I would like to know from those who have one, how do like your pop-up peep sight which Jim Brockman makes for the Talley base/rings? What front sight modifications, if any, did you do? I have three rifles on the Model 70 action (two are factory Winchesters and one is a rebarrel in .404 Jeffery) and I think the pop-up peep looks great on paper. How is it in the real world?

I have two of Brockman pop up sights on Model 70 winchesters, one a 416 and I did have to change the front sight to a lower sight and a M70 375 H&H but the front sight worked fine. Both are the CRF safari express riles but made about 5 years apart. My son has the same set up on a CZ 550, 416 rigby, one of Jim's working rifles and it of course works very well also. I have also tried one of the Talley ghost rings but didn't care much for it as it is designed for permenent use or if you do use a scope then it is slide on after the scope is removed and slide off when the scope is reattached. Jim's design is always on the gun and "pops up" when the scope is removed. Brockman's is also adjustable for elevation and windage, the Talley for windage only. I think Jim's is clever, practical and a fast change over design. I recommend the product.I hope this helps.

Pathfinder, yes, that is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. For your front sights, did you leave the bead or change to a post? I tend to think a post would be better than a bead with a peep or ghost ring but I have never compared the two in a rapid fire shoot.

Wink,
I changed the bead to a post on the 416. In fact Jim sells them on his web site. I knew where to start the filing process since I knew where the bead sight hit and started at that height and filed a little and shot again until I had it dead on at 50yds. For close in DG rifles I like the post. It shows up plainly even in deep shadows.If you decide to go this route file just a little at a time as it dosen't take much to move the point of impact.Also if you email Jim with questions he's usually very good in getting back with advice/information. Good luck.

Wink- I put the pop up sight on my .416 model 70. I too am having to lower the front sight. Should have it dialed in now. Once I am sure of the proper front sight height, I'm going to put on a fiber optic bead.

There are two advantages for me in going to the peep sight. One is that it is easy for me to see the front sight and two, the target acquistion is very fast.

Hope this helped.

John

I have a fiber optic bead on my CZ 375 H&H and it is better than the bead front sight. I don't find it better than a post for quick access especially in the deep shadows. Also the fiber optic sights that I've used and seen are somewhat fragile when compared to the post front sight, a consideration when traveling abroad to hunt.

It is important to know that Jim's Pop Up Peep will not work with some scopes. For instance, it did not work with the Leupold VXIII 2.5X8 on my M70 SS .375 H&H. The pop up was too far back on the scope, so it popped up after the scope tube.

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It is important to know that Jim's Pop Up Peep will not work with some scopes. For instance, it did not work with the Leupold VXIII 2.5X8 on my M70 SS .375 H&H. The pop up was too far back on the scope, so it popped up after the scope tube.

That's interesting. All the scopes we use with the pop up Ghost Ring are vari-X IIIs, two are the 1.5X5 and one is a 1.75X6. Probably some small difference in scope design with the newer VX scopes. May be a good question to ask Jim.

Are these pop up peeps for winchesters with the .330 hole spacing? i have been thinking of one for my ss 375

I put one on a new Winchester 30.06 and had a NECG front sight put on. It is one with the small amount of vertical adjustment. I have the new FX2 fixed 4 power scope on it and it works 90%. Meaning I wish i could get a little more edjustment out of the eyepiece to clear up the sight picture. the sdjustment ring is very close to the peep and any closer it would hit. But that is artucular to that gun.

Talley also mentions a pop-up peep on their website but I havent actually seen on in person. I am guessing that it is either the same or very near that of Jim Brockmans.

_Baxter

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Originally posted by ScottW:
It is important to know that Jim's Pop Up Peep will not work with some scopes. For instance, it did not work with the Leupold VXIII 2.5X8 on my M70 SS .375 H&H. The pop up was too far back on the scope, so it popped up after the scope tube.

I spoke w/ Jim last month reference his Talley/Pop Up Peep and the LEU 2.5-8X. Jim said this scope causes issues because it has a very short ring mount spacing. He did say that he can make it work if he installs the mounts as he can modify them. The rifle we were discussing was the M-70 Safari Express w/ the opened action and .330" rear mount. I'm unsure if this applies to the standard M-70 action w/ .860" mount.

I had considered one of the Brockman pop-up sight for my new rifle that Lon Paul is building. We decided the rifle should be as bullet proof as possible and the Brockman is spring loaded. Springs rust and at least in theory the sight might fail to pop up. Just a consideration if your rifle might be used in damp or rainy conditions.

Mark

I hung one on my Montana actioned 416 Rem with a Leupold 1.75X6 VXIII. We ended up placing the peep on the front of the rear mount (spinning it 180) so that I'd have enough eye relief. As for the front, I went with an XS (formally Ashley) post with the white line down the middle. I have this front set up on several rifles and it has proven to be quick and accurate under hunting conditions.

Very good information gentlemen, my thanks to you all for your input. A few days ago I looked through an original Springfield 03 ghost ring/front post. This ring really does almost disappear and is aptly named a ghost ring. Some peep sights are in fact quite thick, actually blocking out some of the view. Which is Brockmans?

Mark - what did you decide to use instead of the Brockman? thanks

Lon Paul makes his own custom ghost ring peep that can be removed and replaced easily. This sight was on his rifle Phil Shoemaker did the recent article on in Rifle magazine. We planned to partner that with a NEG fiber optic front sight.

Mark

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Which is Brockmans?

Brockman's has a screw-in insert. If you want the opening bigger just unscrew the insert.
By the way, the Talley peep I had is a slide on/slide off peep but doesn't have elevation adjustments, just windage. The slide on/off peep is OK but I think the Brockman pop up peep is the best design...although I was not aware that the newer scopes could have some problems.

In my humble opinion, the Brockman sight is a great design. I also think it is best if incorporated into the original design configuration process. I have a 416 custom rifle and if the Brockman is added later then the sight package has to be rethought. It meant I had to raise the front sight and change the rear sight. Why leave the rear sight you say????Because all of my guns have integral ribs that I paid big bucks for. If you only want a peep sight you can eliminate the rear sight completely.