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Zebra with 300 RUM
16 April 2007, 21:14
jro45Zebra with 300 RUM
Do you think the 300 RUM shooting 200gr partition would be enough for Zebra? Has anyone shot a Zebra with a 300 in the Heart, Leg or lungs?
I'm going to S. Africa in July and would like to know if a 300 is enought for plains game.
16 April 2007, 21:25
stillluckyZebra are plenty tough. It is a tradition for me to hunt them every time I go. They are great fun to hunt. I have had success 5 times with
300 win mag shooting 180 gr. Hornadys. BUT I only took broadside shoots that got to the heart. I passed up opportunities that a tougher bullet would have given me. My 375 with 300gr NPs is alot more impressive to them.
G'luck
I shot one through the lungs with a 180 grain partition. It ran about 50 yards and died.
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16 April 2007, 21:54
MARK H. YOUNGjro45,
I shot zebra usually with heavier calibers than the 300 but I did shoot one with a frontal chest shot with a 300 Win Mag and a 180 NP. He ran about 200 yards and crashed. So I guess the 300 Ultra with the 200 NP would work just fine as long as the real bad angle shots were avoided.
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Safari-HuntGo for it just dont go for a bad angle. Zebras are tough but not invinsible shot placement is no. 1
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16 April 2007, 22:35
ROSCOEquote:
Originally posted by jro45:
Do you think the 300 RUM shooting 200gr partition would be enough for Zebra? Has anyone shot a Zebra with a 300 in the Heart, Leg or lungs?
I'm going to S. Africa in July and would like to know if a 300 is enought for plains game.
your 300 will work fine provided you don't hit one of the black stripes....if you want to shoot it in one of the black stripes you will need something larger like a 577 Nitro.
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16 April 2007, 22:46
SaeedI lost count of how many zebras and sable I have shot with a 270 Ackley.
I have also shot many of larger calibers. Frankly, I could not honestly say that the larger calibers killed them any better.
16 April 2007, 22:51
Jarrodquote:
Originally posted by ROSCOE:
quote:
Originally posted by jro45:
Do you think the 300 RUM shooting 200gr partition would be enough for Zebra? Has anyone shot a Zebra with a 300 in the Heart, Leg or lungs?
I'm going to S. Africa in July and would like to know if a 300 is enought for plains game.
your 300 will work fine provided you don't hit one of the black stripes....if you want to shoot it in one of the black stripes you will need something larger like a 577 Nitro.
Why can you not shoot them in a black stripe?
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16 April 2007, 23:22
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16 April 2007, 23:26
Die Ou JagterAnd beside crushing him it hurts more than on the white , just ask Imus.
16 April 2007, 23:27
dogcatquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
I lost count of how many zebras and sable I have shot with a 270 Ackley.
I have also shot many of larger calibers. Frankly, I could not honestly say that the larger calibers killed them any better.
Oh come on now, everyone knows you can't kill a zebra with a .270 whether improved or not...
They do not die with a 150 grain bullet in the heart. It takes at least a 180 grain bullet to make the hole big enough to take into account the Hysteresis Effect, the Bwana Saeed Index, the Taylor Knockout Effect, the Hailey Comet affect, and not to mention extra high gravity in the area.
I will check into my LaPlace Transforms and Fourier Series analysis to see if this is so...
Oh no, a .270 will kill a zebra.. I'll be darned...
I should have known that all along.
So will a .300 WM or RUM or Scotch.
Just put the bullet on the triangle on the zebra's shoulder and he will be a rug very soon....
17 April 2007, 02:38
BuliwyfYes, a .300 is enough for plains game.
17 April 2007, 02:50
Alloutquote:
Originally posted by Jarrod: Why can you not shoot them in a black stripe?
Because they can't see the hole in the black stripe and they won't know they've been shot.
Brian
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17 April 2007, 03:09
dogcatThe poor guy asks a simply question and he gets all kinds of advice from us...
We should be ashamed of ourselves.
But I am not....
17 April 2007, 04:10
DTalaI killed this one in the Save Conservancy in 05 with a 6.5x57, 139gr softpoint.
Eighty yard shot, it ran sixty and went down. The rifle choice was not mine as my guns were still in the Joberg airport...
troy
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17 April 2007, 04:42
UplandhunterI shot my Zebra last year with a 300 RUM. I was using the 200 GR PSP bullet from Remington. The zebra was shot through both lungs at 100 yards and it turned them to jelly. The zebra went about 75 yards and piled up.
17 April 2007, 04:44
cable68Got mine with 300 Win Mag 200 gr NP. Double-lung shot; piled up within 50 yds.
Caleb
17 April 2007, 05:13
Blair338/378Shot a Hartmanns Zebra with a 300RUM and a 180TSX last year in Namibia, with Mike Kibble.
Range was 346 yards (Leica Geovid) and the stallion just collapsed on the spot.........
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17 April 2007, 06:44
L. David KeithI took one in February with my 300RUM. 180 grain Barnes. Full penetration. I would have no reservations using it on Zebra. LDK
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18 April 2007, 02:27
jro45Thanks for the information. I'm going to take my 300 RUM for the Zebra, Wart Hog, & The Impala.
18 April 2007, 04:20
ALP#4I killed two with archery gear both died under 40 yds. Killed my Hartmans with a 300WSM/180gr an he ran 125 yds with both lungs shredded....go figure!
18 April 2007, 09:04
Mike_DettorreI am curious as to why you thought it was not enough...
My question is in all seriousness.
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1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
18 April 2007, 09:35
shootawayI think the 300RUM with 200 grain bullets is an excellent choice for African plains game.I might choose to go with this combo if ever I go to Africa.I will start developing a load next week for this caliber.I bought a scope for my 300RUM today and broke a screw installing the scope bases.I will try to get a hot and accurate load for her with a molly coated TSX.I am going to try both Remington and Nosler cases.I feel very confident that a 200 grain TSX moving at 3200 fps and placed very high and to the left of the shoulder, will drop a zebra instantly.
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Do you think the 300 RUM shooting 200gr partition would be enough for Zebra? Has anyone shot a Zebra with a 300 in the Heart, Leg or lungs?
I'm not sure the 300 RUM is enough gun. Those Zebra can be dangerous. I'm going this july just for Zebra, I'm having my 460wby rebarreled to 500A2. When hunting Zebra in the thick stuff their is no such thing as to much gun. If my 500A2 is not back in time I guess I'll have to use my 260rem mod 7.
DR B
18 April 2007, 10:19
Russ GouldThe 300 RUM cartridge was designed specifically because the 308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, 300 H&H, and 300 Weatherby were all lacking to some degree. But the RUM was not quite enough so the 30-378 was developed. The jury is still out on that one...there is a school of thought that says one definitely needs depleted Uranium bullets to make a sure kill on plains game
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18 April 2007, 10:24
shootawayYou will never get the drop dead effect on game, with a body shot ,useing anything lighter than a 300WM.Especially on good sized zebra.
18 April 2007, 11:33
Blair338/378quote:
Originally posted by Dr B:
quote:
Do you think the 300 RUM shooting 200gr partition would be enough for Zebra? Has anyone shot a Zebra with a 300 in the Heart, Leg or lungs?
I'm not sure the 300 RUM is enough gun. Those Zebra can be dangerous. I'm going this july just for Zebra, I'm having my 460wby rebarreled to 500A2. When hunting Zebra in the thick stuff their is no such thing as to much gun. If my 500A2 is not back in time I guess I'll have to use my 260rem mod 7.
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18 April 2007, 11:35
Blair338/378quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
I think the 300RUM with 200 grain bullets is an excellent choice for African plains game.I might choose to go with this combo if ever I go to Africa.I will start developing a load next week for this caliber.I bought a scope for my 300RUM today and broke a screw installing the scope bases.I will try to get a hot and accurate load for her with a molly coated TSX.I am going to try both Remington and Nosler cases.I feel very confident that a 200 grain TSX moving at 3200 fps and placed very high and to the left of the shoulder, will drop a zebra instantly.
shootaway,
It's a top round for PG.
Why not try the North Fork 200 HG as well?
Cheers,
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Blair.
18 April 2007, 12:07
shootawayYou can't buy the North Fork in Canada.I would prefer to go with the TSX in 300RUM.A hot load will really stress a 200 grain bullet on something the size of a zebra.
18 April 2007, 14:31
<Hunter Formerly Known As Texas Hunter>quote:
I feel very confident that a 200 grain TSX moving at 3200 fps and placed very high and to the left of the shoulder, will drop a zebra instantly.
It may be tough to get all of the zebra to run from left to right for the shot.
18 April 2007, 16:03
prairiewolfI used A 300RUM to take all my game in RSA in 2004 including a Zebra All animals were one shot the Zebra was moving from left to right at about 200yds I hit it just behind the front leg and about mid body. It dropped on the spot and didn't even kick.I was using Reminton 180gr PSP factory loads.The only animal that ran any distance was the Bles buck he went about 125yds with virtually no lungs left.Kudu went about 50yds. Gems buck dropped like the Zebra.The 300RUM is more than enough gun with well placed shots.
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18 April 2007, 16:59
RobertJrYou have plenty of gun for any plains game you come upon. I might upgrade for an Eland, or make sure you have a good broadside shot.
I have taken 3 Zebra with the .300 RUM shooting 200 gr. NP and 200 gr. SAF. I believe that the SAF did a better job of penetration and would give you more shooting angles with confidence.
I also took 20 other PG trophies with the .300 RUM and was very pleased with its knock down performance. Never forget that it is the accuracy of the shot that makes up 60%or more of the kill. Have a Great Safari.
Robert
25 April 2007, 09:50
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]300 RUM[/URL] I don't know if she will take a Zebra,but I've got her ready for load testing.Here she is alongside my most used rifle,my 308 "target rifle".
25 April 2007, 09:58
jetdrvrTook mine w/ 7mm Rem, 160 A Frame to the left kidney, 'bout 175 yds. Ran 50 yds & dropped.
25 April 2007, 10:15
Blair338/378quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
You can't buy the North Fork in Canada.I would prefer to go with the TSX in 300RUM.A hot load will really stress a 200 grain bullet on something the size of a zebra.
I bought mine through the guys at Huntingtons. Not a problem. Mike Brady who makes the North Forks is a top bloke and the bullets are fantastic.
We culled Red hartebeest one afternoon with Mike Kibble and he was using 200TBBC in a 300 Win against us Aussies with the 300RUM and 180TSX............the TBBC hit much harder and it's not as good a bullet as the North Fork, IMO.
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25 April 2007, 10:22
shootawayThanks Blair,I checked out the Huntingtons site last night and saw that they had all kinds of nice stuff.They also explained some of the impoting/exporting process.
25 April 2007, 12:02
ICUdoc300 RUM with 200 grain North Forks worked great for a bunch of plains game, including zebra. I always considered myself something of a deadeye. Then, with a rear quartering shot on a kudu, the animal jumped suddenly forward just as I was squeezing off (with an otherwise good sight picture) and I hit it a little too far back (plus minus a little brush deflection). Tracked red blood for hours, and looked for signs of it (vultures) for days. First big game I ever hit and lost, and that was in 2004, and I remember it better than most animals in which I made "great shots", and indeed still think about it. I've since done the approximately roughly equivalent raking shot on a kudu with a .375 and heavy bullet, and the animal fell on the spot. I learned something from all that.
25 April 2007, 21:43
TerryRLast year my buddy took a zebra with a 300 RSAUM. He was using 180 gr. factory rounds. No problem.
25 April 2007, 22:18
ROSCOELike I said...the 300 will work fine...just don't shoot one on the black stripe!
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26 April 2007, 00:19
AtkinsonI have seen or know of many many Zebra that have been shot with the 300 RUM or equal calibers like the 300-404. I think Saeed has shot a ton of Zebra with such a caliber.
I have shot a lot of Zebra with the 30-06 and the 7x57 and without difficulty.
I have shot them in the lungs, heart, neck and brain, but never in the leg and no a 300 or a 600 will not kill a Zebra shot in the leg.
The only criteria to killing a Zebra or a Buffalo for that matter is to place the shot in a killing zone. Caliber is a far third place, second is a properly constructed bullet.
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