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Andrew, so this bull my son shot is OK?   | |||
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 A few years back I shot this kudu in Zimbabwe near Sissyvale while looking for leopard bait with PH David Amyot in early November just as the bush was turning into a green "screen". When David yelled to me that I'd "shot a horse", I told him no, that I'd shot a kudu. He had beaten me to the kudu and was already measuring him when I got there. He was 59 1/2" on one horn and 58 1/4" on the other, missing about 2 1/4 inches off the shorter horn. I paid the trophy fee instead of the bait fee, had Life Form mount him, and he sits in my trophy room. I am certain that Andrew, as well as Russell, would approve. | |||
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a real beauty. love that trophy. | |||
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 Really nice kudu, Sarg! ~Ann   | |||
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CJ McKelroy? Sounds about like what I had heard. | |||
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His name did come up. But there were others too. I think that is how the sick competition started in SCI! On my very first safari about 40 years ago, I shot what would have been the world's number one common reedbuck. My PH, who was an official measurer, suggested I enter it in the book. I have hunted and shot God only knows how many animals since then, and how many would have made the record book. That is not my reason for hunting. On many occasions, we have left the bigger animal alone, and shot one I preferred - broken horn, worn out horns, mis shaped horns etc. Which I think give a better character than just the sheer size of it. | |||
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For sure it was Mike Simpson( former SCI President) who admitted in federal court to shooting a moose in Russia from a helicopter. SCI did award him the door gunner award...  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I think there was a professional hunter who wrote a book detailing some of these shenanigans. Vanity sometimes takes over common sense. | |||
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For me that is a bruiser and everything I would look for in a Kudu. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Exceptional in my eye. Nice to see people posting pics of their Kudu whilst entertaining a light-hearted debate. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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There are two reasons to put an animal into a record book. You want your name in there, or you want the animal in there. Very different reasons in my mind. There is no shame in honoring an exceptional animal and showing him to the world. It helps those that haven't been there hope and dream. It says, look at this beast. This is still possible. Just like 100lb tuskers. It's good to see they still exist and there is hope man can be part of nature rather than its destroyer. Hell, yeah, I'd shoot a 200" muley or 70" kudu. Would it diminish the smaller ones that I have taken? No, and that is the point. Each was a unique experience and each has it's own story. In all of my grip and grin photos, the animal is in front (except my leopard on my shoulders). I'm just there to help show the animal's beauty. Jeremy | |||
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Well gentlemen, the tape matters not to me! when I see the animal in range that is a nice, older That is the animal that I'm in the bush for. That being said, I can see shooting a fine bull like the one in this thread simply because he has to be old or his horns would not be that long. The thing that I simply cannot see shooting, but for meat, or for bait, is a Scrum cap buffalo. I certainly would not mount it on my wall. I have never measured any animal I have shot, with the exception for the measuring fish to see if they were legal, or must be thrown back in the lake. with all that said, I don't think there is one person on this thread that would pass the animal that started this thread. ..................................  MacD37....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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But would you pass on this one if you would come across it? | |||
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Folks, I like the record books because they set standards and let's the novice or the experienced hunter pursuing a new species to him/her know what constitutes a representative trophy or a real monster. It also lets folks know where the best trophies are historically taken. To me that is all part of the research that hunters should be doing to give themselves the best experience. Having said that if we are talking mainly about Africa the experience is the trophy but I think most hunters would be happier with at least mature specimens and the record book provide a benchmark to go by. Personally I can't afford to shoot multiples of x,y and z animals just to have hunted them. I might shoot several of one species but only because I'm each time looking for a larger specimen and trying to out do myself. Fairgame can actually attest to that. We must have looked at several hundred puku one day on the Kafue river. I told Andrew if he was sure one was over 18 inches I would shoot it. To Andrew's credit he did not tell me to shoot and we did not get a puku. I had taken a 17 incher on a previous safari. I've entered a handful of trophies in SCI over the years but I've found it doesn't really mean anything to me and it's a PIA plus expensive. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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RW is the RECORD BOOK. SCI's offering is nothing short of silly copy of many illegally obtained "trophies". Farm bred animals, captured animals, transported so they can make a specific criteria, and some utterly stupid, selfish, non hunter can fly over and kill it so he has his name in a book. A whole industry sprung up in South Africa to feed these shameful characters. A few years ago you could see all these shameful faces on the websites of equally shameful outfitters. Funny how they have disappeared now! Good riddance! | |||
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Nobody I can see has mentioned ivory on kudu. I have 57” two and a half turn set on my wall with 2” ivory but I seem to recall Selous said he shot one with 6”? What have you seen? | |||
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I entered some animals from my first and maybe second safaris. I stopped . I don’t give a damn about the record book or the awards . Having said that, I do like to know certain measurements on animals . For example, buff width. Not score just width . That is a magnificent kudu without a doubt . I have to say that I have seen one in the mid 90’s that had one side that was considerably bigger . We estimated over 80. The other was about 50. Very bizarre. Never got a shot. | |||
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I agree with Larry. I have a kudo on the wall that, I think, is something over 50, but what I really love about him is that he was so old he had almost no teeth left. And he's pretty. There are some great looking animals being shown here. Makes me happy all over just thinking about them! Andrew, how did you get those horns so shiny and smooth? kh | |||
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--- LR3: FYI, that "ivory" that people mention is not really ivory at all. It's just a worn/polished pointed end of an antelope's horn. If anything, it might be a marker of maturity. Some PH's will point it out to clients making them think they've just taken a real winner. I have brought down a few top-10's that have no "ivory." And I've seen many young ones who do brandish "ivory." Based on these field experiences, ivory on spiral horned antelopes holds questionable value. | |||
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100% agree with you, Marc. I always equate the term 'ivory' referring to teeth/tusks, never horn. ~Ann | |||
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Some kudu show more "ivory" than others, and this does not depend on the size of the horns. I think it add to the beauty of the trophy. Had a sort of a jinx of kudu the first year I hunted. Could not get one. But, made up for it in later years. I hunted at the end of the season, and shot everything that was left on quota. Shooting several kudu and sable each season Great fun, and most were targets of opportunity, as we normally were hunting either elephant or buffalo. | |||
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I’m just curious really...has anyone ever submitted a RWard or SCI Trophy as a “John Doe” to just honor the animal? Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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All of the kudu posted are beautiful. I can't say I have sought out inches, but did put tape on some to better understand for the future. I have never considered entering anything nor do I think I ever would. FYI, I just read that SCI has created a new "book" for air gun trophies... I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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I won't be surprised if they don't make one for paint balls too!  | |||
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That’s a huge head but I reckon this one will look more impressive on the wall. Tell me how big it is? The photos posted by DLS, Fairgame and Use Enough Gun are all ripper kudu and nicer looking heads IMO.  The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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Shot one similar that went 50 but that looks alittle bigger. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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[/QUOTE] Shot one similar that went 50 but that looks alittle bigger.[/QUOTE] He went 58” which I was stoked with. I had no idea what size it was until it was on the ground dead. My guide was frantically telling me to shoot it as it ran off within seconds of us spotting it. I wasn’t even sure why he wanted me to shoot it as I’d shot a representative kudu bull only a couple of days previous. That one in your photo must be over 60”? One of the best looking heads I’ve seen I think, not that I claim to be an authority on such things. The hunting imperative was part of every man's soul; some denied or suppressed it, others diverted it into less blatantly violent avenues of expression, wielding clubs on the golf course or racquets on the court, substituting a little white ball for the prey of flesh and blood. Wilbur Smith | |||
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I've never carried a tape and never allowed a trophy to be measured before 2017. My taxidermist has given me tapes and a caping knife I'm not qualified to operate. But in 2017, my PH was convinced a Masai bushbuck we shot would make top 10. It is an awesome animal, but I allowed it to be measured. It missed top 10 by fractions, but it missed. And now I'm disappointed. Disappointed in an incredible trophy, hard-earned. A beautiful animal. I'm delighted with that bushbuck whether he missed top 10 or not. I'll never allow another tape on one of my animals. If you're hunting for inches, you are hunting for the wrong reason. MHO | |||
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Hear, hear! Harry Selby and I chatted about the record book one time and it was very clear those who came out solely because of inches did not have his favor. Said he tried very hard to always get good trophies, and he really enjoyed it when a good trophy came about, but he had an inches-obsessed client once who was shaking as he measured the horns, and that 1/4" meant the difference between euphoria and despair. Said it was ridiculous. I might be off-base, but i can't help but think that for people who literally spend their lives among the animals, who know them, who work their asses off to maintain habitat, who conduct anti-poaching efforts at considerable (sometimes personal) expense, and who have done so for decades upon decades - to have a hunter come and simply hunt for inches must in some way feel as though the hunter is denigrating the animal by simply reducing him to marks on a flexible tape. But that's just me. | |||
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Interesting reading everybodies thoughts on this. The original intent of record keeping was to celebrate the animal not the hunter and to my mind that's the way it should be. Sometimes I wish they would leave the hunters name out of it completely. But would I like to take a nice animal like the the one in the OP's post? Absolutely but I want to it to be by genetics, beating the odds and not by being raised by a breeder behind a fence. Most importantly I want to hunt it in a fair way. But that's just me.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Congrats to the hunter on taking a once in a lifetime trophy. Great looking Kudu. The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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Record books are good as reference works. In fact, if I ever took a world record or perhaps even a top 10 animal, I would feel some obligation to enter it in a book. As some have stated, however, in the minds of some hunters, the books are viewed more as measures of he-man status than anything else. Which is ridiculous, and completely ignores the huge role played by luck in hunting. I have also found it interesting that no one fails to weigh the tusks of any elephant he has shot. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Great post. I was going to mention weighing Ivory in my original entry into this thread but thought better of it. I've shot lots of remarkable stuff. Measured a good lot of it. I'm genuinely curious as to its size. I shot a giant of a Western Roan in CAR with Mike Fell. We were hunting in Erik Mararvs "Chinko River" area. We were within 30k of Joesph Kony and his LRA. The thing was as long as a small Sable. Erik saw it and asked me if we should measure it, I said sure. Without looking right now, it was over 33 inch's. Erik got out the SCI record book to see where it would be. IIRC it would fall #8. He asked me to enter it, I told him that maybe I would when I get home. never did. I see no foul in measuring stuff. I'm not quite sure why the preponderance of posters here do? There lies a giant difference between measuring after a trophy lay dead and asking before you shoot. I measured a big Mule Deer as well, it was so very close the magic 200" mark I wanted to know. I have never entered anything but see no harm in doing so. My biggest objection to the SCI record book goes back to serving on the SCI BOD for 11 years. (Phoenix Chapter) our close proximity to Tucson meant we had lots of SCI National influence. One of our board members was guy named Doug Luger. He was in charge of SCI's record book. He constantly harangued members to enter stuff. I did not care for him and that is my biggest objection to entering stuff. Morally, I see no reason why you cant put a tape to something you just killed. Funny, some here think its wrong to measure something you killed, yet think killing something, taking its picture and not returning any part of it home is OK. SMH. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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There's a ton of wisdom in that statement! | |||
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Or having it measured and booked before you even fly there! Tied in a barn, after it has been transported in either a plane or a converted tanker! | |||
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Very good points there. Also, Michael makes one in that most elephant ivory is measured and reported here, but they may have regulations regarding the weighing in certain countries. Didn’t one of the Arizona Writers (there were two with the other being AAzW or something) edit the SCI record book and was not happy how it evolved? I’m sorry if I’m wrong, but I seem to remember something similar. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Shooting an exceptional trophy is fantastic, provided it is actually hunted fairly. This only happens by luck Being at the right place, at the right time. SCI changed that. Made into a sick competition. Mostly for rich idiots who have no sense of what hunting actually is. Completely removing any value of what their trophies might have meant before. I remember reading an article in one of their publications, where one of their members shot something like 10 animals with 10 shots! Sitting by a waterhole in a farm in South Africa! This is what makes SCI such a joke when it comes to hunting, and their record book. | |||
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I had one client, a Chapter President, who after having shot his Leopard and Elephant to complete his Big 5, sent a confirmation of the kill from his sat-phone to SCI so that he could qualify for the Diamond Award and be presented with his certificate or whatever, at the next convention 3 months later. | |||
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Great Post. I hunted with a good friend of mine last year and he mentioned that if he would bump into a nice kudu bull he would like to take it. He has never shot a kudu bull before and we got a good on the bulls as area was dry. The farm is over 32 000 hectares and we were mostly after waterbuck, zebra and impala. While going through some very thick stuff in the middle of nowhere far away from any roads, we bumped into this kudu bull at 40 meters. He was unaware of us busy eating I told my friend this is a bull past his prime and he will only loose condition from then. He is not big but has very nice character, he asked me will it look nice on his wall next to the braai I said heck yes and he shot it. Yes he was not big but well past his prime look at the secondary growth I have never seen it standing out like that on a kudu before. Checked the teeth and they were worn and now it hangs next to his braai as an Euro Mount and except for tape hunters no one sees it's only a 48" Kudu.    Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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The late Nicky Blunt would comment that it had a good head. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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