Just read a letter in Science 365:6456) pg 874 titled "Trophy hunting bans imperil biodiversity". Its a pretty strongly worded letter signed by 134 scientists. Their affiliations are international. Its a pretty strongly worded letter. It identifies a number of factors that we as a group tend to cite. Pretty nice to see some support from a broad-based scientific community.

Its not 100% positive, mentioning room for improvement, but it is a powerful statement.

That’s a good sign.

Of course, there will always be room for improvement, if nothing else as the state of knowledge improves.

If you get the scientists away from the emotional types, they usually are pretty pragmatic.

Might sound good but 134 scientists will be trumped by millions of pine cone eaters and dogooders politicians
Just like 100+ scientist are skeptical of Global Warming gloom and doom and Million’s of chickens little are ready to go the way of Do Do birds

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bob19 days ago
did they ask nelly or the whales if it improved there out look on life

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Clamidia
Clamidia19 days ago
Mankind does not own the earth

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Bill Strong
Bill Strong18 days ago
Dr Amy Dickman of Oxford University’s Wildlife Conservation Research Unit, is talking sense & is right on the money.

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Mustaphapinnion
Mustaphapinnion19 days ago
I do not condone killing a beautiful animal like that cat, I would quite happily kill the hunters.

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AKT
AKT19 days ago
So. "SCIENTISTS" say killing endangered species is GOOD? NO WONDER SCIENCE IS NOT BELIEVED ANYMORE!

  

The last comment by the loon nails it (except for the "endangered" part. I think they use "endangered" as a "trigger" word) - true science is no longer relevant. All that matters is feelings...liberal, western, "woke" feelings.

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Originally posted by Cazador humilde:
The last comment by the loon nails it (except for the "endangered" part. I think they use "endangered" as a "trigger" word) - true science is no longer relevant. All that matters is feelings...liberal, western, "woke" feelings.

And isn't that sad! What have we come to?

We live in a time where neither courtesy nor sense is common. In fact, we live in a society where people rail against common sense as a mental illness in favor of some fantasy/utopia/or arbitrary ideology. We are heading back into an anti-civilization/civility time. It is digression of humanity.

I just hate the natural disconnect with the left, or whatever groupnthis folks belong to. They try to teach us gay is natural. Then they tell me sexualality is fluid which sounds more like choice to me. But hunting which is one of the oldest, if not the first, human activities is some how abhorrent.

Ask the whales! Did anyone ask the seal about the Great White eating it, or the shark about the Orca eating it (not a whale by the way)m the zebra about the lion, or the old and wounded male lion starving while the Hyenas start eating him alive?

Words do not exist to express my frustration. If humans do not own the earth who does. If we do not own the eart, then why do hunters in the face of this ignorance push the stone up the mount to keep wild animals in wild places? I know the answer.

Things like those comments make me glad I am not going to live forever. I hate to see it a hundred years from now,

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I just hate the natural disconnect with the left, or whatever groupnthis folks belong to. They try to teach us gay is natural. Then they tell me sexualality is fluid which sounds more like choice to me. But hunting which is one of the oldest, if not the first, human activities is some how abhorrent.

Ask the whales! Did anyone ask the seal about the Great White eating it, or the shark about the Orca eating it (not a whale by the way)m the zebra about the lion, or the old and wounded male lion starving while the Hyenas start eating him alive?

Words do not exist to express my frustration. If humans do not own the earth who does. If we do not own the eart, then why do hunters in the face of this ignorance push the stone up the mount to keep wild animals in wild places? I know the answer.

Things like those comments make me glad I am not going to live forever. I hate to see it a hundred years from now,

Amen!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
We live in a time where neither courtesy nor sense is common. In fact, we live in a society where people rail against common sense as a mental illness in favor of some fantasy/utopia/or arbitrary ideology. We are heading back into an anti-civilization/civility time. It is digression of humanity.

https://eurekalert.org/pub_rel...0/tuoh-vat102819.php



NEWS RELEASE 28-OCT-2019
Viable alternatives to trophy hunting exist, say scientists
THE UNIVERSITY OF HONG KONG


A recent letter in Science cited a lack of alternatives to trophy hunting. The authors suggested that bans on imports of hunting trophies would undermine biodiversity conservation efforts, but offered weak evidence of any positive conservation gains specific to trophy hunting.

In a response published in the October 25, 2019 issue of Science, a group of scientists summarize evidence of negative effects of trophy hunting and offer more viable and equitable options.

These authors emphasize that the proposed trophy import bans provide impetus to shift to more sustainable practices, including land-use and ownership reforms, diversified tourism, and environmental investments, that do more to benefit and empower local communities.

The authors come from across the globe and work in high biodiversity countries. Despite pressure in some regions not to comment on trophy hunting, 71 signatories supported the letter.

Dr. Jorgelina Marino of the University of Oxford and co-author of the letter said: "To safeguard the future benefits of nature for all, governments and conservation organizations must embrace sustainable and equitable options. Trophy hunting fails on both counts in most cases".

Dr. Mucha Mkono of the University of Queensland and co-author of the letter said: "Trophy hunting is not the long-term solution to Africa's wildlife conservation challenges. Responsible governance, characterised by accountability, rigorous, evidence-based policies and actions, and appreciation of wildlife value beyond the economic, is."

Dr. Katarzyna Nowak from The Safina Center and lead author of the letter said: "As public opinion in major consumer countries shifts away from trophy hunting, more support can be lent to innovative, more ethically acceptable, economically viable conservation approaches and activities that also, and importantly, bolster local culture, women's participation, and self-determination of wildlife-wealthy communities."

Professor Andrew Dobson of Princeton University said, "Trophy hunting is at odds with more sustainable photographic and cultural tourism and too rarely brings lasting benefits to local communities."

Professor David Lusseau of Aberdeen University and co-author of the letter said: "Many people want to more actively participate in conservation. One way for them to do this is to put money toward conserving habitats and species by leveraging financial strategies, such as decentralized markets made possible by blockchain. This is a more equitable and inclusive approach to biodiversity conservation."

Alternatives mentioned by the authors are already rooted in real examples such as GainForest, elephant coin, Kariba REDD+ in Zimbabwe and Chyulu Hills REDD+ in Kenya, sustainable enterprise development, coexistence approaches such as those of Lion Guardians and Ecoexist, and conservation-compatible agriculture for example It's Wild in Zambia.

Dr. Hannah Mumby of the University of Hong Kong and co-author added: "The public are showing willingness to make big shifts in behavior in response to environmental concerns. We can harness this momentum and will to change by extending the precautionary principle to the hunting arena."

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Original paper in Science reported by BBC News: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49524189

Folks, I know it’s not the spot, but this next election is about all of it... All of it.

There is not a single actionable item in this - just “ideas” and “equity.”

I think the Batswana have just shown this idiot Professor Andrew Dobson what they think of his comment, when then voted Masisi into power with a landslide victory

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Folks, I know it’s not the spot, but this next election is about all of it... All of it.

Unfortunately, you are spot on. Decent folks of all affiliations have to unite. Congress has turned into a real life Sodom and Ghammora (sp) where its members are elected based on how perverse and anti-American they profess themselves to be.

Hunters are now publicly shamed and ostracized, as are Christians, while perverts and freaks are celebrated as role models.

BH63

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Originally posted by BuffHunter63:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Folks, I know it’s not the spot, but this next election is about all of it... All of it.

Unfortunately, you are spot on. Decent folks of all affiliations have to unite. Congress has turned into a real life Sodom and Ghammora (sp) where its members are elected based on how perverse and anti-American they profess themselves to be.

Hunters are now publicly shamed and ostracized, as are Christians, while perverts and freaks are celebrated as role models.

BH63

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by BuffHunter63:

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Folks, I know it’s not the spot, but this next election is about all of it... All of it.

Unfortunately, you are spot on. Decent folks of all affiliations have to unite. Congress has turned into a real life Sodom and Ghammora (sp) where its members are elected based on how perverse and anti-American they profess themselves to be.

Hunters are now publicly shamed and ostracized, as are Christians, while perverts and freaks are celebrated as role models.

BH63

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My Kaindu community has threatened to sue the Daily Mail in UK regarding an embargo on trophy imports.

I have sectors of my community who are teetering between life and death. Remove my incomes and people will die.

Funny they have gone really quiet?

We presented them an invoice for loss of income and my Chief will travel to UK and will be knocking on their door claiming colonialism and to a certain degree racism.

Andrew,

You raise an interesting point. Africans spent decades trying to overcome colonialism and they succeeded. Isn't all this refusal to import legally taken trophies based upon the quotas set by African governments just more colonialism? European/Western attempts to control the African people from self-determination? Couch it that way and I wonder how the elite/liberal's could deal with it.

Force the antis and liberals to admit they believe they know what's best for Africans and should be able to dictate policy = Colonialism. Not really consistent with the liberal mantra.

But don't think liberals (at least those in positions of authority) really care about people. They don't. They care about power.