Kevin,

Get her a .375H&H. My wife can shoot it without difficulty; as a matter of fact, three different women have fired my .375s, and none have had a problem with recoil.

Just don't tell her that it recoils.

George

My 9.3x63 with 320 gr. solids is only going 2300 fps (3759 ft-lb(f)). I don't think meeting the Zim minimum is possible with the baby 9.3x62, even for Ray with his 32" barrels.

Some have claimed that the 9.3x62 kills buff better than the .375 H&H. Of course somebody will claim that the 9.2x62 kills better than the .505 Gibbs.

So this is not an answer to your question, but you could use it whether it is legal or not. I don't know that I would choose the country of destination just based upon a 9.3 being legal.

Kevin,

I KNOW that Zimbawe states a minimum of a 9.2 caliber, delivering a muzzle energy of 5.3 kilojoules, for hippo, buffalo and elephant.
If you can handload your 9.3x62 to achieve that then it's legal to use it.

B.Martins

Gents, the man's question was where is the 9.3x62 legal; not a request to be talked into a .375. I, too, am very interested in where the 9.3 caliber, per se, is and isn't legal for dangerous game.

Who cares? Just get yourself a .375H&H, which is "buff-legal" everywhere.

George

I guess I have to tell people why I'm asking to avoid everyone qustioning my motives or sense.

For the record, I have a 416 Rem.

This would be a rifle for my wife, hence more compact to fit her better and minimum recoil and weight to do the job.

I ask legally because my Whelen with 270 gr North Forks would probably do the job just fine but would not be legal.

You can't get a 9.3x62 to 5300 Joules. How that is legal must be based on some kind of new math.



The penetration index (for what value it may have) is similar for the .416, the .375, and the 9.3x62 with heavy bullets. At some point bullet energy means something, if only anyone knew what it is.



I hope to soon find out if the wonders of the 9.3 are true, as it is a powder puff compared to the 416 or even the .375.

PH's in ZIM think that the 9.3 x 62 is legal for buff there. I understand it is also legal in SOME but not all states/provinces of South Africa. In Tanzania, the .375 is minimum. Maybe someone can comment on Botswana, Mozambique, the Congo, Cameroon and CAR.

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The ctg is ballistically equivalent to a 9.3x74R and it's legal in Zim. Might also meet the Namibian minimum energy number, depending on load. Here are those regs:



Smallest calibre 7 mm.

Minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity): 1350 Joule for springbuck, duiker etc.

2700 Joule for hartebeest, wildebeest, kudu, gemsbuck, eland etc.

5400 Joule for buffalo, elephant, rhino etc.



No solid point cartridge is allowed to be used on antelope or any other species.

!! Handguns and automatic weapons are prohibited. !!



Buffalo hunting is very limited in SA right now, expensive to boot, and I don't think it makes the minimum in Limpopo which is where you would be hunting them. That province requires a 375.

What is "technically" legal is largely irrelevant in Africa where 9,3 bore diamiter is legal. There are published loads by RWS (258 grn) that make the minimum energy requirements in the 9,3x62 and 9,3x74R whilst the 9,3x64 has more muzzel energy than a .375 H&H (on paper).

Who cares? The game scout doesn't know a 9,3x62 from a .416 let alone the fine line between a 9,3x62 and a 9,3x64.

Also, I and I am pretty sure this applies to the vast majority of African PH's would much rather see a client arriving on a buff hunt with a 9,3x62 than a .416 - assuming the client can shoot that 9,3. As a PH you only really have to earn your keep when the client fluffs a shot, and after a clean run of 38 one shot kills on buff with a 9,3, I may conceed the superiority (on paper) of the .375 but am actually quite happy with a 9,3.

I would quite happlily take out a client armed with a .30-06 for elephant if he is a good enough shot. My last three elephant (that I have shot as oposed to clients) Have all been taken with 7.62 ball. All on foot at night. It isn't hard and doesn't require any thing fancy.

Alf,

(Did you ever get Jamieson's 500?)

In this case, it may not be so black and white in one regard, in that the gov't game scout, bless their souls, are armed to supposedly protect the hunters, armed with a 7.62. But a 9.3 is illegal!

I have only hunted with one that I perceived that he knew what he was doing, and a good guy to boot. I have had others run at the first sight of danger or be so stoned as to be dangerous.

TUG weight is 293grains, and this gave sufficient energy, but I'm not so sure about the bullet efficiency, even if I love TUG bullet on animals like Buff or Ele.

But there are Woodleigh bullets....

Hi Alf - point taken. Still African legislation is notoriosly unclear! In Zim classes of game are specified by caliber, Bullet or bore? I remember a bloke being picked up for hunting a Kudu with a .270. Legal minimum is 7mm. However, bullet diamiter for a 270 is actually just over 7mm. At least we amended the regs here to make sure there wasn't a problem with the 9,3. Even the crono results for a 286grn bullet make it. Consiquently a .376 styr may be legal as well.

Will, Accuracy always wins with elephant except perhaps in the jesse or anywhere where you cannot get a clear shot at over 5 paces. For buff, a bit of hosepower is necessary but having watched a buff take 17 hits with a .375 and keep commin or 4 hitss (frontal) with a .577 and toss the shooter I am not convinced on the balance of what I have seen that power is all. In the buffalo erradications the buff were driven on to us with a helicopter and when the herds were too big we would often be over run. Almost all shots were frontal, and in the closing stages if the one or two running directly at you didn't stop you had a problem. I started off with a .375 and moved onto a 9,3 because the 9,3 was a better rifle - nothing to do with the round. Many men used 7.62 and got away with it, others used big rifles and not all of them did.

I know what I've seen and done - including stopping a genuine charge with a double tap from my FN on a buff, but I still really like the feel of some horse power in thick cover.

Ganyana,

I think we have come to an impasse.

Ganyana,

I agree that the 9.3 is "legal" as far as any practical consideration in the field.

But for the rest of your post, I would question the advisibility of us desk jockeys going buff or elephant with a 30-06. The proviso of being a "good shot" doesn't mean much when the buff or elephant is "coming."

In this case, I do believe there is no such thing as too much gun. The bigger the gun the more likely you will turn or knock down an elephant or a buff. And the PH may or may not be a "good shot."

.

Will,

I think this is one of those itches that just won't quit until I scratch it. I hate those . I'm sort of small statured (5'6", 175 lbs) so these medium class cartridges are appealing to me.

Redlander