Stupidity is always the cause of traumatic events.

Today we still have brainless human beings roaming amongst us.

Never forget… these folks breed faster than they can be educated. So, there will never be a shortage of Darwin awards recipients.

I used to have that entire film on VHS. It was very interesting. I tend to think this is real.

It looks fake to me. Why would the guy be filmed getting out of his car?? Why would someone continue to film the guy being eaten,…then cut away to his children for dramatic effect??

I may be wrong, but I think it is fake.

Oh by the way,…I do believe there are plenty of people stupid enough to get themselves eaten by lions in front of their family. I just think the film looks bogus.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I used to have that entire film on VHS. It was very interesting. I tend to think this is real.

I don't blame you Larry for thinking it is real!

I have seen enough people do utterly stupid things that defy any logic!

Not a lot of blood and not any disjointing (if that is a word), so it doesn't seem legit to me. But if it is, the only thing I can say is you can't fix stupid.

oh, i don't know about that. if it's for real, those lions certainly fixed him...

Scrip will probably (hopefully) back me up on this, but in the late 70's- early 80's there were a lot of Taiwanese tourists coming to South Africa.

A lot of them visited the Lion Park just north of Johannesburg, where you could drive through a large enclosure with "real, wild lions" and see them "in their natural habitat".

A lot of these guys used to go apesh1t and get out of the cars to hug the lions. Not surprisingly a lot of them got injured.

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Originally posted by Bren7X64:
Scrip will probably (hopefully) back me up on this, but in the late 70's- early 80's there were a lot of Taiwanese tourists coming to South Africa.

A lot of them visited the Lion Park just north of Johannesburg, where you could drive through a large enclosure with "real, wild lions" and see them "in their natural habitat".

A lot of these guys used to go apesh1t and get out of the cars to hug the lions. Not surprisingly a lot of them got injured.

One was killed - Lots of jokes came out after that.

The clip is most probably fabricated, but it happens and it is not just foreign visitors, it is RSA citizens as well that are just as dumb as a brick. We regularly read of someone that was injured by wild animals and 99% of the time the people did not follow orders or did not read the signs.

I've seen that clip before some years ago & IIRC, the story was he was a French or Swiss tourist in (I think) the KNP & that it is genuine.

Could be wrong though.

Lavaca

Dismemberment would be more likely to begin later & most likely start at the spine just below the ribs.

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Originally posted by Bren7X64:
Scrip will probably (hopefully) back me up on this, but in the late 70's- early 80's there were a lot of Taiwanese tourists coming to South Africa.

A lot of them visited the Lion Park just north of Johannesburg, where you could drive through a large enclosure with "real, wild lions" and see them "in their natural habitat".

A lot of these guys used to go apeshit and get out of the cars to hug the lions. Not surprisingly a lot of them got injured.

One of them got out the vehicle, went over to the lions, turned his back on the lions to face the mob with the cameras, crouched for a pose, and that is all she wrote. His shoes and feet made the trip home in a medical organ box.

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Originally posted by shakari:
I've seen that clip before some years ago & IIRC, the story was he was a French or Swiss tourist in (I think) the KNP & that it is genuine.

Could be wrong though.

Lavaca

Dismemberment would be more likely to begin later & most likely start at the spine just below the ribs.

In that clip, the victim suddenly lifts his head, you might find that was when his upper abdomen was being opened.

One Lion to another "What are we having for supper tonight?"

"Chinese take-away" came the answer.

I saw this clip a couple of years ago.
Very questionnable.
What for me was the most fishy were the cars.
The renault 4 (R4) was very popular, just as its predecessor the 2CV but I doubt it was popular abroad. The other car is a R6 not popular at all, let alone abroad.
If someone can study the vegetation. I suspect that this film was made in France, Belgium, Italy or Spain.
boggus for sure, nobody would act as these actors do.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jbderunz:
I saw this clip a couple of years ago.
Very questionnable.
What for me was the most fishy were the cars.
The renault 4 (R4) was very popular, just as its predecessor the 2CV but I doubt it was popular abroad. The other car is a R6 not popular at all, let alone abroad.

I dunno so much, my ex-wife had just such a jalopy, and there are still the odd ones blowing smoke out the exhaust. The Rhodesians might tell that there were a number there.

Not uncommon for car manufacturers to dump their less popular/underpowered models on the African continent in the old days.

Even Jeep restricted Africa to the straight 6 engine Wagoneers because they couldn't sell them elsewhere & if someone wanted the 5.9 litre V8, it had to be special/private import & then was only available in LHD.

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then was only available in LHD.

You mean CORRECT hand drive--

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

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then was only available in LHD.

You mean CORRECT hand drive--

Being a Brit living in Portugal, the jury is still out on that one!

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:
It looks fake to me. Why would the guy be filmed getting out of his car?? Why would someone continue to film the guy being eaten,…then cut away to his children for dramatic effect??

I may be wrong, but I think it is fake.

TBD, I think a lot of people simply can't believe their own eyes when they see something so alarming! I see nothing in that film that would indicate a phony film.

This film was pieced together with the film from the other car, and the film from the victim's camera, likely for a law suit against the insurance company! IMO nothing there to indicate photo-shop!

............Opinions vary, however!

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
I saw this clip a couple of years ago.
Very questionnable.
What for me was the most fishy were the cars.
The renault 4 (R4) was very popular, just as its predecessor the 2CV but I doubt it was popular abroad. The other car is a R6 not popular at all, let alone abroad.
If someone can study the vegetation. I suspect that this film was made in France, Belgium, Italy or Spain.
boggus for sure, nobody would act as these actors do.

I recall this clip from the movie many years ago and it was common cause that it was genuine, long before video editing etc.

On the Renault 4 - there were simply thousands in Africa, in Rhodesia they were wildly popular and were the basis of the biggest taxi firm - Rixi.I owned one, and I am not THAT old yet. Bloody good car BTW.

From snopes link above:

Greetings. I'm a reporter who took a couple of hours looking for reasons to believe/disbelieve the "Belgian man attacked by lions" film. It fooled me totally on first viewing, but since then I've come around. The film is almost certainly fake, and the only thing left is some kind of direct confirmation from people involved in staging it back in the 1970s. Reasons: 1) Start with the filmmaker, Antonio Climati, a "mondo" director who has made other fakes in the past. 2) Look at the names of the "characters" in this little scene. The victim's first name is spelled Pit and Pitt in different credits, and: Durnet, Dernitsch, and Dernitz. As a (non-native) Dutch speaker, I can tell you the name Pit and Pitt aren't normal. Nor are any of the versions of the last name (although Doenitz is known as the Nazi officer). 3) More on names. The park is called "Wallassee" and sometimes it's claimed to be in Angola, sometimes in Namibia. Well, as far as I can see, the only "Wallassee" known to man is a neighborhood in the British city of Liverpool(?). Anyhow, nothing resembling that name is on lists of parks in Angola or Namibia. 4) More on names: The names of his wife and apparently kids are also given, at least in some versions: Carol (wife) and Graham and Kim. Why do none of the family's names recur anywhere else on the Internet except for in this film in its many incarnations? 5) The internal inconsistencies and logic suggesting the film is bogus are there for all to see. Logic includes: a) why would anybody keep filming an attack AND cutting away to the victim's families? Either one is strange, but both together are crazy. Unless you consider cinematic motives. b) you never actually see clearly the man being bitten _ but lots of shots of lions eating meat of which the origin is unclear. c) lions don't attack that way. d) the wife's acting in the opening scene is melodramatic, cartoonesque. Unless you consider cinematic motives. e) it's awfully convenient that the cavalry arrives just a little too late, from the one angle where they can ride right up to the scene of the slaughter. Unless you consider cinematic motives. f) why does the lioness grab the camera when being scared off? Surely she'd take a leg instead. If you consider cinematic motives, you might think they were playing around filming shots for a long time and happened to get that cute one. It was too irresistable to use as a "fitting end" to this moral lesson. g) Why does nobody have guns on an African safari in 1970s? Notably the black man with the yellow shirt, who is presumably a guide. h) Why does everything take place just in front of an unmanned jeep? Where are the people who were in the jeep? I recommend watching that jeep for general placement problems. Internal inconsistencies include: a) the white man in the yellow shirt changes sides of his car halfway through b) camera angles don't match up. And there are a lot more of them than you would expect from two or even three cameras on a single event. c) the supposed "last shot" made by the victim is low and constant. This is clearly NOT shot by a man who is in motion, walking and crouching, as when he is tackled by the lion. If the voiceover/filmmaker is being misleading about that _ okay, OBVIOUSLY lying about it _ why believe the rest? To me, this is the clincher. d) the film is cut or obscured a moment before the attack begins. Highly suspicious. e) the "Wife" is wearing a black shirt at the start and a brown shirt at the finish. f) other people in the cars in the various shots don't match up. Watch it yourself carefully for many details. Just to name one, the guy with the khaki shirt and khaki hat changes to a blue shirt at the end. Who is the black-haired girl in the blue shirt near the end? Why is there yet another woman on hand to help the grief-stricken "wife" into the car at the end? Why did the filmer start filming her again in her moment of grief? It's all too far-fetched unless you consider cinematic motives... g) whatever the big thing (an elephant's leg? a log?) that is to the right of the lioness in the "victim's film", it disappears in later shots. h) the lions feasting on the corpse/mannequin are too far to the left in the "munching" scenes_ they were directly in front of the unmanned jeep when they are scattered by the arriving jeep. There are lots of these "placement" problems if you watch carefully. i) I would add that the corspe is shown being torn apart in some scenes, but pretty much whole when the calvary arrives. As an added bonus, there's an intriguing fragment of text floating around on the net _ I know it's non-verifiable, but I include it as relevant to the discussion: "Fake or real? The directors history is full of fakes, lions can be tame, etc. Go ask Carol Dernitz." ... "Yeap, that was a fake I actualy was there with my buddy Bnoxy who was my driver and shoecleaner (bytheway). Some proffessional studio (hm, what was their name ) was making that movie whole week." *Whatever* I would hold out the possibility that some parts of this film are "real" and were supplemented by staged scenes later. But I wouldn't even bother to guess which. Hope this reassures anybody out there who was losing sleep over this film, Regards, Toby Sterling