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After the discussion in Lion Survey part 1, I though this information would be interesting. It is compiled from the 2006 edition of PHAZ top 40. After initially including the client name I thought better and deleted them prior to posting (Zambia) Client Professional GMA Date Taken John Roxburgh Lower Zambezi 83 Franz Coupe Upper Lupande 88 Abie du Plooy Kuzume 86 Attie Crause Chisomo 91 Franz Coupe Upper Lupande 88 Cotton Gordon Chanjuzi 86 Charl Beukes/ W Cloete Upper Lupande 90 John du Plooy Bilili / Nkala 98 Mike Heath Sichifulu 99 Gavin Hume Kasonso / Busanga 06 Simon Burgess (?) Chanjuzi 06 Charl Beukes Upper Lupande 90 Granville Potgieter Mumba West 95 Charl Beukes/Z Langman Lower Lupande 84 PJ Fouche Mwanya 89 Austin Wienand Mulobezi 87 Fico Vidale Nyampala 89 John du Plooy Chisomo 95 Ross Seyfried Chanjuzi 86 PJ Fouche West Petauke 90 Alistair Gellatly Lower Lupande 99 Jeff Rann West Zambezi 89 Franz Coupe Kasonso 90 Jolyon Irwin kasonso 90 Mike Heath Lower Lupande 94 Athol Frylinck Luawata 03 Franz Coupe Lupande 85 Charl Beukes Upper Lupande 91 Jamie Wilson Nyampala 93 John du Plooy Upper Lupande 93 Granville Potgieter Mumbwa West 95 Cotton Gordon Chanjuzi 83 Cotton Gordon Chanjuzi 85 Don Price Mumbwa West 87 Bryan Findlay Cooper Lunga / Busanga 90 Arthur Taylor Lower Lupande 97 John Knowles Lower Lupande 99 John du Plooy Upper Lupande 93 John du Plooy Bilili / Nkala 98 Ross Seyfried Chanjuzi 86 Stewart Findlay Cooper Lumimba 86 Cooton Gordon Chanjuzi 87 Guy Robinson Mwanya 91 Rory Gellatly Lower Lupande 00 Adrian Carr Chifunda 00 I did a table that didn't import, But it includes PH, GMA, Year. BB | ||
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Sorry, but I'm not sure what this list represents? Also, a safari hunter in Zambia requires a Zambian PH; not many on that list. I don't see my PH listed. There are more than one associations in Zambia, if I recall correctly. Perhaps Aaron could comment? Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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If I understand correctly, the list is of the top 40 lions taken in Zambia from 1983 through 2006. It includes the PH's name that guided the hunt, the GMA and the year. It appears the area my lion came from in '06, Chanjuzi, is well represented "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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Oh, My apoligies. I took the liberty of taking this information from the Professional Hunters of Zambia official records (2006). It is the listing used for the annual awards to PH's by specie. It is published annually by Colin Dunn if I remeber correctly. It is available in Lusaka or ask one of you Zambian pals to bring one stateside in the winter. I thought that with Aarons listing of his preferred lion trophy area's it might be interesting. Problem is it is not indicitive of mane: only skull size. What GMA and PH were you with , I'll have a look and try to find it for you. What did your skull measure? BB | |||
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SBT, you must have the same issue I have. What amazes me is the amount that both Abie, Johnny du Plooy occupy the standings on virtually every species, for the last 20 years! BB | |||
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How can that be? According to certain posters on here they hunt shit areas that are shot out and overrun with coons.  | |||
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Buffalobeans - Quite an interesting list of Zambia's top lions, and where they came from! As you mention, its indicative of skull size only, but still interesting none-the-less. You mentioned that the list also included the hunter, but you chose to leave the names out, is that correct?? What about skull sizes, did it list that too???? It would be very interesting to see the sizes of some of these lions. LionHunter - Did your PH officially enter your lion into the Zambian Pro-Hunters awards, do you know??? It does appear to be a list of PH's old & new. Pepper_Tick - What are you talking about???? Aaron Neilson Global Hunting Resources | |||
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Aaron, Johnny and Abie hunt good concessions, I am referring to the following bullshit. http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7251077511 | |||
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I fowled up that last quote sorry, but I'm old. BB | |||
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Commander McBragg's maneless lion apparently isn't his only world record animal. Hmm....... http://forums.accuratereloadin...961065801#1961065801 | |||
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I see someone's bucking for the Andy Drook comemorative award!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Pepper_Tick I'm glad you cited adrook's postings regarding me. He got himself banned from AR as a result. Are you trying for seconds? There are many here on AR who know my identity and my records, which are all documented. Not difficult to find if you are really curious. ___________________ Everyone Else, Thanks for your kind comment about my Lion. It seems my PH may not have entered my Lion in the Zambia records; it is his responsibility to do so, not mine. I was made aware of this only minutes ago and informed my Lion would, in fact be #1 for Zambia by a substantial margin. I will, as a result of this knowledge, attempt to get him properly entered; don't know if I can or not as this is a PH association. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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i see the best lion entered from the 21st century is from Gavin Hume Hunters & Guides, Kasonso Busanga in 2006, a great Kafue area and a great PH for big lions, not cheap but among the best options in africa for a MGM free range lion | |||
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It is him. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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It had crossed my mind since he hadn't exactly gotten along with LionHunter. He's that pathetic that it wouldn't supprise me.  Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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A big, heavy body and a large skull are not necessarily indicative of an old lion, just that the lion has grown to its full potential in terms of body mass and skeleton structure. This is normally attained by age 3-4 in lions but the mane continues to develop to at least 6 years of age. What I mean by the latter is that by around 6 years of age, the mane will have reached its growth potential in terms of body area covered (head, neck, shoulders, chest and back of the lion), length and coloration. it continues to "grow" beyond age 6 but just in "thickness", replacing fallen hair and/or becomes darker in color. Very old wild lions (9 years or older) actually start thinning out on their mane and it can appear scruffy and will not be as thick and plentyful as when it was in its prime (around 6 - 8 years old). Some of the oldest and biggest maned lions I have seen had skulls that were under 24" and probably weighed less than 450lbs.  "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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