Anyone else watch that last night? I had no idea this prequel series to 'Yellowstone' would include Africa. Nice double rifle used for the lion sequence. Remembering it is TV and most of these Hollywood people do not know what real safari was like at the time it made a fair attempt. There is a bit of floof to it but the entertainment value was still good.

I saw that as well. Not too bad. I'd watch it again.

The only thing I saw wrong was the 2 male leopard coalition. I don't believe this happens.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I do not do streaming. I am glad it is starting out well.

Yes, I was confused by the "teaser" scenes...what does an African safari and WW 1 combat have to do with Yellowstone? I'm sure Hollywood will bring it all together in time.

On another note, I could never get into Yellowstone. Costner’s character branding his son and other folks kept me from forming a relationship with the character that I carried what happened to him.

Same with Breaking Bad once the main character rapped his wife.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The only thing I saw wrong was the 2 male leopard coalition. I don't believe this happens.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Did they say it was two male leopards? I missed that if they did. I thought the one lurking at the tracker's tent looked small and I assumed it was a female. Mostly because I too have never heard of male leopards partnering but hey, we live in modern times and people have weird ideas lately.

I won't know the leopard situation if they only show the rest of the episodes on their extra pay channel.

Am I the only idiot that is thrown into fits trying to cipher the various streaming services, payment plans, times, channels, who's subscription,.......

9pm on a Sunday, I just wanna watch a little TV for and hour or so and go to sleep. "Nope! F--k you Scott!"

Scott, I too have trouble figuring that out, but I've stopped trying. Hate that I miss all the Thursday night and Saturday NFL games, but I'm not going to buy an additional channel to watch them.

Never saw Yellowstone or 1923, but I do have a comment on Hollywood's take on double rifles. In Out of Africa, Robert Redford used a double rifle to shoot, I believe a lioness, that was charging.

Years later I was at Champlin's in Enid, Oklahoma, had a hearing in Oklahoma City and decided to drive over and have a look. They had the double used in the movie. It was beautiful, I must say. A H&H Royal, but in .375 flanged. Beautiful rifle but doubt a PH could either afford an H&H Royal or would be carrying a .375 if he could. It was going for a very dear price, which I can't recall.

As for leopards, I shot a male in the company of a female and have seen females in the company of cubs, but I've never heard of two adult males together.

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I do not do streaming. I am glad it is starting out well.

I don’t stream either…have yet to figure that stuff out. Came on Direct TV after Yellowstone (which I have to pray for forgiveness after I watch).

I am going to have to figure out streaming however to watch: “Facing Nolan Ryan.”

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The only thing I saw wrong was the 2 male leopard coalition. I don't believe this happens.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Did they say it was two male leopards? I missed that if they did. I thought the one lurking at the tracker's tent looked small and I assumed it was a female. Mostly because I too have never heard of male leopards partnering but hey, we live in modern times and people have weird ideas lately.

I won't know the leopard situation if they only show the rest of the episodes on their extra pay channel.

Yep…maybe the leopards were gender confused.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I do not do streaming. I am glad it is starting out well.

I don’t stream either…have yet to figure that stuff out. Came on Direct TV after Yellowstone (which I have to pray for forgiveness after I watch).

I am going to have to figure out streaming however to watch: “Facing Nolan Ryan.”

Facing Nolan is well worth the effort to figure out streaming. I always knew Nolan was amazing, I just did not realize how amazing his career really was. A couple of interesting things from the show. Randy Johnson is interviewed on the show. Johnson holds the record for the second most strikeouts in baseball history . . . Johnson, in second place, is still 1000 strikeouts behind Nolan. Nolan pitched during a period when radar technology for baseball was very primitive and they measured the speed 10' from release as opposed to at release. They estimate that at his peak, using current technology and parameters, his pitches would clock as high as 108 mph. They interview a number of major leaguers that faced Nolan and asked them how many Cy Young awards Nolan won. Some guess three, some guess six, numbers all over the map. Craig Biggio gets the right answer. None. Despite his amazing career he never won the Cy Young award. Great documentary for a baseball fan to see.

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Did they say it was two male leopards? I missed that if they did. I thought the one lurking at the tracker's tent looked small and I assumed it was a female. Mostly because I too have never heard of male leopards partnering but hey, we live in modern times and people have weird ideas lately.

Yeah! Watched it last night. I assumed it was a mating pair out to dine on tourists.

Mark

I don't think Hollywood put that much thought into it :-)

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I do not do streaming. I am glad it is starting out well.

I don’t stream either…have yet to figure that stuff out. Came on Direct TV after Yellowstone (which I have to pray for forgiveness after I watch).

I am going to have to figure out streaming however to watch: “Facing Nolan Ryan.”

Facing Nolan is well worth the effort to figure out streaming. I always knew Nolan was amazing, I just did not realize how amazing his career really was. A couple of interesting things from the show. Randy Johnson is interviewed on the show. Johnson holds the record for the second most strikeouts in baseball history . . . Johnson, in second place, is still 1000 strikeouts behind Nolan. Nolan pitched during a period when radar technology for baseball was very primitive and they measured the speed 10' from release as opposed to at release. They estimate that at his peak, using current technology and parameters, his pitches would clock as high as 108 mph. They interview a number of major leaguers that faced Nolan and asked them how many Cy Young awards Nolan won. Some guess three, some guess six, numbers all over the map. Craig Biggio gets the right answer. None. Despite his amazing career he never won the Cy Young award. Great documentary for a baseball fan to see.

I agree with you about Nolan Ryan. He finished his career here when I was in high school. An amazing legend. The Robin Ventura beat down even solidified his reputation as a badass.

He didn’t want to do the documentary, but Ruth and his sons persisted. He can still zing a pitch out there. He was about my current age when he hung it up. That last no hitter was almost his last game and he wasn’t sure he could even throw that night before even taking the mound.

The ‘Football Life’ on Roger Staubach is also incredible considering he fulfilled his Navy commitment and came back to do what he did.

Regarding ‘1923,’ it is pretty cool to see a show like that these days. The DR looked to be of modern make, but at least they had a DR.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Am I the only idiot that is thrown into fits trying to cipher the various streaming services, payment plans, times, channels, who's subscription,.......

9pm on a Sunday, I just wanna watch a little TV for and hour or so and go to sleep. "Nope! F--k you Scott!"

No, you are not alone... I hate this but will have to learn it...

BTW - I love Yellowstone, 1883 and 1923.. Great fun.

I tell my co-workers - "Don't do that or I will go "Rip" on you..."

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Regarding ‘1923,’ it is pretty cool to see a show like that these days. The DR looked to be of modern make, but at least they had a DR.

Looked like it was possibly a Merkel? Making the effort to source an old Westley or Holland would have been a nice touch. Still enjoyed it.

For your guys struggling with getting streaming services going, just hire a local techie to set it up for you. Geek Squad from Best Buy can do it.

I started with an Apple TV unit. Today's new TV's are already set up for it. They just need to be connected to the internet via an ethernet cable or WiFi.

My son set my system up for streaming. Since then, I NEVER watch regular TV. There are so many viewing options once you start streaming.

Pay to get set up. You'll be glad you did.

On the topic, I've not watched 1923 yet but the prequel 1883 was AWESOME!!!

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I do not do streaming. I am glad it is starting out well.

I don’t stream either…have yet to figure that stuff out. Came on Direct TV after Yellowstone (which I have to pray for forgiveness after I watch).

I am going to have to figure out streaming however to watch: “Facing Nolan Ryan.”

Facing Nolan is well worth the effort to figure out streaming. I always knew Nolan was amazing, I just did not realize how amazing his career really was. A couple of interesting things from the show. Randy Johnson is interviewed on the show. Johnson holds the record for the second most strikeouts in baseball history . . . Johnson, in second place, is still 1000 strikeouts behind Nolan. Nolan pitched during a period when radar technology for baseball was very primitive and they measured the speed 10' from release as opposed to at release. They estimate that at his peak, using current technology and parameters, his pitches would clock as high as 108 mph. They interview a number of major leaguers that faced Nolan and asked them how many Cy Young awards Nolan won. Some guess three, some guess six, numbers all over the map. Craig Biggio gets the right answer. None. Despite his amazing career he never won the Cy Young award. Great documentary for a baseball fan to see.

I went to school with a guy who was (along with his twin brother) drafted out of high school. The brother, Stan Cliburn, was drafted by the Angels while Nolan was there. We asked Stan one day what it was like to face Nolan. He said that in batting practice one day, Nolan hit him with a pitch. A week later the marks on his arm made by the seams in the ball were still clear.

Stan was a catcher. He obviously got to see Nolan in action often.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Am I the only idiot that is thrown into fits trying to cipher the various streaming services, payment plans, times, channels, who's subscription,.......

9pm on a Sunday, I just wanna watch a little TV for and hour or so and go to sleep. "Nope! F--k you Scott!"

You can buy a small black box, and for $300 a year, you have access to practically anything available on all networks!

The search function is a bit dated, but it works great.

I use it all the time.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I do not do streaming. I am glad it is starting out well.

I don’t stream either…have yet to figure that stuff out. Came on Direct TV after Yellowstone (which I have to pray for forgiveness after I watch).

I am going to have to figure out streaming however to watch: “Facing Nolan Ryan.”

Facing Nolan is well worth the effort to figure out streaming. I always knew Nolan was amazing, I just did not realize how amazing his career really was. A couple of interesting things from the show. Randy Johnson is interviewed on the show. Johnson holds the record for the second most strikeouts in baseball history . . . Johnson, in second place, is still 1000 strikeouts behind Nolan. Nolan pitched during a period when radar technology for baseball was very primitive and they measured the speed 10' from release as opposed to at release. They estimate that at his peak, using current technology and parameters, his pitches would clock as high as 108 mph. They interview a number of major leaguers that faced Nolan and asked them how many Cy Young awards Nolan won. Some guess three, some guess six, numbers all over the map. Craig Biggio gets the right answer. None. Despite his amazing career he never won the Cy Young award. Great documentary for a baseball fan to see.

I went to school with a guy who was (along with his twin brother) drafted out of high school. The brother, Stan Cliburn, was drafted by the Angels while Nolan was there. We asked Stan one day what it was like to face Nolan. He said that in batting practice one day, Nolan hit him with a pitch. A week later the marks on his arm made by the seams in the ball were still clear.

Stan was a catcher. He obviously got to see Nolan in action often.

Craig Biggio and I were discussing Facing Nolan a while back. He said that at one point both he and Nolan were on rehab assignments at AAA and he batted against Nolan. He said that on one of the pitches Nolan true to form threw the ball high and inside and almost put Biggio in the dirt. Biggio said he just stood there in disbelief saying to himself "Seriously?". In a game that did not really matter in the overall scheme of things, Ryan was as competitive as ever.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
The only thing I saw wrong was the 2 male leopard coalition. I don't believe this happens.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I don't have TV or any of the streaming services, but knowing hollywood.... If it possible that some screenwriter was inspired by The Ghost and the Darkenss, and substituted two male leopards for the two male lions?

I haven't see the show, but that popped to mind.

I want to see Nolan Ryan. He was done by my time, but he was always conversation around my Football teams.

What is interesting is compared to today today Nolan did not through very fast. This makes me think two things 1) It was a combination of power plus control that made batters dread, and 2) The gun to day measures velo more forward from the pitcher then back then.

There is a really cool story that Randy Johnson was s loud to loose his spot in the rotation with the Marines. Randy pitched against Nolan. After the game, Nolan got word to Randy Johnson. They worked out together, and Nolan fixed his mechanics. The rest is history.

I saw a film of Nolan Ryan working out just before he retired. I think he was one of the first pitchers to weight train like a football player.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I want to see Nolan Ryan. He was done by my time, but he was always conversation around my Football teams.

What is interesting is compared to today today Nolan did not through very fast. This makes me think two things 1) It was a combination of power plus control that made batters dread, and 2) The gun to day measures velo more forward from the pitcher then back then.

There is a really cool story that Randy Johnson was s loud to loose his spot in the rotation with the Marines. Randy pitched against Nolan. After the game, Nolan got word to Randy Johnson. They worked out together, and Nolan fixed his mechanics. The rest is history.

I saw a film of Nolan Ryan working out just before he retired. I think he was one of the first pitchers to weight train like a football player.

As stated above, his velocity today would’ve measured 107 or so. With his longevity, he has the most strikeouts, but also the most walks and other records.

Speaking of the Big Unit, that video of him hitting that dove is legendary.

Rand Johnson and that Phillies Kruck is the best 93. Kruck, “ I was just trying to survive.”

W
Kruck was hitting 297 against lefties. However, Randy Johnson was not just a lefty.


The torque and whip of Randy Johnson’s motion really broke him down by the time he got to the Yankees.

My son’s pitching coach is also an MLB agent and scout that handles mostly pitchers. One of the pitchers he trained as a kid and handles as an agent is Dustin Mays who throws solid 100’s all day with his fastball. They had just watched Facing Nolan and were discussing one afternoon while my son was pitching.

They claim that someone has gone back and done some sort of comparative film analysis with current known 100+ fastballers like him (he has thrown 105) and Nolan. They believe Nolan was consistently throwing 107-108 when he played for the Angels and topped out at 110 — making him still likely to have the fastest fastball ever.

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What is interesting is compared to today today Nolan did not through very fast.

Nolan Ryan didn't throw very fast? Are you kidding?

Read my full sentence. At the time he pitched Nolan was clocked at 100 to high 90s. That was amazing for the time.

Today everyone is a burner at least 97 it seems. That makes me think the reason is the speed is taken at a different distance now. I would like to see Nolan on today’s Gun.

From an article I read:

For decades, comparing pitch velocities has often been an apples-and-oranges discussion. The first radar guns that began appearing at ballparks in the late 1970s and early 1980s measured pitches much closer to the plate. The Speedgun, developed by Decatur Technologies (a long-time maker of police radar guns) measured closer to the plate than the JUGS gun. For scouts, the Speedgun was known as the “slow gun” while the JUGS gun registered faster readings and was the “fast gun.”

Then Stalker came out with its Pro Sports radar gun in the early 1990s. It measured velocity closer to the pitcher’s release point than the JUGS gun, so the JUGS flipped to being the slow gun.

A 90 mph pitch on a Speedgun could register at 92 on a JUGS gun and 93-94 mph on a Stalker. The tech continued to improve. A 94 mph pitch on the Stalker Pro registered as 95 on the Stalker Pro II.

So when you read of 85-90 mph fastballs from the early 1980s, realize that they would be registering much faster with current measurement tech. An 85 mph fastball (if registered by a Speedgun at the plate) would be roughly 93 mph if measured by Statcast out of the pitcher’s hand.

And that makes the 100 mph pitches Nolan Ryan threw in 1974 (as measured by Rockwell laser/radar instruments relatively close to the plate) even more remarkable today.

Hmmm. Hardly ever even turn the TV on, but 1923 sounds interesting. And that was the year the new-to-me Remington Model 8 left the factory.

Nolan Ryan's book on pitching is the best book out there for pitching coaches. He stresses mechanics, and avoiding injury through good mechanics, over all else, and he does so in an understandable way.

Tall and fall. He was a well-tuned, flame-throwing machine. And it did not hurt that he could be quite wild from time to time, although less so later in his career.

I have not seen 1923. I have always been a sucker for a good Western. I'll have to watch it. Thanks, Ann, for the tip.

Aroldis Chapman and the 15 Fastest Pitches Ever Recorded (from 2011)

But I believe the consensus now is that he likely through up to 110.

I bet it would be faster on today’s gun.

As competitive as Nolan was, my sense is that Ruth is the person in the family with the strongest competitive drive.

PET PEEVE: I am convienced that no one in Hollywood has ever gutted a deer or any wild game, they envarible get down on there knees and use a knife like a saw, an impossible feat, Ive yet to see an actor role the animal on its back to gut, I guess they like eating green shit! and piss..Yellowstone was the latest..

Add to that in Yellowstone, they branded the cowboys, killed the ones that quit the ranch, murdered half the set, or anyone that disagreed with them..In my lifetime I never killed a hired hand, never branded a cowboy, but if some rancher branded me his life span would end shortly thereafter...Good show but Alice in wonderland must have bee the producer..Twas the cowboy cartel..

I prefered 1886 and probabl 1923 to Yellowstone and Lonesome Dove, but Tommy Lee Joness is a bleeding hart liberal in real life it seems. I had one of the ranches leased that the movie was on, the scene where he gets off his horse with a scoped 99 Savage. I liked that!!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
PET PEEVE: I am convienced that no one in Hollywood has ever gutted a deer or any wild game, they envarible get down on there knees and use a knife like a saw, an impossible feat, Ive yet to see an actor role the animal on its back to gut, I guess they like eating green shit! and piss..Yellowstone was the latest..

Add to that in Yellowstone, they branded the cowboys, killed the ones that quit the ranch, murdered half the set, or anyone that disagreed with them..In my lifetime I never killed a hired hand, never branded a cowboy, but if some rancher branded me his life span would end shortly thereafter...Good show but Alice in wonderland must have bee the producer..Twas the cowboy cartel..

I prefered 1886 and probabl 1923 to Yellowstone and Lonesome Dove, but Tommy Lee Joness is a bleeding hart liberal in real life it seems. I had one of the ranches leased that the movie was on, the scene where he gets off his horse with a scoped 99 Savage. I liked that!!

Exactly Ray. I watch it with my wife cause she likes it and it is better than most else on TV these days.

But I grew up on big ranches. My family mostly ranches for a living.

While they do portray a few things correctly...the drama part shares nothing in common with everyday ranch life.

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PET PEEVE: I am convienced that no one in Hollywood has ever gutted a deer or any wild game, they envarible get down on there knees and use a knife like a saw, an impossible feat, Ive yet to see an actor role the animal on its back to gut, I guess they like eating green shit! and piss..Yellowstone was the latest..

Add to that in Yellowstone, they branded the cowboys, killed the ones that quit the ranch, murdered half the set, or anyone that disagreed with them..In my lifetime I never killed a hired hand, never branded a cowboy, but if some rancher branded me his life span would end shortly thereafter...Good show but Alice in wonderland must have bee the producer..Twas the cowboy cartel..

I prefered 1886 and probabl 1923 to Yellowstone and Lonesome Dove, but Tommy Lee Joness is a bleeding hart liberal in real life it seems. I had one of the ranches leased that the movie was on, the scene where he gets off his horse with a scoped 99 Savage. I liked that!!

At one time the Texas Cowboy club at the University of Texas branded members chests. It was a honor to be walking around Barton Spring with your brand.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
PET PEEVE: I am convienced that no one in Hollywood has ever gutted a deer or any wild game, they envarible get down on there knees and use a knife like a saw, an impossible feat, Ive yet to see an actor role the animal on its back to gut, I guess they like eating green shit! and piss..Yellowstone was the latest..

Add to that in Yellowstone, they branded the cowboys, killed the ones that quit the ranch, murdered half the set, or anyone that disagreed with them..In my lifetime I never killed a hired hand, never branded a cowboy, but if some rancher branded me his life span would end shortly thereafter...Good show but Alice in wonderland must have bee the producer..Twas the cowboy cartel..

I prefered 1886 and probabl 1923 to Yellowstone and Lonesome Dove, but Tommy Lee Joness is a bleeding hart liberal in real life it seems. I had one of the ranches leased that the movie was on, the scene where he gets off his horse with a scoped 99 Savage. I liked that!!

At one time the Texas Cowboy club at the University of Texas branded members chests. It was a honor to be walking around Barton Spring with your brand.

They have also been kicked off many times, once for the death of a “pledge” or whatever they call the new guys.