A big thank you to Saeed

11 January 2006, 22:56

TerryR

Ditto

I would add:I have noticed an undercurrent over the years that is particulerly strong now; a feeling of displeasure, even outrage, on the part of some participants, that outfitters, PHs, writers or others who make a living, or at least a buck, in the African hunting business are active participants here. The feeling seems to be that they should not be allowed to advertize their services or prospect for customers on this forum. To those who hold that feeling I say "If you want to make up the guest list you better pay for the party". This is Saeed's party. He has the right to invite whomever he wants. You don't have to converse with all the guests, but you shouldn't make a scene just because someone is here who wouldn't be on your guest list. In short quit attacking people for doing what Saeed has invited them to do. Either accept his rules or find another party. I'm tired of seeing people being driven off the forum just because some here are jealous over the fact that they can make a buck at something the rest of us pay for. And I'm not referring to Ray.

TerryR

11 January 2006, 23:46

patrkyhntr

I concur with the above, and would like to add that we post here because Saeed has been gracious enough to put this board up. He is our host, and I am personally galled by some who are downright insulting to him, and go way beyond any "search for the truth." It would not surprise me if he at some point would throw up his hands and say, "I've had enough." Unfortunately, I suspect that is just what would please some of these people the most, and I hope he doesn't do it.

What we need is a code of conduct, violation of which would result in the termination of the poster's privileges, period. I hope it comes to that before the AR board dies due to the cancer that is here now.

11 January 2006, 23:51

Mitchell Attlewood

I also agree. Even with some of the rediculous threads I've beeen involved with. Saeed has remained a gracious host.

I think we could all use a little "mellowing out"

Saeed I nominate you for the Platinum 45-70 Award for patience

-- just making light

11 January 2006, 23:59

Jaco Human

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cats:
I wish to take the opportunity to offer my thanks to Saeed for making AR possible.

That was long overdue.

Saeed,

Thank you for being such a galant host. You are a good person with a heart of gold. You have also proven that if you are someone's friend you will stick with him through thick and thin. That is a rare quality in today's world.

You are a true gentleman.

12 January 2006, 00:07

retreever

I may be an idealist. But the generosity Saeed has given to us here on AR is more then commendable... Saeed many kudos...

But the name calling and rudeness is getting like a cancer consuming individuals.. Where did civility and manners go???

Mike

12 January 2006, 00:22

Frank Martinez

quote:
Where did civility and manners go??? Mad

Good point Michael. A little kindness goes a long way. And knowing When to offer thanks will too.

I know Saeed knows this as he shows the example daily.
Frank

12 January 2006, 00:30

Riaan

Cats, thanks for taking the initiative for starting a collective thank you. As my colleague Jaco said, itâ€™s been long overdue.

Saeed, thanks for your willingness to sponsor the worldâ€™s greatest hunting & gun forum. Thanks also for your dedication to liberty and freedom of speech. The product is mostly educational, frequently inspirational, regularly factual, often hilarious, and now and then just plain rude & stupid.

May AR grow from strength to strength, may you be blessed, and may those that prefer to fill their lives with tiny little trivialities be content in their ever-darn unhappiness

12 January 2006, 00:53

dogcat

Agreed - a high five and props to Saeed. I appreciate the forum.

12 January 2006, 01:02

David Culpepper

I also wish to give my thanks to Saeed. I learned a lot on AR before going on my first African Safari. Most of the members of AR have a lot of good valuable information to share and this board make that possible.

12 January 2006, 01:14

Tembo

I also would like to thank Saeed. I have learned a great deal on these forums. Thankfully, there are only a handful of rotten eggs that like to stir up trouble. We all know who they are. Thanks again Saeed!!

23 January 2006, 21:51

jorge

quote:
Originally posted by Tembo:
Thankfully, there are only a handful of rotten eggs that like to stir up trouble. We all know who they are.

Tembo: Maybe you do or maybe you don't know this but the "rotten eggs" you speak of are still very much with us under different names of course. Now I realize it is practically impossible for Saeed to counter those rotten eggs that change their log in IDs, but rotten eggs stink and sooner or later you'll smell them out. jorge

23 January 2006, 22:13

wihntr

I also concur in my thanks to Saeed.

23 January 2006, 22:30

M16

Thanks very much for the great forum Saeed!

I have to agree with Jorge though (imagine that

). Some of the ones on this exact thread are the one who smell like rotten eggs. Maybe the smell is coming from their brown noses!

23 January 2006, 22:47

Balla Balla

Cats, well said ....

The reason there are SOME (small amount) of detractors is because they have no interest in talking about hunting the outdoors and having a laugh at themselves as well. Their sole purpose in life is to be like spoilt children and (try unsuccessfully) to disrupt adults whom want to help one another where humanly possible.

Also another reason for the detractors is because they try the age old technique of divide and conquor, which will not work as your guests are to clued up to that and the forum is #1 and growing by the day, and when something becomes so popular some will always try to take you down.

Saeed and the moderators,

You guys have created a worldwide respected Hunting & Outdoors Wildlife Forum for the valued AR guests, may you continue to have all the success in the world in this endevour

Cheers

Peter ( languishing away in the land downunder )

Monday, January 23, 2006 / 1 US Dollar = 96,308.6 Zimbabwe Dollar

23 January 2006, 23:04

zimbabwe

I first came to this forum looking for loads for an 8x60RS Otto Geyger double rifle. After browseing around a while I joined the forum. Primarily because I love African hunting and Guns. I truly appreciate Saeed's gift of this forum as I have probably hunted my last time in Africa, It's priced out of my range barring a miracle. I can thru this forum continue to remember the good times and dream good dreams thru others adventures. All this is courtesy of an anonymous (to me) person known as Saeed in some far away country. It's a gift I never expected to get from someone I don't know. All I can say is thanks.

23 January 2006, 23:26

sheephunter

quote:
Originally posted by retreever:
I may be an idealist. But the generosity Saeed has given to us here on AR is more then commendable... Saeed many kudos...

But the name calling and rudeness is getting like a cancer consuming individuals.. Where did civility and manners go???

Mike

Mike, I think you said it best.
I believe the vast majority agrees with you.
Further I believe 100% agree with it if they think.

That being said, what some are trying to say is : keep it that way.

Never mind that other members have a different opinion about this forum.
They like to see it as a beautiful book of pictures and successes. No warts, no honesty or better said ,reality.

These members are of course not wrong.They outline what they like and how they use the forum.They use the forum for entertainment and beauty.

Others, including myself , do the same,but also use it for education.

If education thru this forum is in the picture,we have to have open discussions as well as the ability to characterize things the way we see it, introduce evidence to correct what was promulgated etc

All that sometimes appear to be discord,but in my humble opinion, I dont know another way.

Allow free contributions without censorship
The result will be that an interested hunter can fathom things beyond advertising.

I believe Saeed has done this for the most,and we all applaud him for his gracious benevolent leadership,his tolerance.

Disagreeing or questioning Saeed or his opinions, in no way signifies that a member is not grateful to him or his creation - this forum.

23 January 2006, 23:27

trapntrav

I agree with cats as well, I say... troll

24 January 2006, 00:19

almostacowboy

quote:
Originally posted by TerryR:
Ditto

(edited) He has the right to invite whomever he wants.
TerryR

OH, THANK GOD! Finally! Someone who uses "whom" correctly!

Dave

24 January 2006, 00:21

DanEP

Thank you Saeed -- I concur with Cats, and also extend my appreciation for your hospitality.

Thank you Cats -- that was a very gracious act.

Dan

24 January 2006, 00:28

Die Ou Jagter

I just want to say thanks Saeed for allowing me to enter your on line home. I would hope I have acted in a maner befitting a guest in your home.

24 January 2006, 00:55

Tembo

quote:
Originally posted by jorge:
quote:
Originally posted by Tembo:
Thankfully, there are only a handful of rotten eggs that like to stir up trouble. We all know who they are.

Tembo: Maybe you do or maybe you don't know this but the "rotten eggs" you speak of are still very much with us under different names of course. Now I realize it is practically impossible for Saeed to counter those rotten eggs that change their log in IDs, but rotten eggs stink and sooner or later you'll smell them out. jorge

Jorge, I am well aware who the rotton egs are here, as is everyone else. It ain't hard to figure out.

24 January 2006, 13:52

Marterius

Just a thought in general, not aimed at anyone in particular: If we really want to show Saeed how much we appreciate what he has done for us by creating AR, I suggest that the first step in doing so is to uphold the same manners in our posts, as we would have done if we were talking in public in a big room full of more or less complete strangers. The second thing we should do is ignoring those who don't. Actually, I think Saeed has the right to expect this from us, whether we appreciate what he has done for us or not.

Regards,
Martin

24 January 2006, 14:48

Slim_Zippy

Saeed,

Thank you for creating such a great place for hunting and shooting discussions.

John

24 January 2006, 16:01

mouse93

Gentlemen...the words that marks the beginnings of Saeds posts - when someone regard you as gentleman - we should be one (Copyright 1987 Larry G. Evans):

Thou Shalt Not Criticize or Complain.
A person with good manners is above criticizing others or complaining about circumstances. Negativity is any form is to be avoided. If you hear gossip, don't join in, be indifferent to it. If you disagree with others, do so respectfully. Don't verbally attack or condemn them. You may win the argument, but lose a valued friend.

Thou Shalt Not Embarrass Others.
Treat others as you would like to be treated, and think of how you can put them at ease. The feelings of other people can be as fragile as fine crystal. Never demean anyone with rude jokes or an unwelcome nickname. Be considerate. It's always good manners to think of others first.

Thou Shalt Act and Look Your Best.
A gracious friend is never ruffled. Be a calming, happy influence in any stressful situation and maintain your composure. See humor whenever possible. Master self-control and have empathy for others. Always act your best with courtesy and politeness. Savor the moments when good friends, good conversation and good manners bring about the best life has to offer.

...no offence please

24 January 2006, 21:19

llamapacker

Saeed, thank you very much for AR.

This is a wonderful site that I have been priveledged to utilize for my education and enjoyment for quite some time now.

I look forward to my visits to this site, and will continue to post when I can contribute meaningfully in the future.

Thanks again,

Bill

25 January 2006, 03:38

Rich Elliott

In my most formal Amharic... Amasa Aginalo, Ato Saeed.

Rich Elliott

25 January 2006, 12:07

asdf

Actually, I'm rather upset with Saeed. I mean, think about all the hours I've spent reading these forums, discussing familiar and unfamiliar subjects; when I could have been playing with my kids, or chasing skirts, or watching TV, or who knows what.

Your generosity is noted Saeed; thank you.

Karl

25 January 2006, 12:15

shakari

Asante Sana Bwana Saeed.......

25 January 2006, 19:12

MacD37

I don't know about the sencerity of some of these posts, but in any event, they beat heck out of what has been posted in the last month or two!

I've always said this is the best web-site on the internet for the greatest combined knowledge available anywhere! For the most part, it is a free wheeling forums group, with few tethers to hold you back. Sure the banter gets a little heated at times, but that is to be expected, with a group this big, and from the world over. Sometimes, and I would say, most times, the disagreements are because of misunderstandings, because of cultural differences, and in MY case, not haveing a great command of the written word.

In most cases, with even VERY heated disagreements, Saeed doesn't interfere, but leaves it to the combatants to settle the dust. For that I thank Saeed,for this web-site, and the freedom to use it to the best advantage of all. People offering hunts, and other things here is one of the best things about this site, and I see no reason to restrict that at all! In Fact, the place would be far worse off without those people!

Thanks Saeed!

26 January 2006, 05:59

Mickey1

Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful.
-Ann Landers

Or your 'cats' either.

26 January 2006, 06:17

kudude

I would also like to echo the sentiments above, particularly those of Marterius, to be gentlemanly in our posts and ignore those who are not.

Thank you very much, Saeed.

Kudude

26 January 2006, 18:16

phurley5

To Saeed I say a big "ASANTE" for AR. I don't know how I could make a day without talking to you "AR IDIOTS". I learn more each day.

Good shooting.

27 January 2006, 01:24

DanEP

quote:
Originally posted by mouse93:
Gentlemen...the words that marks the beginnings of Saeds posts - when someone regard you as gentleman - we should be one (Copyright 1987 Larry G. Evans):

Thou Shalt Not Criticize or Complain.
A person with good manners is above criticizing others or complaining about circumstances. Negativity is any form is to be avoided. If you hear gossip, don't join in, be indifferent to it. If you disagree with others, do so respectfully. Don't verbally attack or condemn them. You may win the argument, but lose a valued friend.

Thou Shalt Not Embarrass Others.
Treat others as you would like to be treated, and think of how you can put them at ease. The feelings of other people can be as fragile as fine crystal. Never demean anyone with rude jokes or an unwelcome nickname. Be considerate. It's always good manners to think of others first.

Thou Shalt Act and Look Your Best.
A gracious friend is never ruffled. Be a calming, happy influence in any stressful situation and maintain your composure. See humor whenever possible. Master self-control and have empathy for others. Always act your best with courtesy and politeness. Savor the moments when good friends, good conversation and good manners bring about the best life has to offer.

...no offence please

Sir,

I am very impressed with these standards. I will try to adhere to them, will save them and remind myself of them daily. But not yet (to paraphrase St. Augustine of Hippo) -- not before I get in a last joke.

It strikes me that, while good for one's own standards to apply to one's self, it is not something to be expected of other people, or one could get quite lonely.

These will be hard to apply in a dispute between opposing sides in a parliamentary setting -- say on an issue in a gun club, or other political situation.

I might add an item: not only as fragile as fine crystal, but as valuable.

Dan