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The little 6.5x54MS has proved itself a great little penetrator with its 140-160gn@2450.
Do you see the .338win/300gn.Sierra@2450 having that same kind of "magic" on a larger scale?
Are there any other ballistically efficient 300gn pills out there for .338 ?
 
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Bullet construction is of greater value than bullet weight. A classic example of this being the now-obsolete 275 gr. Speer Hot Core in .338, which was notorious for coming apart and not working nearly as well as premium 250 gr. bullets such as the Nosler Partition.

I'd rather load a good 250 gr. bullet such as the Nosler Partition, Swift A-Frame, 230 gr. Winchester Fail-Safe, or 240 gr. North Fork, rather than a 300 gr. Sierra.

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Woodjack,

I'll answer your question...yes Woodleigh makes one available from Huntington's

http://www.huntingtons.com/bullets_woodleigh.html


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Woodjack,

I'll answer your question...yes Woodleigh makes one available from Huntington's

http://www.huntingtons.com/bullets_woodleigh.html



Thanks Mike.....I'll take the Woodleigh over the Sierra as well

As to the original question; the .338 is not a legal caliber for DG and anything else can easily be dispatched with a 250 grain bullet.....WHY????? Why would one detract from the excellent trajectory of the .338 by lowering the velocity using the 300 grain bullet? That 300 grain bullet might shoot thru a moose briscut to anus and you'd not have a deader moose. While the thought is interesting, I can't find a need or a want for more than the common bullets for the .338.

If you do, look to the woodleigh over the Sierra.


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I think one thing folks overlook is performance envelope.

A 250 grn 338 has an SD of .305+ depending on make and is going to travel at about 2675-2725.

There is not much that is going to out penetrate that SD at that velocity...that comination is just about the perfect perfomance enevelope.

some similar ones are

6.5x55 and 140s
270 win and 150s
7x57/280 rem and 160s
30-06 -180s
35 whelen 250s

All of the above combos are 2600ish to 2800ish with high SDs and all have reps of being very effective rounds.

Why...moderate recoil (improves accuracy), high SD fr good penetration, moderate velocity main tains bullet integrity and lack of extreme upset on impact.


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10164 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With Quote
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I have shot Bison, elk and and one Cape Buffalo with the 300 gr. Woodleigh and I was very impressed with it...

In fact today I only use two bullets in my .338, the 210 Nosler for most stuff and the 300 gr. Woodleigh for the big stuff and elk in the timber of Idaho, it will knock them lopsided...

That was the reason I worked with Geoff at Woodleighs in the production of the 350 gr. .375 and 450 gr. 416 bullets, I wanted the same performance in those bigger bores and Geoff was interrested as well.. We felt we were on to something...I received the first 4 boxes of each and tested them in Africa that year...

The PP or RN is very destructive internally on Buffalo and left two holes in the buff I shot with them, I feel they upped the caliber one notch in all three calibers...The 338 to a 375, the 375 to a 416 and so fourth, or so it seemed to me.... I found the PP had the most penetration of the two, but it was so close I wouldn't swear to it, the RN was very destructive and made those bulls shake on the hit..That same year I tested the 400 gr. 416 Nosler and it too was an absolutly excellent bullet BTW..

I shot my best bull elk that scored 389 B&C as he was going south in the thick stuff, the .338 300 gr. Woodleigh RN took him in the last rib and exited behind his ear, he rolled to the bottom of the mountain...Thats a lot of tough muscle and sinue and near 4 ft. of carcass I guess...the exit hole was about 2.5 inches...


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