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If things go right, I plan a leopard hunt next year. I'll probably hunt SA unless things get a lot better in Zimbabwe. I have two rifles that I plan on taking, a 7x57 and a 30-06. Both are FN commercial Mausers. I'll reload 150 or 160 partitions in the 7 and 180 or 200 partitions in the '06. Can I use either of these on a leopard leagaly? thanks, capt david


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David,

Either cartridge is perfect and your bullet choice is excellent. My concern is why you would pick RSA for a leopard hunt. Overall RSA leopard are probably the most difficult to hunt and success rates are quite low. If you don't want to hunt Zim than there are numerous other choices.

Mozambique in the Niassa area is one that you can do quite economically and on a 10 day schedule which should be all you needs as the leopards are numerous and very unspohisticated.

Zambia on the Luangwa is probably the best leopard hunting in Southern Africa with basically 100% success

Namibia can be a great destination in the right place for a really big cat with dogs.

Whether it is RSA of anyehere else do not book a leopard because it is cheap. Often the cheap hunts have you killing a lot of expensive baits and no leopard.

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Ask Jeff H about going to Zambia once and getting his cat versus going somewhere else several times and not scoring. As Mark said, the guys in the Valley are about 100% on leopard and not too far behind that on lion. Have him hook you up with the DuPlooys or Alister Norton with Luangwa Crocodiles, you'll get your leopard.

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Capt.
I think (not sure) it is near impossible to get an exportable leopard in RSA if the hunting company does not have black ownership with BEG black PH's. "Some" RSA outfitters just want to get you there. Nature conservation changes the leopard permitting thing all the time. Like I told you in a previous post 5 sittings, 2 safaris, 2 cats.
Zambia my friend
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Wow - Now look, we have two "new" Leopard experts??. Capt., I'd be very careful taking "any" advice from the two previous posters!! You can count on Mark and a whole lot more here for some good advice. It's sad when you have to check references on the posters!!

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Don't mind Larry, he just has his thong in a wad because he's running late to the PFLAG rally. pissers
 
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To answer the original question, I believe that the answer is yes.
 
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Larry you can kiss my sweet white ass I know what a putz you really are but have kept it to myself. you might shut your piehole about things you know nothing about.

Hunting and having an opine about homosexuality are polar from one another.
 
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Boys....I can tell you FOR A FACT that the DuPlooys are 100% on the leopards and nearly so on their lions. I chose to go with them for that exact reason...and I got my cat. You don't believe it??...I don't give a $hit...it's a fact.
There are many others that have had great success elsewhere...good for them....I wanted to do it on the first trip.

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Just posted this for "one" reason, to see how long it would take chipo/ardvaark to sprew some more vulgar language? Not long, and very predictible as you all see. Certainly the Moderators here will realize we have a lot of younger folks reading these threads and curtail this kind of talk??

Chipo, you don't know anything about me, so don't flatter yourself. Oh by the way, what's an "opine"? I guess all you need to know how to spell are the vulgar words, fits you perfect!!


And back to the post. Capt - either rifle you mentioned will be more than adequate for the task at hand. If you find an outfitter in RSA that has a legitimate permit, chances are he has Leopard and importing to the USA will be no problem whatsoever. Check with USFWS before you hunt Leopard anywhere and get it straight from them as to what you need to do.

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Wow - Now look, we have two "new" Leopard experts??. Capt., I'd be very careful taking "any" advice from the two previous posters!! You can count on Mark and a whole lot more here for some good advice. It's sad when you have to check references on the posters!!

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Just posted this for "one" reason, to see how long it would take chipo/ardvaark to sprew some more vulgar language? Not long, and very predictible as you all see. Certainly the Moderators here will realize we have a lot of younger folks reading these threads and curtail this kind of talk??

Chipo, you don't know anything about me, so don't flatter yourself. Oh by the way, what's an "opine"? I guess all you need to know how to spell are the vulgar words, fits you perfect!!


And back to the post. Capt - either rifle you mentioned will be more than adequate for the task at hand. If you find an outfitter in RSA that has a legitimate permit, chances are he has Leopard and importing to the USA will be no problem whatsoever. Check with USFWS before you hunt Leopard anywhere and get it straight from them as to what you need to do.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Wow - Now look, we have two "new" Leopard experts??. Capt., I'd be very careful taking "any" advice from the two previous posters!! You can count on Mark and a whole lot more here for some good advice. It's sad when you have to check references on the posters!!

Larry Sellers
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The only one stinking this thread up is you.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Just posted this for "one" reason, to see how long it would take chipo/ardvaark to sprew some more vulgar language? Not long, and very predictible as you all see. Certainly the Moderators here will realize we have a lot of younger folks reading these threads and curtail this kind of talk??

Chipo, you don't know anything about me, so don't flatter yourself. Oh by the way, what's an "opine"? I guess all you need to know how to spell are the vulgar words, fits you perfect!!


And back to the post. Capt - either rifle you mentioned will be more than adequate for the task at hand. If you find an outfitter in RSA that has a legitimate permit, chances are he has Leopard and importing to the USA will be no problem whatsoever. Check with USFWS before you hunt Leopard anywhere and get it straight from them as to what you need to do.

Larry Sellers
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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Wow - Now look, we have two "new" Leopard experts??. Capt., I'd be very careful taking "any" advice from the two previous posters!! You can count on Mark and a whole lot more here for some good advice. It's sad when you have to check references on the posters!!

Larry Sellers
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Listen,

Cunt
Twat
Dumbfuck
Dumberfuck
Chimp
Douchebag

I was called all of that on the last homo post.
Review it looser, I never once used vulgar language. Ass you can say on network TV.
Look in the dictonary you pompass know it all
Opine, it's there.
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Now, now chaps, let's stick to the topic and stop getting personal eh? I think I will have to do some moderating here until Saeed awakens
 
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We made Larry feel guilty about his gay PH fantasy and now he's pissed.
 
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That does it. Adrook you're out of here buddy, back to the gay pride thread you go. Or maybe you can go back to googling those weird images
 
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Now, now chaps, let's stick to the topic and stop getting personal eh? I think I will have to do some moderating here until Saeed awakens


David now really, go look at the post at where all the really nasty stuff came from. It twasnt
I. I simply destest queers.
 
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Now, now chaps, let's stick to the topic and stop getting personal eh? I think I will have to do some moderating here until Saeed awakens


David now really, go look at the post at where all the really nasty stuff came from. It twasnt
I. I simply destest queers.


As do I. I have been attacked on multiple threads because I think homosexuality is a serious character flaw. I had no idea there were so many queer lovers on here.
 
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Opinion is the noun.

To opine is the verb.

You may opine on a topic, but what you are giving is your opinion.

JPK


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JPK, your correct, but as you can see Larry didn't know that. despite my fine writing here on the forum I did poorly in school. I know it may be hard to believe.
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I know this is a carry-over from the "Gay PH" post........

"So, is it OK to hunt Cape Buff with a 45/70 lever action with very hard cast bullets @ low velocity?"


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I know this is a carry-over from the "Gay PH" post........

"So, is it OK to hunt Cape Buff with a 45/70 lever action with very hard cast bullets @ low velocity?"


Azguy,
I like your style. Maybe I know you I'm in Prescott all the time
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captn - your 06 is a perfect spotted cat gun. they are not large or heavily constructed. mark has given you the best advice i can think of. i hunted prime spots in zim and still took 54 days to find the cat i wanted. zambia & duploys are on schedule for this year.
 
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Keep on believing that Chipo. Seems like you are the one to take the bait on this one. Here fishy, fishy!!

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JPK, your correct, but as you can see Larry didn't know that. despite my fine writing here on the forum I did poorly in school. I know it may be hard to believe.
Chipolopolo
 
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I used 30-06 on my leopard with 165 grain Barnes. I think it's an ideal caliber.
 
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Have you noticed that many homo-phobes are almost violently anti-homo publicly while trying to resist what they know to be their own homo-tendencies.

It's a slow day here in Jakarta; thought I'd share my medical and psycological expertise.

One of the biggest queers I ever met was a man in Venezuela on steroids, fancied himself a body-builder, always spouting anti-gay crap, and queer as they come.

Until you guys sort out all the mud slinging, I'm not sure I would feel comfortable being in a leopard blind with any of you.
 
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Have you noticed that many homo-phobes are almost violently anti-homo publicly while trying to resist what they know to be their own homo-tendencies.

It's a slow day here in Jakarta; thought I'd share my medical and psycological expertise.

One of the biggest queers I ever met was a man in Venezuela on steroids, fancied himself a body-builder, always spouting anti-gay crap, and queer as they come.

Until you guys sort out all the mud slinging, I'm not sure I would feel comfortable being in a leopard blind with any of you.


Yeah right. What medical expertise? I've yet to meet a physician or psychologist who would diagnose based on web postings. You can start by learning how to spell psychological.

So being anti-buttfucker means I secretly crave the bunghole? rotflmo What a crock of bullshit. To paraphrase old Sigmund sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes a homophobe just doesn't like queers.

Now, doesn't one of your "patients" have a bedpan that you need to go and change?
 
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Please, shut the hell up....... donttroll


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Please, shut the hell up....... donttroll


I've never heard of you, you have 92 posts in the past 2 years, yet you show up in the African Hunting Forum and tell me to shut up. Whatever. Roll Eyes
 
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Well....IF you want a cat AND you're gay....don't hunt with Alister....I'd suggest someone else. There's a a guy booking out of Key West I think. Gives away a pink safari shirt with palm trees on it.

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Have you noticed that many homo-phobes are almost violently anti-homo publicly while trying to resist what they know to be their own homo-tendencies.

It's a slow day here in Jakarta; thought I'd share my medical and psycological expertise.

One of the biggest queers I ever met was a man in Venezuela on steroids, fancied himself a body-builder, always spouting anti-gay crap, and queer as they come.

Until you guys sort out all the mud slinging, I'm not sure I would feel comfortable being in a leopard blind with any of you.


I wonder if I go post on a homo forum, African Hunters come out of the woodwork
Chipolopolo
 
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Originally posted by Kensco:
Have you noticed that many homo-phobes are almost violently anti-homo publicly while trying to resist what they know to be their own homo-tendencies.

It's a slow day here in Jakarta; thought I'd share my medical and psycological expertise.

One of the biggest queers I ever met was a man in Venezuela on steroids, fancied himself a body-builder, always spouting anti-gay crap, and queer as they come.

Until you guys sort out all the mud slinging, I'm not sure I would feel comfortable being in a leopard blind with any of you.


I wonder if I go post on a homo forum, African Hunters come out of the woodwork
Chipolopolo


Some of the African hunters on this forum will.
 
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Keep on believing that Chipo. Seems like you are the one to take the bait on this one. Here fishy, fishy!!

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JPK, your correct, but as you can see Larry didn't know that. despite my fine writing here on the forum I did poorly in school. I know it may be hard to believe.
Chipolopolo
 
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I believe the energy calculation cuts off at .270 Winchester. I'm sure the great cat has been killed with .243 Winchester. Lighter bullets at higer velocity is better in the 7mm or .308 calibers.
 
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JPK,

darn it, I had the answer and you beat me to the post. For those of you who went to public schools, what he means is:
1. an opinion is what you have.
2. opine is when you share it.

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Asshook, er Adrook, my guess is your 2731 posts have for the most part been useless drivel or I might actually remember one.

Good luck to you, and be sure to remember to ask your customers whether they want their order Super-sized.
 
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Dr. Kensco, I presume?
 
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I don't think any of my 92 posts on here were useless drivel that offended everyone...unlike the crap that spews from your mouth.


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You want a good leopard and close to 100% success and pay a LOT less than Zambia? go here:
John Sharp

As to your rifle/caliber choices, I like the 06 with 180gr Hornadys. Full disclosure; I've never taken a leopard. jorge


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Is this mindless drivel going to infect every thread on AR now?? I think by now everybody has gotten the point, a couple fellows really want to wear assless britches in a parade but hate themselves for it. Can a couple of threads at a time suffice for that message?


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Who interjected it into this thread? It wasn't chip or myself.
 
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