Putting the highfence/stocked animal good/bad debate aside, what species are actually stocked? I'm assuming nyala, kudu, waterbuck buff and zebra. Are there others? Are warthog or bushpig stocked? How about the little guys like bushbuck, duiker, vaal rhebuck ect.? Just curious.

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Assuming you are speaking of RSA.. Kudu, waterbuck, eland, gemsbok, buff would all be up there for the running of taking the top spot..

Think of them as baseball cards for Boer farmers..

It is my understanding that warthog and bushpig are not stocked as they can easly dig under the fences in a heart beat. Then the little guys like steenbok and duiker can use the warthog holes to go under as well so they are not commonly stocked as well. I could be wrong but this is what several people in RSA have told me.

Anything you want - it just takes money!

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My friends in Namibia would sell off excess gemsbok, kudu, or zebra in times of drought but generally did not get rid of a lot for hunting purposes.

wow.

lets try it from the other end. is there anything that is definately NOT stocked? impala?

There would be no point in stocking Warthog. With their reproduction rates I doubt stocking is needed and they can escape. High fence does not mean hog proof fence.

Driving down back roads (public roads) we saw numerous of the small guys (mostly Duiker) scoot under a fence, run across the road into farmers fields.

Bushbuck is the only animal I hunted free range for in South Africa. If there is agricultural land nearby chances are they have Bushbuck that you can hunt free range.

Some places do have breeding herds and are of adequate size to make restocking unnecessary, but for reasons of genetics I would imagine that they do trade stock at times.

I just can't see the less expensive animals being worth the effort involved in transporting them.

FWIW, everywhere I went I saw a lot of ewes/cows and a complete age range. If I had only seen mature rams/bulls I would have known that those animals were strictly put and take.

Warthog, Bushpig, Steenbuck, Duiker (bushbuck) and the other small ones are animals that go under the fence.
Farmers ave to buy most other animals once in a while for fresh blood, but there is a big diffrence between "put and take" and game management.

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Originally posted by Pennsyltucky:
wow.

lets try it from the other end. is there anything that is definately NOT stocked? impala?

Vaal rhebok doesn't go hand in hand with farming, for sure. I think that's one of the few species they haven't been succesful with..

Assuming you're talking RSA... For an area to be hunted year round and/or for it to hold dangerous game, it has to be game fenced by law and the game farmer can buy pretty much any species he wants if he goes to the right game auctions and is willing to pay the right money.

It should be noted that an awful lot of the larger areas rarely have to conduct introductions because they manage their game populations correctly.

I know some areas that have fantastic game populations but haven't done an introduction, other than an occasional new species introduction such as black rhino for years.

I have personally seen kudu bulls easily leaping over the fences which were over 10 feet high. In the limpopo area they are considered free ranging, and come and go as they please.

The other animal I have heard leaps high fences that amazed me is Eland. Kudu and Eland jumping fences is a big loss.

It's amazing to see an eland clear a 2 metre fence..... you'd think they would take a run at it but they don't. The walk right up to the fence, almost sit like a dog before launching themselves over it..... and they don't just clear it, they clear it with relative ease.

"air eland." thats a who'd a thunk it for sure.

assuming they're in good habitat, would the kudu, eland ect. be jumping and leaving because of the rut and the scent of estrous cows or it is just one of those things?

I don't think anyone's ever asked 'em!

My guess is they do it for all kinds of reasons and probably often, just because they can.

Sorry I can't give you a more informed opinion but I doubt anyone has done much meaningful research on the subject......

amazing how enjoyable it can be to have no idea why something most of us dedicate our free and not so free time pursuing does what it does, eh?

Yup...... and even more so with species such as elephant!

"i dont know why its stomping the life out of me, i just know it is!"

There's always some interreaction going on with any group of herd animals but always a LOT going on with elephants...... the trick is to spend enough time just watching them and sussing out why they do what they do..... even when it comes to stamping.

As mentioned earlier, there is a great deal of difference between stocking a relatively large area to create a viable reproducing population and stocking a small area for put-and-take hunting.

To my knowledge all of the animals located on the farm in southern Namibia where I hunted fall into the category of reproducing populations. Some of them were stocked, some are indiginous, and some which are indiginous have been supplemented with stocked animals to achieve a healthy breeding population.

This farm had a high-fenced area of approximately 50,000 acres and an adjacent low-fence cattle grazing area of approximately 65,000 acres. The game commonly found on the low fence area included warthog, kudu, eland, springbok, gemsbok, ostrich, baboon, and jackal. in addition to those species, animals found only on the game-only high-fenced area included both species of wildebeest, red hartebeest, giraffe, plains zebra, and blesbok. This is an exceedingly dry area where impala do poorly and the various antelope associated with swamp and water cannot survive.

A smaller parcel in mountains 75 km away had kudu, klipspringer, leopard, and mountain zebra, all of which were indiginous unstocked populations.

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Originally posted by Pennsyltucky:
"air eland." thats a who'd a thunk it for sure.

assuming they're in good habitat, would the kudu, eland ect. be jumping and leaving because of the rut and the scent of estrous cows or it is just one of those things?

It just probably the same addage for those of us that have been around cattle, the grass is all ways greener on the other side of the fence.

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Originally posted by David Culpepper:

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Originally posted by Pennsyltucky:
"air eland." thats a who'd a thunk it for sure.

assuming they're in good habitat, would the kudu, eland ect. be jumping and leaving because of the rut and the scent of estrous cows or it is just one of those things?

It just probably the same addage for those of us that have been around cattle, the grass is all ways greener on the other side of the fence.

Boy ain't that the dam truth!!!

I can tell you that indeed Eland can jump high fence - and it causes paralysis if the shutter finger! I watched an eland jump a fence in RSA at the end of April, it took him three tries though, and I was so engrossed watching him that I got not one picture....and he bent the fence up pretty good! I did however get pix of two Impala butting heads through a fence and let us approach within 50 yards in the Bakkie before they realized we were there..Ain't love grand?



One location we hunted had a "fledgling" herd of Sable. They were "restocking" if that's the term, and did not have a population that could be considered huntable yet.

One other area had some lions that were in a separate fenced area from most of the PG Interestng problem with keeping huntable lions around. Seems the math to feed them to maturity, presumably PG, takes more than the current market value of the trophy. Maybe another thread with folks more knowledgable than me can explore that.

Is anyone in RSA or Namibia stocking lesser kudu?

Lesser kudu are EXTREMELY striking to me, and I would love to hunt one some day, but seems like opportunities are a little thin on the ground

Bake

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Originally posted by bakerb:
Is anyone in RSA or Namibia stocking lesser kudu?

Lesser kudu are EXTREMELY striking to me, and I would love to hunt one some day, but seems like opportunities are a little thin on the ground

Bake

The only places I know they're available is on a 21 day hunt in Tanzania and in Uganda where they're available for a trophy fee (with us) for US$1800.

We only have very limited quota though and are available strictly on a first come first served basis.

Details here http://www.kuduland.com/hunting-in-uganda.htm and more comprehensive details by emailing me at shakari3@mweb.co.za.

It's a tough hunt though. If you like the idea of hunting Africa the old way as it was in the 40s and 50s or even earlier then you'll love it.

++++ Uganda is wonderful I loved every min of it

Are they not available in Ethiopia anymore?

Bake

I've never hunted Ethiopia but a quick check tells me they can be hunted there.... however, I've no idea how much for or what areas etc.

A lot of hunting takes place on ranches that are not high fenced but are also sheep and cattle ranches.
They have 4' to 4'6" fences.
On these ranches most animals can go either over fences, through or under and possession is retained by some of them not being wanderers to start with (eg black wildebeest) and with co-operation from neighbours (conservancies sometimes) and the acceptance that some are just free-roaming.
Some of these ranches are very big too.

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Originally posted by skeetshot:
I have personally seen kudu bulls easily leaping over the fences which were over 10 feet high. In the limpopo area they are considered free ranging, and come and go as they please.

10 feet???

2 meter's as Steve said I can see but 10 feet???

I know many ranches in RSA are now stalking Iguanapotomus

Justin wins Biggest liar on AR award
Way to go new member has beat out all the old guys already

Justin wins Biggest liar on AR award


For his sins, give him access only to the Political Forum for a month.

Karoo
"Justin wins Biggest liar on AR award"

I'd rather be stripped naked, covered in honey and staked to an ant hill... then licked clean by hungry baboons. I don't do that political crap

Karoo,
dang your cold I would not do that to Walter much less a newby

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by skeetshot:
I have personally seen kudu bulls easily leaping over the fences which were over 10 feet high. In the limpopo area they are considered free ranging, and come and go as they please.

10 feet???

2 meter's as Steve said I can see but 10 feet???

Lane,
seen it with my own eyes

Steve

Steve H -- Awsome Pic.

Since you didn't keep it specific to any one country: Whitetail and most species of Deer, Bison, Elk, Big Horn Sheep and every known exotic of the world can be found in many US States.
Cheers,
David

Dont forget the ever popular "russian" hog. those are just great when they decide to leave the enclosure.