In due course the rifle arrived with the 100 rounds of factory ammo I ordered (a mix of softs and solids). At shot #1 the barrel band flew off the rifle. At shot #3 the extractor broke.

I no longer own this rifle, but I understand it is running well. It has not been to Africa.

I also echo Mac's comment on the Don Heath article; people interested in big bores need to read it! The factories that build these rifles need to read it too!

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Rusty Gun, your points are well made for what you CALL short stroaking, but what you describe is not short stroking! and in a CRF in working order cannot happen in the way you describe anyway. I think a better name for what we are talking about is an INCOMPLETE bolt stroke.

Thanks for clearing up the terms used, but... Can't the same term be used to describe pulling the bolt back, but comes short of ejecting due to a case of nerves, and push the spent round back in?

As you describe your rifles habit of picking up a second round before the first one is ejected is impossible,in a rifle that is in working order...

I did mentioned it happened because the ejector on my rifle was too short, because it was not in working order. I replaced it, and it works fine.

I wonder how many other Mausers unknowningly have short ejectors?
Try this... insert dummy rounds in the magazine. Push one in the chamber. Now, slowly pull the bolt back, stopping near the ejector, even touching it, short of ejecting... now push forward again. Does it pick up another round? ~~~Suluuq

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Originally posted by Rusty Gunn:
Originally posted by MacD37:

Rusty Gun, your points are well made for what you CALL short stroaking, but what you describe is not short stroking! and in a CRF in working order cannot happen in the way you describe anyway. I think a better name for what we are talking about is an INCOMPLETE bolt stroke.
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Thanks for clearing up the terms used, but... Can't the same term be used to describe pulling the bolt back, but comes short of ejecting due to a case of nerves, and push the spent round back in?

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I wonder how many other Mausers unknowningly have short ejectors?
Try this... insert dummy rounds in the magazine. Push one in the chamber. Now, slowly pull the bolt back, stopping near the ejector, even touching it, short of ejecting... now push forward again. Does it pick up another round? ~~~Suluuq

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Yes it could, but the phenomenon happens when a first shot is fired, and the rifle is reloaded in a hurry, and not because a deer is going to get away, but because your butt is on the line. This alone makes a person slam that bolt back as quick as he can. The brain gets in a hurry,when the bolt is shoved forward, and forgets to turn the bolt down, and loose to get to the trigger, in your haste the bolt is recycled, without turning the handle down. This is nothing but TIME lost in the reload with a CRF, but if it happens with ANY pushfeed, there will be a round lying in the loading tray, and the empty bolt brought to the rear will then pick up a second round. Two rounds do not fit in one chamber, and if the bolt is jammed forward now, driveing two rounds toward that chamber the rifle can be jammed bad enough it will require tools to clear it. This laps in attention to the COMPLETE JOB of reloading the chamber, only happens when one has a great deal to loose if it isn't done quickly. The mind does some strange things when your empending death is stareing you in the face!

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As I said if the rifle is in WORKING ORDER, "NO" it will not pick up a new round off the top of the magazine. The round has to ride up behind the extractor to get out of the magazine, and it can't do that because there is already a cartridge in there. The bottom of the bolt face is covered by the round that is in the bolt, and there is nothing to push the round in the magazine forward the 3/4" it takes to remove it from the magazine! With the explanation of short shift, above you will see that the sceenario you perpose, will not happen for another reason, and that is the shooter's hurry to reload the chamber will cause him to slam the bolt back with some force, ejecting the first round. If the ejector breaks off completely it will not pick up a new round, but as you say it would rechamber an empty. this, however, is a malfuntion of a broken rifle not a design flaw!

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