Quote: 500 Grains, best I can tell by that picture, that gent obviously SAT on that elephant to kill it. Surely you're not suggesting that 45/70 killed it are you? jorge
Hey, anyone can kill and elephant with a 45-70 if the PH pumps in a few shots from his 458 Lott.
Posts: 18352 | Location: Salt Lake City, Utah USA | Registered: 20 April 2002
How did the oryx look Was he a sniper ? World record sniping is now 2430 meters. This was during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan 50 BMG with Leupold Mark 4 16X40mm LR/T M1. A man walking on a road WOW two shots Imagine those two guys in Africa sitting on a High ground taking trophies a 300 or 500 meters shot is nothing for that team (They are Canadian)
Cheers,
Andr�
Posts: 2293 | Location: The Kingdom of Denmark | Registered: 13 January 2004
I read a post on the Alaska forum that a Guide got ate some from a Brown Bear that he shot close up with a .416 in self defense chasing his clients wounded Bear.The shot finally killed the Bear but the Guide got mauled in the process.A freind of his posted he's changing calibers and if I remember right it's a pre-64 in an undetermined caliber.
What caliber and bullet would you use to stop a mad Bear or Buff close up?
Jayco
Posts: 565 | Location: Central Idaho | Registered: 27 February 2004
The reason that guide was mauled was a 416 Sako push feed that jammed and not the caliber's lack of stopping power. 500 Grains, best I can tell by that picture, that gent obviously SAT on that elephant to kill it. Surely you're not suggesting that 45/70 killed it are you? jorge
Posts: 7149 | Location: Orange Park, Florida. USA | Registered: 22 March 2001
The rifle was a sako 75 push feed which jammed and to answer your question. Quite simply nothing will produce a one shot stop every time if you don't hit the right spot.. Period.
Anyone who's done any amount of hunting can tell you that, so is there a hidden message in your question?
Is that the new, or the old abrahms? I had no problem with the 105mm, .50, and m60. However, in this thread, the Missouri, with 9 16 inch guns, throwing HE volkswagens 20 miles, into a football field is hard to beat.
I did hit a squirrel, at 10 miles, with the 105mm, at Hunter Liget. Best shot I've ever made...however, the taxidermist failed to create an adequate reproduction of the field lion.... S PS: 50 Caliber browning probably spells stop on 99% of the animals that ever walked the planet...
Posts: 1805 | Location: American Athens, Greece | Registered: 24 November 2001
Had a client bring one out a few years ago. Shot an oryx at 300yds. We had a special tripod made for it as the traditional shooting sticks wouldn't work. The customs officials at the airport were wide-eyed and slightly apprehensive when they saw the size of the gun and its bullets!
Posts: 3035 | Location: Tanzania - The Land of Plenty | Registered: 19 September 2003
Watched a blue Wildebeest take a 1000grn .70 cal X type bullet through the chest. Bullet entered right shoulder and lodged in left hip. Rifle used the .50 BMG round necked up to .70 cal ( a real Elmer Kieth dear rifle). Problem was - that was the last we saw of that Wildebeest for three hours. It was still on it's feet when we caught up with it. Took another 1000 grns broadside through both lungs and ran nearly a kilometer!
I somehow don't rate wildebeest as tough as buff. So my all time recomendation? An F.N. FAL. you have 20 rounds that will kill anything and you can place them accurately and quickly. That is why we use it on the elephant culling programmes. Fot buff, a .375 H&H is probably the best bet for a client.
Posts: 3026 | Location: Zimbabwe | Registered: 23 July 2003
The FN fAL is a fine pick but if you have the muzle and the will to carry a M134 then you are god to go. A fine pick for any hunt put it on the Landcruiser and ad a scope
Cheers,
Andr�
Posts: 2293 | Location: The Kingdom of Denmark | Registered: 13 January 2004
Quote: A tiny little hole right on the shoulder and through the heart.
Bwanamich , a tiny, or big hole in the heart does not spell "STOP" , it spells "BLEED"!
Only a bullet in the brain or spine spells "STOP", no matter what size bullet you are shooting from the shoulder!
The case of the PH getting bitten is the best argument, I can think of, for not useing a pushfeed rifle when dangerous game is on the list of things to shoot! If that first shot is not in the brain, or spine, and your rifle goes out of service, you may become a crash dummy for the animal you just shot!
Posts: 14634 | Location: TEXAS | Registered: 08 June 2000
Quote: I'm with Bwanamich, a 22 short in the brain is very effective..a 20MM in the foot is not.
Ray you old dog, you didn't read his post! He said, "A tiny little hole in the HEART spells STOP!" Not in the brain, or spine, and I don't remember anyone saying anything about a hoof. You know that many Buffalo have gone two or three miles after a hit through the heart, with big bullets!
Posts: 14634 | Location: TEXAS | Registered: 08 June 2000
Hi Mac, I wasn't implicating that a bullet through the heart spells stop, I was answering a direct question about the hole in an animal shot with a .50 BMG! I'm quite sure though that if the client had shot the oryx in the brain with it, it would have spelled stop pretty quickly!
I don't know of any buffalo that has gone a few miles with a bullet hole through its heart...please let us know of those you heard
Posts: 3035 | Location: Tanzania - The Land of Plenty | Registered: 19 September 2003
