As of now, its closed from what I hear - leaving Sunday.... Everyone is working overtime on this, but no news.

Hopefully someone there now can weigh in

Aside from the daisy cutters previously mentioned how about a total embargo on those idiotic bastards? If no one showed up maybe they wouldn't act so high and mighty. Just go somewhere else till the "regime" gets hurt in the pocket book. Until then there will be no change that I am sure of

Gunslinger
I thought the same thing for a while.
But Uncle Bob has his money & doesn't care whether another hunter shows up or not.
The land grabbers are about greed & power, they don't care if we come or not because they are too stupid to even run a farm let alone a hunting concession.
The locals that WORK in the safari industry need us.
The owners & P.H.'s need us.
By not going, the only people hurt are the ones I deal with in the safari industry & I happen to like them!
As much as I dislike whats going on in Zim., I just can't abandon those that are still trying to survive in a very hostile political enviroment.
That's my 2 cents worth.

with respect to the article on Savuli and the local community demanding a share, this is quite frankly comedic in how far off the mark it is. The local community, under Chief Ziki, were actually in partnership with Forever African Safaris on a sable project and under the new indigenisation laws Chief Ziki was to be the partner which effectively meant that Savuli would have operated as a community based project.....

The problems that the new "laws" have caused in the Save Conservancy are being discussed in several threads, but I have not seen any mention of their effect, if any, on the Bubye Valley Conservancy (f/k/a LEMCO).

Anyone heard anything about indigenisation in the BVC?

Thanks,

Richard

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
Aside from the daisy cutters previously mentioned how about a total embargo on those idiotic bastards? If no one showed up maybe they wouldn't act so high and mighty. Just go somewhere else till the "regime" gets hurt in the pocket book. Until then there will be no change that I am sure of

The problem there is that China and the ANC run SA Government will bail them [Mugabe's lot] out again and again. Then the Nordic countries together with some of the UN block "Ahh shame," mob, will help out with some more handouts. Yup, them "daisy cutters" are a best bet and long overdue.

Not familiar with the "daisy cutters"term.
Please explain.

Bwana cecil - A daisy cutter is a large bomb that the US used in Vietnam. It was used to clear a large area of jungle to make an instant landing area for helicopters. They might have been used in Iraq as well.

I trust that this will explain, there are several variations of the name and include the newer types.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...g4&feature=fvwp&NR=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82

Thanks.
I think I want a couple myself.
Does Midway or Cabelas carry them?

They are very effective...

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Gunslinger
I thought the same thing for a while.
But Uncle Bob has his money & doesn't care whether another hunter shows up or not.
The land grabbers are about greed & power, they don't care if we come or not because they are too stupid to even run a farm let alone a hunting concession.
The locals that WORK in the safari industry need us.
The owners & P.H.'s need us.
By not going, the only people hurt are the ones I deal with in the safari industry & I happen to like them!
As much as I dislike whats going on in Zim., I just can't abandon those that are still trying to survive in a very hostile political enviroment.
That's my 2 cents worth.

I don't understand people continuing to go to Zim knowing their very presence and cash is propping up the madman-in-chief. The argument that you don't want to abandon good folks merely trying to survive is facetious. I tend to think it's a self-serving rationalization that allows you to take advantage of a pathetic situation with a clean conscience.
I have my flame-suit on...go ahead and blast away if you must....but understand...in the late 70's I had RHODESIAN camo. on, doing what I could to TRY to prevent this disaster.
That's my opinion, and since I'm not living in Bob Mugab's worker's paradise...I can and will express it. Your's may be different, and that's OK.. but thats mine.

Don
No flame suit needed.
I respect your point of veiw & thank you for defense of Rhodesia. Wish it was still Rhodisia, but it's not & never will be again.
I chose an outfitter to hunt with, not a country to hunt in.
You've very much misjudged me.
As far as "taking advantage of a pathetic situation", I'm trying to figure out how I got an advantage on anything?
But my consious is clean.
I know that some of the money spent went to govt. fees, but as I stated, "Uncle Bob has his money"(diamond mines & foreign aid) & wherever I go I'm going to have to pay that.
I hired good people to do a very good job, which allows them to survive in a hostile enviroment & have already hired them again for another safari.(if they survive business wise)
Don, I wish you lived close by, I would buy you a good meal & ask you about your experiences in Rhodesia & what it was like before mugabe took over.
A great country was ruined & a lot of fine people were left to try & make the best of a bad situation or simply move on to something better, as you have.
If the same happened right here in America, I would hope & pray that others would not abandon us in our efforts to make a living simply because of a tyranical govt.

Bwana Cecil, HEAR HEAR!

But hear this, it is all over, here in SA and in the rest of Africa, it is in the USA, South of the USA, in fact where-ever there are won't works, don't works and can't works. According to them, rotten colonial settlers pitched-up and stole everything and therefore those same damn rotten colonialists owe them life together with all the trappings that they covetously crave.
Of course there are a few other incidents in Mugabe's life that have caused his dislike of white Rhodesians. Like the morning of November 23rd, 1977, when Rich Brand lined his Hawker Hunter up on Mugabe's house in Chimoio, and hosed it with his four 30mm cannons. It is a pity that the bastard was not at home.

Don Edwards, you must not have a hunt booked this year do you? Either that or you have enough money you can throw a pile of money away. As what I consider an average joe I have been saving my pennies for years to do tha hunt I am doing in less than 2 weeks. For one I don't want to loose the amount I have into this hunt and on the other side of things I have eben waiting for many , many years to do my dream hunt. I AM GOING!!!! I am also going to make it the best I can while I am there although plans have changed and it is not what I originally signed up for. i will be missing out on a few of my dreams by these changes and may never experience what I could have but I am going and I am going to enjoy it.