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Good for you ALF. I hope you can at least get your money back. He (GS) should have not taken orders (money) that he could not fulfill, plain and simple. Anyone under these circumstances I would think would feel ripped-off.

Taking money with no intention or capability of fullfilling the 'contract' must surely be fraud. GS must be technicaly bankrupt many times over.

Sounds like there is a hell of a business opportunity for someone with some technical knowhow and some hitech machinery allready financed but not fully utilised due to the downturn in engineering/manafacturing.

If these guy's are trying to finance their business five fold, they are doing it with the money they have been ripping off from customers, probably planned it that way from the start. Or else it's a con job, either way they're low life crooks.

I was set to spend some money with them about the time I found this site, lucky for me you guy's are on to them and got the word out. Thanks!

Alf, another problem is the lying. I have experienced them telling me that the product had shipped when in fact that was untrue. Now I must assume that everything GS Custom says is untrue.

It would not be wise for anyone to place an order with GS Custom.

Really, the explanation appears to be quite simple, Gerard and his family started a successful small business but the cash flow was not sufficient to support all of them and pay the bills for the essential supplies, labor, machinery, whatever. So they lived off of deposits and pre-payments for goods and now they don't have the capital to deliver. I think most of the "lost in the mail" excuses are pure BS and were just easy means of buying time and thus, more deposits from other unsuspecting customers. Sounds like bankruptcy to me. I may be wrong, but most other possibilities would be more fraudulent and include intent. I don't think they started out to defraud anyone, they just fell into a trap by using today what they HAD to have for tomorrow. All this is pure speculation on my part, but I've followed the "story" for quite a while and feel that something on this order is the most logical explanation.

To all those concerned.You may want to check this site out www.groovebullets.com Regards

I don't see the need to expect nothing from GS Custom.

Wehave at hand excellent bullets (Fails Safe, Barnes, Nosler, etc, etc)

So, why the waste of dollars and time ? Just to get another excuse...

M 2 cents

I've looked at the Groove Bullets, but they do not have anything over a .338 caliber nor do they have any solids. Other than that, they do look promising. However, I am leaning towards Woodleighs once my GS supply runs out.

Longbob:

While I haven't tried any of the Groove Bullets yet, but a friend did try some of their prototype .375s and they were very accurate. I think they went back to the drawing board to get more weight. As far as solids go, to my simple brain, since they are using CNC machining, producing a solid should be no great chore.

Hi ,
was there any delivery since the beginning of the year ?
heard some people saying they got deliveries ..

Regards,

Ed

Cat,

Thanks for the info. I was curious about the solids and larger calibers. On Groove Bullet's website they make reference to the solids, but you cannot order any of them.

I'll admit that I'm a little gunshy about these new bullet companies. When I ordered from GS Custom, I had quite a bit of trouble getting my order. But all of it finally showed up. I consider myself lucky.

Hello All,

A little background on myself and Groove Bullets.

I started in the Tool & Die Making trade in 1968 and have been at it ever since. I started my own Tool & Die Job Shop in 1994. I have been hunting since 1965.

I started machining my own bullets about 3 years ago, just as a hobby. As I look back on it now I laugh at some of my old designs, some worked, most didn't. Through the process of trial and error I have come upon the current, tested and proven design. There is one major difference between Groove Bullets and GS Custom bullets. Theirs has bumps, Groove Bullets has Grooves. This may not be apparent to most who look at them side by side but the concept is totally different. With Groove Bullets the reloader can get the bullet close to the lands and still have plenty of bullet pressed into the case and most bench rest shooters will tell us how important that is to obtain repeatable accuracy.

When I first started making Groove Bullets, for sale to the public I introduced 4 calibers only, for good reason. I wanted to make sure I could supply the buyers. I am in the process of introducing new calibers and "types" of bullets for various purposes. I will not introduce another caliber or type without having sufficient stock. One of the "types" is a solid.

A couple of months ago Mother Nature played a cruel joke on me. I had 4 tons of copper rod and 17,000 bullets at the machining center. The 338 caliber bullets were shipped out on Friday and the balance of the 17,000 bullets were to be shipped out on the following Monday. Mother Nature sent a tornado through on Sunday. I lost 4 tons of copper rod and 17,000 bullets in that tornado. I immediately called my copper supplier and ordered more rod. It took 5 weeks to obtain more rod and have it ground, ready to make bullets again. At the present time the machines are running, turning Groove Bullets.

I had planned on introducing the new calibers and types on the first of June but because of this tornado my plans were set back. As soon as I have resupplied my stock for the exhisting 4 calibers and I have enough stock of the new calibers and types I will introduce them to the public.

Should any of you have questions, do not hesitate to ask. I will do my best to reply.

Don

The real problem is that GS bullets are about the best damn thing since white sliced bread..but Bridger bullets has a identical solid and they sure do shoot good..Maybe Bridger will make a Hollow point next.

Ray,
Do you have a web adress of Bridger Bullets ??
If not what about a fax number?
Thanks!!

Regarding GS then I got my 330 grs .416 bullets a month ago. But I still have some .375 bullets and a custom run of 150 pcs of 800 grs .585" bullets which are not delivered (orderd 18 months ago). Gina told me they had machinery trouble. I just cross my fingers for the future of GS.

Urlik, You can contact me at info@bridgerbullets. The following link will take you to a prior post on AR, which detailed where I am in the licensing process. If you send me your email I will put your name on the mailing list for updates when anything changes.
John

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[ 06-26-2003, 20:19: Message edited by: fritz454 ]

You should try buying master crafted bladework. This happens to half of them. Get the reputation and then overload.

I got the first 585 GS bullets he made.Great service back then. What a shame..

Karl.