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Hunting and conservation
24 September 2012, 14:57
Mike AngelidesHunting and conservation
To the wise of AR,
An American journalist who is writing about the debate regarding hunting and conservation has contacted me (APHA). I don’t know if she is pro hunting or not and I do not want to enter into this debate at length with her, but I would like to give her some examples of how the two go hand in hand.
I am of course familiar with Tanzania, but I know South Arica, Zimbabwe etc has many success stories with conservancies, as well as the United States with mountain lion, white tail and even organizations like ducks unlimited.
I would appreciate any thoughts, facts on this, and as I said not only pertaining to Africa.
I will of course read your points on AR but feel free to email me as well.
executiveofficer@africanpha.org
Thanks
Mike
Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
24 September 2012, 15:08
shakariHi Mike
Good to see you here & welcome to the forum.
Articles 8, 10 & 11 here:
http://www.shakariconnection.c...unting-articles.html might be of help.
Oh & good luck with the project...... I have to say I trust the media about half as far as I can throw their collective arses.

24 September 2012, 15:29
Scriptusquote:
Originally posted by shakari:
..... I have to say I trust the media about half as far as I can throw their collective arses.
And as you are older, weaker, living the easy, relaxed life that you live over there, and I am told that even the lawn is too much these days, throwing anything around is a bit beyond.

24 September 2012, 15:35
shakariI can't argue with that my friend....

But didn't you leave out wiser?

24 September 2012, 15:45
JohnDLIt might be useful to do a search to see what previous articles this journalist has written.
If she has written previous anti-hunting articles, anything you give her would, at best, be taken out of context and used against hunters.
24 September 2012, 16:22
fujotupuWhatever you tell a journalist will never be published the way you said it.
Shakari has the right attitude!
24 September 2012, 17:44
shakariI learned my lesson with those bastards MANY years ago when I gave an interview to what I'd been told was the travel section of the (London) Sunday Times & it turned out to be the ordinary Sunday Times with the reporter turning out to be an anti...... he repeatedly misquoted me just to make a wildly ill informed anti hunting article....... Can't tell how angry I got.
Since then, I've been approached numerous times by various parts of the media & always made it a strict rule NEVER to let them take my picture (there's plenty on the net though) & NEVER to tell them anything at all except to either issue a press statement and/or to direct them to those articles & also to tell them I'll have no hesitation in suing if they misquote me.
There's no such thing as a trustworthy reporter.
24 September 2012, 17:52
bwana cecilSeems that dishonest reporters are worldwide. Kinda like politicians.
LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show.
Not all who wander are lost.
NEVER TRUST A FART!!!
Cecil Leonard
24 September 2012, 18:17
Mike Angelidesquote:
Originally posted by shakari:
NEVER to tell them anything at all except to either issue a press statement and/or to direct them to those articles & also to tell them I'll have no hesitation in suing if they misquote me.
There's no such thing as a trustworthy reporter.
Good advice Steve, I'll stick to facts rather than add my own opinions or speculations.
Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
24 September 2012, 20:55
fujotupuMike:
An American journalist .......I don’t know if she is pro hunting or not.
Once a Greek always a Greek!.......leave this woman well alone!

25 September 2012, 11:33
leopards valley safarisquote:
Originally posted by JohnDL:
It might be useful to do a search to see what previous articles this journalist has written.
If she has written previous anti-hunting articles, anything you give her would, at best, be taken out of context and used against hunters.
good point
25 September 2012, 12:48
Mike AngelidesThe woman is Yasmeen Qureshi
Video Producer
www.yasmeenqureshi.comc. 646-541-6704
Not much on her website to indicate anything.
I think I have to give her some fact rather than have her say APHA did not comment.
whats wrong with a Greek?

Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
25 September 2012, 14:08
shakariThe 'about' section of the website might (if you read between the lines') suggest she's a bit of a lefty & therefore possibly have a bit of an anti-hunting attitude but as I said previously, I wouldn't trust anyone from the media as far as I could throw them.
I'd suggest you give her facts and sources and nothing else. Certainly no personal opinion and nothing that can't be absolutely verified. I'd also be inclined to add something that said whatever you gave her must be used in it's entirety or not at all etc.
25 September 2012, 14:45
buckeyeshooteryep, the about section just screams--- lefty liberal bleeding heart! I'd not want to comment to her at all.
25 September 2012, 17:57
gerrybMike don't tell her a nickels a nickel sand a dimes a dime haha but do make sure you are quoted precisely. You might also look at wild turkey and alligators where the media here had them almost extinct now they are everywhere and have been hunted now for a number of years.you will be a great person to speak
For the hunters around the world
25 September 2012, 19:14
Safari2Mike
There was a really good article about the growth of game ranching in SA and its associated economic benefits that came out several months ago.
I will try to track down a link to the article.
25 September 2012, 22:13
Safari2Mike ..here you go.
It was published in April this year on a SA online Newspaper but it is one of those sites that "times out" after so many days.
I found the article again on Christophe's website...
http://www.grandsafariusa.com/...uccessful/#more-130625 September 2012, 22:30
Mike Angelidesmany thanks, very good article especially as it shows figures.
Much appreciated
Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
25 September 2012, 22:55
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
many thanks, very good article especially as it shows figures.
Much appreciated
No problem...I will keep looking as well..Mitch
25 September 2012, 23:10
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
To the wise of AR,
An American journalist who is writing about the debate regarding hunting and conservation has contacted me (APHA). I don’t know if she is pro hunting or not and I do not want to enter into this debate at length with her, but I would like to give her some examples of how the two go hand in hand.
I am of course familiar with Tanzania, but I know South Arica, Zimbabwe etc has many success stories with conservancies, as well as the United States with mountain lion, white tail and even organizations like ducks unlimited.
I would appreciate any thoughts, facts on this, and as I said not only pertaining to Africa.
I will of course read your points on AR but feel free to email me as well.
executiveofficer@africanpha.org
Thanks
Mike
Certainly an anecdotal example but I would say the return of game to Andrew Baldry's "Royal Kafue" is a fine example of hunting dollars driving conservation of natural resources.
Link25 September 2012, 23:30
shotgun46Well there is always a risk that a journalist will take our words out of context . But on the other hand if we never talk to the press we will never get our side of the conversation success we have brought about as hunters.
26 September 2012, 17:30
Mike AngelidesCertainly an anecdotal example but I would say the return of game to Andrew Baldry's "Royal Kafue" is a fine example of hunting dollars driving conservation of natural resources.
Yes, indeed we all know that how many dollars hunting brings to conservation and it is a good argument for hunting but and anti can argue that they will also give $X to "Royal Kafue" with out the need for hunting. I may be wrong but I heard Kenya stayed closed because the Anti's said they would match how much they could make from hunting, which they may have given but there wasn't anyone interested in keeping the farms off the Athi Plains so that the wilderbeest could migrate, if Athi Plains was a hunting block the holder would have raised all kind of hell (hopfully, or he may have just bribed to get a better Block...but lets not go there....)
What needs to be explained is how the actual act of hunting conserves. I believe there are more Whitetail in USA than ever in history! why? because of hunters who like to hunt them, hunters have done extraordinary research on whitetail so they are healthier, breed better, etc etc, why? to hunt them, one example of how through hunting there is conservation. The same happens with Ducks, how many Americans flood acres of corn fields to hunt 6 Ducks, 1000's of Ducks have easy feeding and actually have feeding grounds so that 6 a day can be hunted, (or what ever the limit is)
Thanks for all the help
Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
26 September 2012, 17:31
Mike Angelidesshe also send me this link, my internet is really slow so have not been able to watch it yet
you might find a television report recently shot in Texas quite interesting. It was about a similar topic, but examined the used of fenced ranches in Texas:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7396832n
Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
26 September 2012, 18:37
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
Certainly an anecdotal example but I would say the return of game to Andrew Baldry's "Royal Kafue" is a fine example of hunting dollars driving conservation of natural resources.
Yes, indeed we all know that how many dollars hunting brings to conservation and it is a good argument for hunting but and anti can argue that they will also give $X to "Royal Kafue" with out the need for hunting. I may be wrong but I heard Kenya stayed closed because the Anti's said they would match how much they could make from hunting, which they may have given but there wasn't anyone interested in keeping the farms off the Athi Plains so that the wilderbeest could migrate, if Athi Plains was a hunting block the holder would have raised all kind of hell (hopfully, or he may have just bribed to get a better Block...but lets not go there....)
What needs to be explained is how the actual act of hunting conserves. I believe there are more Whitetail in USA than ever in history! why? because of hunters who like to hunt them, hunters have done extraordinary research on whitetail so they are healthier, breed better, etc etc, why? to hunt them, one example of how through hunting there is conservation. The same happens with Ducks, how many Americans flood acres of corn fields to hunt 6 Ducks, 1000's of Ducks have easy feeding and actually have feeding grounds so that 6 a day can be hunted, (or what ever the limit is)
Thanks for all the help
Mike...I am sure in TZ you will cite the amount of land, apart from National Parks, that is dedicated to Game Reserves, Game Controlled Areas and open areas due to hunting.
26 September 2012, 19:50
shakariMike
You could also point out that according to the Frankfurt Zoological Society, the SGR alone holds more buffalo than all the rest of southern & east Africa combined...... & I'm sure they could supply you with plenty of other useful data as well.
27 September 2012, 08:28
CrazyhorseconsultingI agree with a lot of what the other responders have said. Go into ther interview with your eyes open and keep in mind this person has their own agenda. Hope it all turns out good, think of it as a learning experience.
Even the rocks don't last forever.
27 September 2012, 14:02
Scriptusquote:
Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
she also send me this link, my internet is really slow so have not been able to watch it yet
you might find a television report recently shot in Texas quite interesting. It was about a similar topic, but examined the used of fenced ranches in Texas:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7396832n
Why has no one gone after Farrell and investigated her brand of horse wallop the same HSUS has been?
28 September 2012, 12:08
fujotupu[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
The woman is Yasmeen Qureshi
Video Producer
Not related to Faroukh by any chance?
28 September 2012, 12:22
Mike Angelidesquote:
Originally posted by fujotupu:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
The woman is Yasmeen Qureshi
Video Producer
Not related to Faroukh by any chance?
hahaha That would make things very easy!
Professional Hunter
GM Danny McCallum Safaris
Executive Officer APHA
28 September 2012, 14:00
fujotupuquote:
Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
quote:
Originally posted by fujotupu:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Angelides:
The woman is Yasmeen Qureshi
Video Producer
Not related to Faroukh by any chance?
hahaha That would make things very easy!
One never knows.....could be his "cousin sister"