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After reading the last post on Selous Lions vs other areas of Tanzania I am getting concerned. I booked a 21 day with friends in the Rufiji area of the Selous for August 2007. My primary interest other than the numerous buffalo is lion and I get a chance at a TZ Elephant. I think the top picture in the previous post must be the exception rather than the rule as he is old and worn (like an older bald guy - no offense). There must be more hair on the normal male lion. Does anyone here have experience either seeing or taking lion in the Selous. I would like to see some photos if you have. I recognize that it will not be an MGM lion but I really prefer to not have a large, although male, "lioness" in my trophy room. Feel free to PM me if you wish or post here. And yes, I did have discussions with the PH who I trust completely. I just need to see an image in my mind of what a normal Selous lion is likely to look like. I know Luke Samaras hunts exclusively in the Selous (I think)and maybe others so there should be some photos or experience here. Appreciate all input.


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If you see a mature lion or elephant in the Selous, you should shoot them.

For every lion or elephant you hear of being shot in the Selous, you will find many more hunters who have gone after them and come back disappointed.


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I am not a lion expert but based on what PH's have told me, most wild lion that are shot have much thinner hair than those taken in high fence operations in SA. This is due to the thorn bush that wild lions live in and around. The long hair is pulled out. It is my understanding that many of the MGM lions taken by hunters come from South Africa. I have seen some nice lions taken in Tanz however so my assumption could be incorrect.


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Go to the African Hunting Reports forum and see Palmer's post "21 days with Pierre Van Tonder"
Allen got a beauty in the Selous!

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BigBBear,

Full-maned lion seem to be very rare in the Selous. During 21 days I saw 2 mature male lion in the Selous and I killed one and was extremely thankful to get it. I've attempted to attach a photo, hope its successful.
 
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Thanks for photo. Any chance to PM me with a full size so I can see it. My eyes just suck anymore and I would like to take a closer look. Looks like a nice lion though. Hair length is sort of what I was expecting. What block were you hunting in? I will PM you as well.


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I started to say I would get it to you this evening but with church services and the Super Bowl it will probably be tomorrow.

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Do not be misled into believing that the Selous rarely produces good maned lions. While lions from the Selous "rarely" achieve mane development similar to their brothers in the serengeti and western Tz, if given a chance to grow old enough, a selous lion will typically look like this picture below.



lions such as these next three are shot too young!







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J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa

hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset
 
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bwanamitch,


Old lions could be SHABBY. This one is 12 years old.



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You are correct but I was talking generally. Out of curiosity, which area was your lion taken?


"...Them, they were Giants!"
J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa

hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset
 
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Here is another picture of an old shabby lion which I believe may have come out of the selous!



"...Them, they were Giants!"
J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa

hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset
 
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