Posting the following letter at the request of Ganyana...



Cheers,
Canuck

Very interesting as this has come up on this board more than once. How did Ganyana come to have this, or did he say?

Can't get any more clear than that. Puts to rest our previous "discussions" on this matter.

For those interested, I have a copy of the Mozambique Hunting Regulations. It is clear (to me at least) that those regulations do not allow a sport hunter to participate in a PAC hunt.

Regards,

Terry

Very interesting. Ganyana, can PAC hunts be pre-sold in Zimbabwe??

They have been and are sold in advance. But if your booked and no elephants raid crops your SOL.

465 H&H

I have always wondered how other outfitters pre sell them. We get a few permits a year for crop raiders, but you have three or four days to hunt them, max. We never get much advance notice they are coming available. If we have a client in the area, no problem, but most folks can't pick up and fly to Moz on 24hrs notice if one comes up. I gave up trying to sell them last year. Too hard to offer them and remain legal.

I once questioned a PH about this and his response was "that in Mozambique, any elephant not in the pot is a problem elephant"!!!!

So it says "PAC hunts are illegal in Mozambique", especially those sold in advance."

Does that mean that these hunts offered to a currently huning client are just somewhat illegal?

I'm confused...

-Steve

Steve,

We've covered this at least twice before. If one reads the regulations, it is clear that PAC hunts can't be sold nor may a client participate in a PAC hunt. In the past (regardless of what the actual law says) some have said, "Well there is the law and there is the law in Africa."

Well, we now have the written law and the interpretation/enforcement of the law by the proper authorities.

"PAC hunts are illegal in Mozambique"

So, in answer to your question, I would say that they are more than "just somewhat illegal".


Regards,

Terry

quote:

Originally posted by T.Carr:
If one reads the regulations, it is clear that PAC hunts can't be sold nor may a client participate in a PAC hunt.

Terry, can you post the regs covering PAC hunts? Thanks!

Email me and I will send them to you.

Regards,

Terry

Thanks Terry! I was mainly being a smart ass. Emphasis on ASS...

-Steve

quote:

Originally posted by Steve:
Thanks Terry! I was mainly being a smart ass. Emphasis on ASS...

-Steve

Steve,

Man you got to use those gremlins, I can never tell when you are serious.

Regards,

Terry

quote:

Originally posted by hhmag:
I have always wondered how other outfitters pre sell them. We get a few permits a year for crop raiders, but you have three or four days to hunt them, max. We never get much advance notice they are coming available. If we have a client in the area, no problem, but most folks can't pick up and fly to Moz on 24hrs notice if one comes up. I gave up trying to sell them last year. Too hard to offer them and remain legal.

hhmag,

Would you please explain what you mean, regarding getting a few permits a year, when the regulations state NO client to participate?

Sure, Saeed. Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. Our hunting area is quite large, there are 4 decent sized villages within it. When there is a problem animal (crop raider, etc.) and the villagers complain, the powers that be go out to put the animal down. Usually they just send out the permit to the guy holding the concession and he will go out and take it. Sometimes, especially closer to Tete, the Conservation guys come out en masse and do it themselves, but out where we are, only one or two rangers are ever there. In the past, when we have had clients in camp, the ranger with us has agreed to let the client take the first shot, but this year they were a bit more strict.

When clients or potential clients asked about PAC hunts in Moz, I never outright said no until this past year, but I also didn't do much to encourage them. I told people that if you want a PAC hunt, you have to be ready to go on a moment's notice and get there while the permit was still good (again, we had a history with the ranger allowing our clients in on the hunt).

This year, with Zim falling apart, Moz has tightened a bunch of regs and put a few more rangers afield. Many of the Zim operators are coming to Moz to conduct safaris and in areas, it can be downright crowded. The guy that owns the concession on which we hunt has told us that next year he will be allowing 4 other operators come into the area, so it's a moot point now anyway. I probably won't go back next year, as I don't see the quality still being there with 5 of us hunting the concession.