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I asked my gunsmith about increasing my magazine capacity and he suggested instead loading three round into mag and then taking the bolt out, attaching round to the bolt and then feeding it into the chamber, holding the mag rounds down. Mauser action. Comments? | ||
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I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about when you say take the bolt out and attach a round to it, then feeding into the chamber!  The way I load a controlled round feed rifle is to load the magazine full, then place an additional round on top of the mag rounds. While pressing them down (they will depress but not enough to accept the last round into the mag), slide the bolt forward. The rim on the top round, which is not clicked into the mag, will slip under the extractor and onto the bolt face. Continue sliding the bolt forward and crank it down. There is no need to remove the bolt from the rifle. Many currently designed and produced CRF actions will allow the extractor to simply pop over the rim anyway but I prefer the above method. | |||
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Todd has it right but I have heard some say they cannot depress the 4th round into the magazine enough to allow it to slip up onto the bolt face, behind the extractor claw, so as to have the oft called "1 up 3 down". I must say I would find it unusual to have 3 or 4 rounds in a Mauser type magazine so tight to not have a bit of 'spring' left to allow another round to be depressed slightly on top, only has to be a 1/3 or 1/2 a round at most to allow the bolt to pick up. I can see what LR3 is saying in slipping a round onto the bolt face with the bolt out of the rifle. A proper fitting claw extractor should hold a big round to the bolt face in a horizontal position without it falling off so a 4th round could be feed this way as LR3's gunsmith has suggested but I would find this a pretty awkward way to achieve 1 up 3 down. I have used this method when using an empty case and bullet just gripped in the case mouth when doing a free-bore or throat length check where a over length dummy cartridge like this would not fit or feed from the magazine | |||
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With some of my M98's it is easy to add the fourth or fifth round by first sliding the front of the bolt just over the top rounds base in the mag (so it cannot pick this one up) then place your left thumb over the bolt thus preventing it from moving back or forth then with the right hand clip the additional round under the extractor claw and than line up with chamber and close the bolt. You would be surprised how many guys I've met (including PH's) that think their M98's or Winchesters only hold three rounds and are pleased to be able to fit a fourth easily. | |||
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I have twelve big bore rifles made on Mauser actions, and every one has the front side of the extractor beveled so a round can be placed dirrectly in the chamber and the top round in the magazine held down so the bolt doesn't catch it and when closed, and bolt handle turned down snaps over the rim of the chambered round. This is a condition that allows a shooter, when he runs dry, to be able to single load dirrectly in the chamber till he has time to reload the whole magazine! ....................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Thanks for the input. I m not able to slide a fourth under the bolt. Yes it is a little awkward to do. I like the idea of being able to easily slide another round in. If I may ask who was the gunsmith who did that work for you on all your bolt claws? | |||
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LR3 I did the work myself on the military actions, and the Whitworth actions are a direct copy of the FN commercial actions, that are even made on FN equipment sold to Zastava by FN, and like all commercial real Mauser actions are made that way at the factory. Any good gun smith can bevel the extractor for you! ....................................................................... ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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My factory zastava would not feed as the factory "beveling" was excessive so I replaced the extractor and now it will not pop over a rim single feeding. I guess the moral here is be careful taking too much off. My CZ and winchesters all work fine and in addition if you press in the middle of the extractor while closing bolt it will flex the claw outwards and make it easier to snap over rim White Mountains Arizona | |||
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Thanks Mac | |||
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Even if you extractor is not beveled, you can reach underneath with your left had, depress the extractor in the middle flexing the claw slightly outward and this will assist the extractor snapping over the rim Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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+1 It is an easy fix for any competent gunsmith or even any owner once you have seen how the extractor needs to be beveled. Mark Penrod did a couple for me and I now do them myself. Not much more involved than polishing a feed ramp. | |||
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My type A Mauser opened up to 404 from the original 10.75x68 cartridge with no mods to the magazine well in terms of depth (still original Mauser stock), easily allows a fourth round to be held down into the magazine enough for the bolt starting from the fully rearward position to pick up the 4th round under the extractor i.e. it is a three and a half magazine. I have often thought about bevelling the extractor to allow push feed but I have seen some caution about this practice as it can potentially lead to breaking the claw off the extractor. I haven't seen or heard of any of these breakages myself and concur that many like MacD37 successfully accomplish the bevelling process. I have erred on the side of caution and left mine as controlled feed only, happy that I can at least start with 1 up and 3 down. If I need any more I think I might look for the nearest tree and hope like hell it isn't a leopard I,ve gone and wounded  | |||
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