I recently purchased a Daly 458 WM ( Zastava Mauser 98) via CDNN to my dealer.The price was cheap as is the stock which has an oil finish that was cheaply done.
My question is, of the many stock companies whom makes a factory fit grey/black laminate with floor plate cut out that has a steel cross bolt?

jorgie,

This may not be the exact answer you wanted but McMillan makes a great synthetic stock for that rifle. I've had one for many years and found it perfect.

Mark

Mark thank you for taking the time to reply. I shall keep it in mind in the event I can't find exactly the type I have been looking for.
Are you pleased with your Zastava and which caliber do you own?
I had thought the action would've been a bit slicker. Guess nothing will make it butter smooth other than good old elbow grease.

Zastava an the old Cz are very commin in that when you have oiled them a bit and sat down in front of the tv and repeated them a bit, just do that a little while a few nights in row and the rifle will get better, and a bit of shooting will also help on it.

The McMillian stocks arnt synthetic, but kevlarfiber stocks, and they are very fine.

jorgie'

Mine actually is a Mark X but I think it is basically the same thing as the Zastava. I admit to having it tweak a bit. I had a 3 position safety added, the action slicked up and a Timney trigger installed but it is still the same basic rifle. It is a 458 WM and I really am very fond of it. I cut the barrel to 20" so it is very handy. At 9 pounds with the scope and a mag full of cartridges it is quite portable for a big bore. Mine has always shot well keeping most everything in an inch or just a little larger group. I've used mine for moose, caribou with 350 X and buffalo, elephant with 500 gr solids. I'm pretty impressed overall. I think you'll be very please with it.

Mark

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
jorgie'

Mine actually is a Mark X but I think it is basically the same thing as the Zastava. Mark

Mark, the Mark X is a Zastava action made in Belgrade, Yugoslavia,on equipment bought from FN, and is simply a copy of the FN Mauser action. They are good actions, with a little slicking up, and tweeking! I have two 375 H&H Whitworth African express rifles, with that action, that have never faild me in any way! One of them is in a synthetic stock for Alaska, the other in it's factory wood stock, for Africa.

I also have an Interarms Mark X 458 Whitworth, and another in 375. Both are as slick and reliable as can be, great rifles in every way. A M70 safety is about the only improvement I can think of.

Don't ruin a good rifle with a M70 safety!

Wow, that's the firt time i ever heard anybody bad-mouthing a 70 style safety. What do you recommend Will? jorge

He really didn't mean it really. That FN Supreme 400 type is a cruel joke.

I've ragged on 3-position safeties so much I'm tuckered out. IMO they are slow and dangerous.

The Mod 70 type safety, may not be the best safety, but are certainly an improvement over the Whitworth safety, which only blocks the trigger! I have to agree with Will, in one respect, the mod 70 safety would be improved by being only two possition, where "on" blocked the trigger, and fireing pin, and the "off" let you go! 0.02$ worth!

Will & Mack: I read both your posts so I gather that if the safety were a 2 positon instead of three it would be better? Just trying to learn from those of you who've "been there and done that" a lot more times than I have or ever will. Thanks, jorge

Although I make every effort to disagree with Will ( ), I enthusiastically agree that a 2 position M70 style safety is superior for DG hunting than a 3 pos.

Some unlucky fellows put the M70 safety to the middle position and then bend the trigger trying to get the gun to fire.

Other unfortunate souls inadvertently push the M70 safety to the middle position while stalking, and then the bolt handle gets knocked up a bit. When they raise the rifle to fire at an animal, then the gun will not fire. Not that this also happens on the Rem 700 with the safety that does not lock the bolt.

I would suggest that anyone who cannot learn to manipulate a three position wing safety properly, and with 100% reliability, should not be trusted with anything more complicated than finger paints.

MR, you crack me up....jorge

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
I would suggest that anyone who cannot learn to manipulate a three position wing safety properly, and with 100% reliability, should not be trusted with anything more complicated than finger paints.

Okay, I ragged on you about the shooting gloves, maybe undeservedly, maybe, and trying now to play nice, but you are now resurfacing with the digs. Am I now free to start again?

No, I'll play nice, or at least to the extent I can.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
I would suggest that anyone who cannot learn to manipulate a three position wing safety properly, and with 100% reliability, should not be trusted with anything more complicated than finger paints.

That would be me, thank you very much!

And this is simply following the KISS principle (Keep it Simple, Stupid).

I really can't see the need for the third, inbetween position on a safety. And would in fact say that if a hunter is not able to safely empty his loaded rifle without this third position, then they should not be trusted with anything more complicated than finger paints.

I have to go along with those who prefer the three position safety. Winchester thought well enough of it to put it on the Model 70 for it's entire commercial existance. For years, Remington had their two position trigger safety that also locked the bolt handle. I believe that it took some lawsuits that they lost to convince them that a safety should not require that it be deactivated in order to remove cartridges from the rifle and they no longer have their two position safety doing anything other than locking the sear. Everybody has their preferences but I like being able to remove the cartridges with out deactivationg the safety. Having used Model 70's for years, I have always put the safety in the rear (locking) position and never once failed to take it off safe when attempting a shot.

I seldom disagree with Will or 500grains but in this case my take is very different. I have been using M0d 70's since god was a child and have never had any problem with the 3 position safety on any of them. Of course my experience only pertains to real Mod 70's, those made before 1964. I currently have 6 pre-64's and none of mine will have the problems listed by 500grains. I think those problems are only found on the post 64 models including the CRF models. My Pre-64's will will still fire with the bolt raised about as far as it will go with out the bolt turning. None will fire if you have the safety in the middle position, pull the trigger and then push the safety off as some say can happen with the new models. I normally carry mine with the safety in the most rearward position unless I am following a wounded animal or make the sneak in the last couple of yards to a firing position. I then carry it in the middle position. I don't like to carry a rifle with the safety off at any time if I don't have to. I find the safety comes off the middle position easily with a quick push of my thumb as I mount the rifle to my shoulder.


465H&H

465, I have both pre-64s & modern classics and the safeties are exactly the same. no problems here. jorge

Where guys fall into trouble with the Model 70 safety is when they try to utilize the middle position on the stalk. This middle position is only to be used when unloading or loading the rifle. The factory use to tell you this. The problem with the bolt being lightly lifted can jam the rifle up faster than a double feed in an automatic. It will not allow you to fire or take the safety off if that damn bolt is lifted. You must know your weapon.

While we are on safety's, Is the cocking shroud conversion to two position safety lock the bolt in the safe position? If so one has an unsafe loaded rifle for a short time in order to unload it. I have come to like the safety on the Brno 21/22. It too is on off safety, but I don't think it will block the firing pin from going forward.

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
You must know your weapon.

Just so. Maybe it depends on one's thumb length but with my thumb on the back of the bolt the 3rd position comes off quite well.

If someone chose to use the middle position for the final stalk, it's possible to hold the bolt down with the trigger finger. In any case one should realise that if the safety won't go off, PUSH THE BOLT DOWN.

When things are about to get very interesting and there is no one in front of me I would have no worry with the safety right off. All this is theory, my actual DG experence. . . NIL.

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Originally posted by Pegleg:
Where guys fall into trouble with the Model 70 safety is when they try to utilize the middle position on the stalk. This middle position is only to be used when unloading or loading the rifle. The factory use to tell you this. The problem with the bolt being lightly lifted can jam the rifle up faster than a double feed in an automatic. It will not allow you to fire or take the safety off if that damn bolt is lifted. You must know your weapon.

As I said above that does not happen with Pre-64's. (It's got to the point that it has become one of those urban legends.) I don't have any post 64's so will let some one else comment on that.

465H&H