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Sorry to kick this dead horse again, but I think we got way off track on this thread.

The video is great. It's full of good information and lot of sales pitches. When I buy a training video for work, it seldom has a lot of sales pitches in it because the tapes themselves are the source of revenue for the seller. In fact, the ones with a lot of sales built in are usually FREE and given away be the sponsors.

In this case, I just felt that for the money, regardless of who the host is, it had way too many hands in the pie. It would stand alone, and be worth every penny without all the sales pitches in it. I think they take away from the quality of the material.

As a business man, and primarily involved in sales and marketing, I might be too sensitive to this kind of thing, I don't know.

Again, without saying anything personal about the host, or producer of the tape, it has three solid hours of great information, but we should not have to pay for the tape AND the ads too.


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I think you make a valid point. I like the tape, the content is good, but for the cost of the tape we don't need the commercials. Still, I liked it enough that I'll probably buy the leopard DVd when it comes out.
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Bwanahile, it's actually a bit more than simple jealousy that lead many to disparage the "General". I recently had dinner with a PH friend and the Boddington subject came up. This PH has hunted with him before and actually had to provide the hunt for free in exchange for the publicity generated by the subsequent write-up. OK, that's business and it was worth it as he got Boddington a superb trophy of a size that had eluded him in the past. Now, however, Boddington wants not only the free hunt, but also to be paid very, very well before he will avail himself the free hunt, and that is just a bit much! Nice work if you can get it, and as such, I am jealous of Boddington, but in fact, in a way, he is just a very expensive whore who will hunt for anyone or with any product or rifle and praise the bejeezus out of it, if the price is right! Kinda taints his journalistic integrity, IMHO. Joe.


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Joe, I don't have any idea who you were talking to, but I can assure you that is an out-and-out lie that I charge big money (or any money) to go on any hunt. This has never happened, anwhere, anyplace, any time. I suspect the guy you talked to is someone whose invitation I declined, and this might have been for any number of reasons: Too busy, didn't know him, knew that he had a lousy product. It is true that I accept invitations occasionally--but "the word on free hunts" isn't out, because I tend to accept them only from friends that I know and trust. This probably adds to the jealousy because there are a lot of people that I won't hunt with--but I try very hard to ONLY get myself into situations that I am pretty darned sure will produce good stories. Of course, I'm a junkie for this stuff just like we all are. Deals aren't always possible or practical, so there are a lot of hunts out there that I've paid retail for just like everybody else. That isn't sound business--do the math: $10,000 for a hunt, on a really good day $1500 for the story, maybe a book chapter down the road (Average book royalty about $3.50, say 20 chapters in a book, 17 1/2 cents royalty from a given chapter). Nobody gets rich in my business, nor does anybody get cash bonuses to go hunting. (I wish!!!!) But it's fun, and I sure appreciate all you guys reading my stuff.

Craig Boddington


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Thanks for posting that Tyge! It's good that Craig gets to be heard, even if indirectly. I for one agree with all he's said.



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Bwanahile, it's actually a bit more than simple jealousy that lead many to disparage the "General". I recently had dinner with a PH friend and the Boddington subject came up. This PH has hunted with him before and actually had to provide the hunt for free in exchange for the publicity generated by the subsequent write-up. OK, that's business and it was worth it as he got Boddington a superb trophy of a size that had eluded him in the past. Now, however, Boddington wants not only the free hunt, but also to be paid very, very well before he will avail himself the free hunt, and that is just a bit much! Nice work if you can get it, and as such, I am jealous of Boddington, but in fact, in a way, he is just a very expensive whore who will hunt for anyone or with any product or rifle and praise the bejeezus out of it, if the price is right! Kinda taints his journalistic integrity, IMHO. Joe.


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Joe, I don't have any idea who you were talking to, but I can assure you that is an out-and-out lie that I charge big money (or any money) to go on any hunt. This has never happened, anwhere, anyplace, any time. I suspect the guy you talked to is someone whose invitation I declined, and this might have been for any number of reasons: Too busy, didn't know him, knew that he had a lousy product. It is true that I accept invitations occasionally--but "the word on free hunts" isn't out, because I tend to accept them only from friends that I know and trust. This probably adds to the jealousy because there are a lot of people that I won't hunt with--but I try very hard to ONLY get myself into situations that I am pretty darned sure will produce good stories. Of course, I'm a junkie for this stuff just like we all are. Deals aren't always possible or practical, so there are a lot of hunts out there that I've paid retail for just like everybody else. That isn't sound business--do the math: $10,000 for a hunt, on a really good day $1500 for the story, maybe a book chapter down the road (Average book royalty about $3.50, say 20 chapters in a book, 17 1/2 cents royalty from a given chapter). Nobody gets rich in my business, nor does anybody get cash bonuses to go hunting. (I wish!!!!) But it's fun, and I sure appreciate all you guys reading my stuff.

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I am going to disagree with Craig on his second last sentence in the quote above ("Nobody gets rich in my business"). As far as I am concerned, its pretty tough to get richer than having been to Africa over 50 times!!!! Not to mention the marco polo and NA sheep hunts. I don't care what his "net-worth" is, he has "The Donald" trumped as far as my definition of rich goes.

I just finished watching "Boddington on Buffalo" last nite. The first thing I will say is that I agree with N'gagi. The video is great but too much advertising right off the top. Not necessary considering the price (especially shipped to Canada and converted to funny money!!). The fact that it is right at the beginning is unfortunate....good for the advertisers, but it set the wrong tone for the video. Started me off wrong anyway.

Once I got past that though, I enjoyed the heck out of it! It is definitely the best and most informative African hunting video in my collection. A must for inexperienced African hunters.

The more I think of it though, I never got fully past the advertising because I was reminded every time gear was discussed. For instance, when he discussed the use of softs on buff and mentioned that "Swift and other manufacturers" make great ones. Or the constant references to Dakota and Swarovski.

Although I rank the video very highly, I would have enjoyed the video a lot more if the advertising was more subtle (ie. not in your face as soon as you hit the play button) and if CTB discussed in greater detail the other options available to the prospective buffalo hunter.

Don't get me wrong though...the advertising didn't ruin it for me. Just took the shine off of it a little. I give it an A instead of an A+.


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Canuck,
I hear ya on the advertising. It was there and it does kind of make you cringe a bit but it was quickly forgotten once the video started rolling.
The ads subsidize the production costs. Craig gets to hunt, he makes a few bucks, we get to watch and enjoy. I think it's a pretty good trade off.
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Carmelo,

I've got no real problem with the advertising in theory. Commerce makes the world go round.

But, being a "lifer" CTB fan, I really wanted to know what he really thinks, not just what he thinks about the paid advertisers stuff. I know that is where my disappointment comes from and why I noticed the adverts more here than in vids produced by others.

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Carmelo,

I've got no real problem with the advertising in theory. Commerce makes the world go round.

But, being a "lifer" CTB fan, I really wanted to know what he really thinks, not just what he thinks about the paid advertisers stuff. I know that is where my disappointment comes from and why I noticed the adverts more here than in vids produced by others.

Cheers,
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Guys,

I can't wait to watch my dvd when it arrives.



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As the former tech editor of an automotive publication, as well as the associate editor of another all I can say is that is how the business works. Be it a hunting trip or parts, they are knowingly traded to the magazines for ËinkË. Now, if Craig Boddington is working as a freelancer, then he has to get paid for his time as well, but the publication or publishing company should be taking care of that end.

That said, I bought the video a couple of months ago and found it very educational. Sure, they pushed product, but they have to satiate those who paid the bill. It simply inspired me even more (as if that was really necessary) to hunt buffalo.



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I don't want to kick the dead horse. Taking potshots is part of the deal, no issues with any of them. To Joe R: You were told an outrageous lie and you accepted it in good faith. I have no issue with you over it. I would also like to hear from some of the PH's who have problems with me (I wonder if I've actually hunted with them?)--but especially the guy whose business is so successful that he offers cash bonuses to go on his hunts. Of all the odd stories I've heard about myself over the years, that one takes the cake!

Appreciate all of your comments on the DVD. We're learning! My partners and I were grateful to our sponsors--they made it happen--and it's only fair to say that all are industry friends whose products we use and truly believe in. That said, in any category there are certainly other, equal products whose makers were not sponsors, and thus the treatment certainly wasn't equal! I will take this to heart as we do the leopard film this year and see if we can tone the commercialism down a bit. Gotta make the sponsors happy, but gotta make you guys happy as well.
Thanks again, wishing you all good hunting!
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Sir, Welcome to the forum. I hope this will not be your only visit. I am looking forward to veiwing your recent video and hope I will enjoy it as much as I have enjoyed your books and articles. Search for the Spiral Horn is great. These along with the Pygmy Antelopes are my favorites to hunt.
 
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Thanks for dropping by Craig. Long time no see!

Your input is always appreciated, and I am glad that you have taken any criticisms constructively. I for one am looking forward to the Leopard vid!

Cheers,
Chris



 
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Craig,

Many of us are very happy to have you as a member of the forum, even if brought here as a result of quite so probematic comment.

Good writers with real experience, an interesting point of view, and even the least willingness to admit falability are pretty rare and most of us like them a lot.

Hope you stay around and add to the conversation!


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Since I started this thread a few weeks ago I guess I ought to answer the question I asked in the first place.

I went ahead and ordered the DVD and got it in just a few days. I've watched it completely two times, I think, and parts of it several more times, if for no reason than to watch the wildlife.

The production standards are very good and the format is easy to use.

I have found it very useful and will certainly buy the leopard DVD when it comes out.

As far as the commercial aspect, well, I didn't find it that big of a deal. All the products were high quality items that were aimed at the topic at hand. If the sponsers had been Viagra, Dodge Trucks and the Law Offices of Dewey, Cheetum and Howe, then I would of had a big problem with it.

And as far as the rest of this thread, I think it shows that the only thing more jealous than a PH is maybe an outdoor writer. Not surprising, as most mechanics and carpenters seldom praise their competitors either.

Mr. Boddington, I'm sorry you had to, but thanks for posting on this thread also.


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Someone offer me $$$ to go hunt with them. Go ahead, I'm waiting.


Com'on guys. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

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Appreciate all of your comments on the DVD. We're learning! My partners and I were grateful to our sponsors--they made it happen--and it's only fair to say that all are industry friends whose products we use and truly believe in.I will take this to heart as we do the leopard film this year and see if we can tone the commercialism down a bit. Gotta make the sponsors happy, but gotta make you guys happy as well.
Thanks again, wishing you all good hunting!
Craig


Thanks for coming to visit!

I can understand whay you have to plug for the sponsors, maybe it would be better to just say it and quickly show their name and logo at the beginning and then tell the audience to be sure and watch the commercials at the end for information on a special offer or something along those lines...

I guess sitting through all the stuff at the beginning makes it more "in your face" than if you had of done it at the end, with just a blurb at the begining.

Frankly, the meat of the video makes it worth it, so I'll send in my deposit for the leopard DVD now if you want!!


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Since this thread was started, I've received a copy of the DVD and watched it a couple of nights ago. As I ain't "Been Dere and Done Dat" yet, I find it very informative and feel it is geared towards the stone rookies out there of which I'm one. The advertising wasn't as bad as I might've imagined and can always fast forward the next time I view it. I look at it like this, this is like a book in which a story is being told and like some books, the plot may take a while. All in all, the DVD is well worth watching. Cool Cool beer


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I'll be in Sapi for ele bull this July, and I'm looking fwd to getting a copy of the DVD.

While it does change the tone a bit, I can tolerate some advertising in exchange for a high-quality, well-edited, informative and realistic (little or no reenactment) production. An example of this is Marc Watt's latest "One Shot" video filmed with Peter Chipman in Zambia. Good video, lots of content and accurate info about the area and game, I enjoyed seeing Peter just being himself and as he is when hunting with him….but any more commercialism and it would have been just too much.

I realize and appreciate that as it has become more difficult for advertisers to target their customers, they are having to be more "creative" in their approach. My 7 year old daughter's latest Disney DVD has about 5 minutes of previews in the beginning which one must watch to get to the movie. Now...this is over the top! But of course, I'll keep buying the Disney videos.
 
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Hello Craig,

Very pleased to see you stop in here at AR... Please don't be a stranger, we'd love to hear your input when you have the time!


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Craig

Welcome.

I have previously corresponded with your business partner re the DVDs in Australia. Just sent a PM to you.

Regards

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Very glad to see Craig around again. I enjoy his articles and always flip through new rags to find his first.

I am a newbie to Africa as I will be taking my first trip in a few months. I can't wait, and it is because of the writings of Craig and others that made me want to experience the Dark Continent.

I haven't seen the DVD yet. I plan on ordering it after I return from Africa. One, it will provide a reminder of the great memories I just created. Two, it will get me fired up for my next trip, which will be for buffalo. Three, I need every cent to go to this trip right now!!

There are a select few writers out there who are fortunate enough to make a living witing about guns and hunting. In order to write about hunting, you have to go hunting. How in the world would it be possible to write about something if some of the hunts weren't comped? Common sence tells you that there is no way these guys could do this job if they had to pay for everything themselves, unless they were wealthy and not needing to work for a living.

I wish I was in their shoes, but I took the safe route years ago and persued a career that was "safer." Now, I look to these guys to provide me with entertainment and dreams.



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I think some of you are green eyed with jelousy, on Boddington...The man has chosen a profession and expects to be paid in hunting as opposed to money...Now what the hell is wrong with that...

We have never hunted a gun writer, don't need to, but I book for Phil Shoemaker in Alaska and he can come hunting in Tanzania anytime at a very discounted rate if he wants and if he chooses to write and artical then I sure would appreciate that..and thats in the mill...

I would hunt Boddington for an article, thats good advertisement, better than any full page add that cost as much..

I don't see the big deal in all this..the option is up to the safari company and if some PH is whining his ass off then why did he hunt Boddington in the first place.....

What about all those donated hunts to SCI and to certain individuals for various reasons, I try to do some kind of charitable hunt every year or so..This year a Iraq vet, next year a boy scout, so are they added to Mr. Free hunt, I think that is the talk of a small men, its petty BS...


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Ray, I agree and how did you know that I am a boy scout? Smiler
 
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Glad to see you on the forum, hope you stick around. I noticed the commercials, but didn't find them offensive. I'd prefer not to have them, but this is a quibble not a serious criticism. If they are an economic necessity, leave tham in. Hell, if you praise any product some people will claim that it's only because they paid you.
The DVD breaks new ground in that it truely educates you as well as entertains you. I found it to be very good and a vast improvement over the "look at me shoot the charging beast" genre.
Bring on the leopard DVD.

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Guys, thanks again for the many supporting comments. I really hate to kick a dead horse, but I'd like to add just one final word on the subject. (Yeah, as you can tell, that silly business about taking cash kickbacks in order to show up on a hunt really pissed me off. Technically, if I were of that mind set, it's legally actionable libel because (a) it isn't true and (b) if taken for the truth it could be damaging to my livelihood.)
But, just this once, and with no further comment from me on the subject (I promise), let me tell you how my business works for me.
First, I think it's extremely unlikely that any PH I ever actually hunted with expressed dissatisfaction at "the deal" because I have never, in 30 years, solicited a free hunt or gone to any outfitter with any "deal" of any kind. I am told that some people in my business do this regularly, but I never have and today I really don't have to.
Second, as I pointed out (and as many of you seconded), if I'm going to make my living writing about this stuff, it isn't always practical or possible to pay retail. Truthfully, there aren't any bargains on some of the things I want to hunt, so if I personally want to do something bad enough I have no issue with saving my pennies and paying for it. Good examples are silly things like desert sheep, Marco Polo, mountain nyala. I'll never see a return on those investments, but I'm very glad I did them. The difference comes when someone else wants me to do something. Some hunts are sponsored by manufacturers. Some are invitations from outfitters. I get more invites than I take, this because of time, lack of potential for marketing a story, and also because I rarely go hunting with people I don't know. And, after all, after 30 years in this business I know an awful lot of good outfitters that I consider friends. There is rarely any real free lunch; even on an invitation there's travel, licenses, tips, incidentals, and sometimes thousands of dollars in trophy fees and such. Before I spend a whole lot of money I try to think hard about whether I really want to do it, and how much material I can get out of it.
Third, the other thing that bothers me about this mysterious "deal" is that another thing I have never done is promise any editorial coverage in any magazine. I do get sent on assignment occasionally (almost never on a magazine's nickel) so I can't say what promises an editor or even a booking agent might have made, but I don't make promises. This is because I never know for sure what an editor is going to take, and, more importantly, no one knows how a hunt is going to turn out. If it's a disaster then I don't want obligations I can't fulfill. On the other hand, what I do for a living is fairly obvious, and it's also obvious that I write a lot (I don't write well, but I write damn fast). So of course there are expectations, and on my side there's no way I would take the time to go on a hunt without intending to write about it. But I also cannot guarantee response; some stories strike a chord with readers and there's lots of response, others don't work as well. But I don't make promises any more than I run around seeking "free hunts" . . . or charge a cash bonus to go on them. Okay, that's enough, my apologies to all, but there have been so many cheap shots taken from the safety and anonymity of compter terminals that I felt obligated to make this statement.
Regards to all, Craig
 
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Prescription: thicker skin. No one cares how many storms you weather; just whether you bring the ship in. (pardon the cliche)

If you write things that people like to read, your work will remain in demand. It is really a simple formula. How much you got paid, whether the hunt was free, etc. does not affect quality of the writing.

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I can sure tell Craig is a writer,I don't think I could type that long of a reply.Great to see his responses here.I will have to check this video out.Craigs old articles on the 375H&H convinced me to buy one.
 
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I respect anyone who chooses a profession, hones their skills, and then works hard to attain their goals. Part of those goals for any career I know is making a living. It is especially true of people that are self employed or own businesses. I've seen it with my wife who is a successful business owner. People will make comments on how it must be nice, blah blah blah, and they have no concept of how much work went into it. If someone is envious of Craig, hey, quit whining and get out and do it yourself. Do it better if you can. It's a free country and that is the American way. I'm willing to guess that he didn't just fall out of a tree and, volia,become a successful writer.

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I guess that memo from Craig Boddington should but this BS thread to rest once and for all...


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I guess I don't see anything wrong with getting paid, whether for hunting or anything else that doesn't hurt anybody. Just a capitalist at heart I guess.
 
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I received my DVD yesterday. We watched it last night and much to my chagrin my wife grabbed the raffle ticket for the Dakota. She immediatly filled it out in her name ! She of course claims to be the winner. Cool We really enjoyed the DVD and I didn't find the promo stuff that big of a deal. What I would really like to see is a similar DVD hunting plains game in Namibia showing all of the animals, things to take, guns etc. along with clips on the Kalahari or National Parks.
I also wonder if Mr.Boddongton's video company has considered offering discounts to purchasers who put deposits on future DVD's.
 
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After watching about the first half of the DVD I had to go pick up the jewelbox to see if it had "Boddington on Buffalo Just for Dave" on the cover. I'm going on my first Buff hunt to TZ in September '05 and he covered everything I had questions about (except how much to tip). One thing I watched over and over was how fast Craig could cycle a bolt action and get 3 shots off at a moving Buff in approx 3 seconds! Out-f***ing-STANDING Colonel! You just can't beat USMC training (I went to Advanced Infantry Training at Lejune in '68).
This is not a "hunting" video. It could have been titled, "So You Want To Hunt Buffalo?" It is extremely informative and very well done.
Thanks, Craig
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make that........out-f***ing standing GENERAL!
 
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Is he a general now?
 
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You don't reckon some folks can shoot a bolt action as fast as a double?
 
Posts: 948 | Location: Kenai, Ak. USA | Registered: 05 November 2000Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Steve Richards:
cowboy,
make that........out-f***ing standing GENERAL!


If so, I stand corrected! thumb


"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."
-Thomas Paine, "American Crisis"
 
Posts: 816 | Location: Llano, CA Mojave Desert | Registered: 30 April 2005Reply With Quote
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Re: Advertising
I found the "product placement" very informative. I never knew a hundred-dollar flashlight existed. Roll Eyes
I'm glad to have the info. It, at least, allows me to make an informed choice.
A note about CB's detractors:
It seems some people can't stand to see other people succeed. They act as if there were only a limited ammount of "success" to go around and "if you've got it, I can't get any". Like the (Democratic) theory of "wealth redistribution; wealth (success) isn't distributed - it's created!
Also, did you ever notice little birds swooping down, attacking the eagle at rest - not the other way 'round? Wink


"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."
-Thomas Paine, "American Crisis"
 
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