For the Doxy I have found taking it with dinner mutes the sun sensitivity issue. Maybe it has "peaked" in the system during the wee hours...

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That's an average of 2740 deaths per day, or 2 deaths per minute. Two deaths per minute. That means people in Africa are dropping like flies to Malaria. But these are preventable deaths, if the right medicine was afforded these people.

When you depart your hunting camps and feel so inclined to leave a tip, give the PH any extra Malaria medicine you might have. It is not a stretch to say, "You might be able to save someone's life." Life is the greatest gift you can give to a tracker, camp staffer or a villager.

I'm gonna get into trouble here, but here goes:

The more we attempt to "save" everybody in Africa the sooner it will implode. The fact that Africa only has a limited carrying potential, which is to say that unlike the US /Russia, Africa is predominately desert. All international efforts to stave-off starvation have untimately failed. What will happe to these people when we "save" them and then the hyper-overpopulated region starves en-masse????

Africa is the only place left on earth where the process of natural selection still works!

I hate the thought of children dying for HIV AIDS, Malaria or whatever....BUT the thought of social engineering a culture into full-time dependancy on outside forces makes me cringe even more so...Somalia is a terrible and stark example of what happens when outside forces with good intentions fail to recognize the real cost of "saving" the proples of a country - CHAOS and extreme misery the likes of which HIV, Malaria, etc could not inflict on a people!!!

Thoughts from anybody?

JW

Hmmmm? I think I get what you're saying Jeff. That it's better to let sick Africans die off because the continent doesn't have sustainable resources for the existing population as it is? Therefore, it's a better place in the long run, as a result of restricted aid, because the mortality rate keeps the population at manageable levels?

Moja

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Originally posted by SableTrail:

That's an average of 2740 deaths per day, or 2 deaths per minute. Two deaths per minute. That means people in Africa are dropping like flies to Malaria. But these are preventable deaths, if the right medicine was afforded these people.



Moja

Sleeping under nets and DDT are the two things that Africa needs to make a noticeable dent in the malaria problem in the near future.

But the first requires personal responsibility and the second requires real science instead of junk science and feel good enviro-liberalism. So neither are going to happen. Ever.



A vaccine is the holy grail for malaria prevention.

Whether it's Malarone or any other malaria medication, why would you even consider risking malaria for the lack of a few pills?

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That it's better to let sick Africans die off because the continent doesn't have sustainable resources for the existing population as it is? Therefore, it's a better place in the long run, as a result of restricted aid, because the mortality rate keeps the population at manageable levels

Yes - as harsh as that sounds. As citizens of industrialized nations we marvel at the raw stamina, strength, and extremely high cognative skills of trackers, game scouts and camp personnel. They are this way due to the fact that they have survived and survuved a harsh environment for millenia. We used to be like that back in the day before we grew soft.

Foreggn aid of course is a large part of the problem. However another blight on the African is the "importation" of western ideology. For some reason, we have this uncontrollable urge to "save" everybody from themselves - big mistake.

The other mistake is to base our actions on a flawed "apples to apples" geo-climatic assessment. In other words, our continent can sustain vastly larger numbers of population per sq. mile than can Africa. Thus, the save everybody mentality here in the US is not a model for success in Africa where the environmental conditions act as a very high barrier to artificial population growth.

Pumping billions into war lords & corrupt politician's bank accounts only exacerbates the human misery factor.

Political correctness again promotes genocide - Sudan, Zim, SA, CAR, Rwanda - the proof is undeniable.

JW

I took Malarone on my trip to Zim last year and experienced some of the most awful dreams one can imagine. I would even have terrible dreams as I dozed off while riding in the Cruiser. It got to the point where I thought I was going crazy. When I mentioned this to my PH he told me that I was having symptoms typical of Malarone--I'm glad he told me because I otherwise wouldn't have known.

I decided to take my chances with Malaria and stop taking the drug after about a week as it was ruining my safari.

Jeff: I do understand your point. I disagree however with it. Having traced my lineage to Liberia, I'd have a difficult time turning my back on that continent. For you and I to go back and forth, well that would really sidetrack the Malarone-based post, so we'll have to settle it one night at a campfire or over a steak dinner. I am one however, who believes that Africa has brought on alot of its own problems. It's impossible now though, for the continent to self-correct itself.

"Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa," by Keith Richburg would be a good book for you. I know you'd like it; written by a Washington Post reporter who underwent alot of experiences I did as an African-based correspondent. It's a fascinating read. He touches on alot of the stuff you addressed above.

Moja

I heard a story that some organization gave out a stack of Mosquito net to the people of Zambia.
It turned out that the fishing community's turned their family's share into fishing nets.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Here is a thought.

IF you think you might go to Africa in the future, get your doctor to perscribe a months supply of Larium, and take it to see IF it causes you any problems.

That is what I did I started it about 3 weeks before my first trip, to see if it caused me any problems.

It did not so I have used it every time. My wife used it on her trip, again starting early with no problems.

Last time I checked Malaria was still listed as one of the biggest killers on the planet.

Does ANYBODY on this site give good, thought-out, common sense advice as consistently as Tony??

If I ever get filthy rich I'm gonna hire him to go along on all my hunts just to keep me from doing anything too stupid...

Wendell, your quite right I meant Lariam.
My apologies for the inaccuracy.

I hope that all that "go bare" without prophylaxis reconsider. Malaria is potentially fatal. IT IS NOT WORTH THE CHANCE GENTLEMEN

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
doclee,

Thanks sfor your input. Below, you say Malarone, but the symptoms sound just like Larium? Did you mean Larium?

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Originally posted by doclee:
Malarone is prone to cause vivid dreams and some report mood changes/personality changes and depressive symptoms while on it.

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Originally posted by doclee:
I have had one client have a bad safari due to medication... this was not discovered by the client or the PH until the client was off meds.

I have heard some real horror stories about guys locking themselves in the cruiser, guys who are normally "normal" turning paranoid ... I think Larium is a horrible drug.

The generic name for Larium is Mefloquine.

Ihe problem is a few pills are not going to do anyone any good. Unless you take rhe proper dosage and duration for prevention or treatment you are just pissing in the wind. You can actually do more harm with many medications by giving sub-therapuetic doses than by doing nothing at all. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Be sure you know what the proper dose and duration is then make sure the person you give it to understands as well. Too often well meaning people do more harm by not following correct protocals.I understand wantinng to help when I can.