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Probably very little left there and won't be in our lifetimes. Organized gangs of Somolians poachers are a real problem in the entire region. Obviously there is not much left to kill off in their country, so they go off hundreds of miles beyond their borders to poach. | ||
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I am in the middle of reading "Lion Hunting in Somaliland". It talks about all the typical plains game and the large number of lions that roamed there. It seems Somalia was a pretty neat place to hunt 100 years ago. What happened that caused the hunting there to disappear? Other than the political situation for the last 15 years. When did Somalia cease to be a huntable country? Is there even any game left or has it all been killed off? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. | |||
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what happened? ak-47's and somalians. the country fell i think in 1991. it is just about lawless over there. there is toxic waste dumping, loss of habitat, people starving and killing just about anything to survive. it is sad. sounds kind of like zimbabwe may be headed that way???????? | |||
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Hey M1Tanker, I was thinking the same thing last night! As far as I understand 'Somalia' is now divided into 3 sectors. Somaliland (North), Puntland, and the rest is roughly 50 different chiefdoms (warlords) that live in an uneasy peace. The wildlife is surely decimated, but perhaps certain species such as warthog may be around due to the aversion of muslims to pork. Was just thinking of how cool it would be to find good game fields with no government demanding licences! I heard that Somalia used to have a large quantity of lions, as well as sommerings gazelle, lesser kudu, etc etc...too bad it is pretty much permanently off the horizon. | |||
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It is sad to see a land destroyed like that. I doubt that peace will come there any time soon. And without a peaceful environment I dont see any chance of the game ever recovering. Hopefully in some of the more remote areas the wildlife is still around. | |||
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Maybe they'll all get AIDS and die and the game will come back. | |||
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Indy: Your post is a perfect illustration of why Americans are so hated in many parts of the world. | |||
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Quote: Then count me among the hated, too. After what "those people" did to Bill Cleveland, I'd rather take a flamethrower to every last S.O.B. there. May Somalia, as a collective entity, burn in eternal damnation. May they die off SLOWLY from AIDS, tuberculosis, and any other horrible thing that's out there. There's a guy on here who posts in his signature about elephants, I believe it is, that "once you've been among them, there's no such thing as too much gun." I feel the same way about Muslim terrorists/criminals. Period. Count me proudly among the hated Americans. I'm certainly not inspired to make "those people" like me. At. All. Russ | |||
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I agree with Gerald on this one, those are actual human beings that you are wishing death upon! Why? So you can go and hunt there? Man, have a heart. I am sure that there is no million dollar trade in gazelle meat, and I sure as hell would mow down anything in sight if the family were going to bed hungry... How would you feel if a native american were to say the same thing about your home town, which is surely built on former wildlife territory too! | |||
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Quote: Boy, I don't know. Good question. As soon as a Native American flies a jetliner into the Pentagon, I'll let you know how I feel. As to hunting in Somalia... I personally don't care if anyone hunts any "game animals" there ever again. My original sentiment stands. Russ | |||
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Russ, Back in 1987 I was injured pretty bad in Ethiopia. A Wonderful Lady MD from Bulgaria (Soviet Bloc at that time) helped get me in shape to go home. Later she put in for a transfer (she was UN) to go "help" the "poor" Somalis. About a month after she was sent there, while sitting in a restaurant frequented by Westerners, some Somali bastard ran in and sprayed the place with an AK....end of Marta. I have no use for them either. Rich Elliott | |||
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I was there in 1993, They can all go to hell. | |||
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Quote: Thank you for going, thank you for coming home alive. Godspeed, Kiowa. Russ | |||
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All the people I talked to in the Lake Turkana area of Kenya like Americans a lot more than they liked Somalis. A khat plagued bandit culture and I don't care whether they like Americans or not. | |||
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I found it quite interesting on our trip through the african continent that practically every black african we met in the region told us of their great dislike of the Somalis when the topic came up in conversation. Basically they all said the same thing: The Somalis are "bad", viscous, "crazy people" who are not to be trusted. It seemed that this wasn't a new feeling, but more something rooted deep into east african history. I personally havn't been to Somalia, but friends of mine who were there with the UN when the west went in to "save the country" were not impressed with the local population to put it mildly. Erik D. | |||
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Gerald, The reason much of the world hates America is the same reason much of America hates the NY Yankees. The Yankees don't care, and neither do we. JCN | |||
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Thanks for coming back. Some good did come out of that goat-fuck in the Mog. My neighbor's son, who was 10 years old in 1993, is now with the 2nd Ranger out of Ft. Lewis. He was home on leave last month and we spent an evening practicing room clearing, and other CQB stuff (ain't that what kindly country doctors are for?). We were taking a break, and I asked him if Mog ever came up during his training. He said "all the time." "They drilled the 'lessons learned' into us until we knew them cold." 1. Wear your body armor. 2. Carry full Camelbacks & canteens everywhere. 3. 2 to the chest, 1 to the head. 4. Save the candy and bubblegum for the kids back home. 5. Spectre; don't leave home without it. JCN | |||
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So, Americans are hated in many parts of the world??? I guess that explains why no one wants to immigrate to the U.S. and the lines are so long to get into Somalia. | |||
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Your arrogance amazes me! Thank God America is a rich country and you don't have to worry where your next meal is coming from; these people do! Since when is game more important than human life? Hunger does not regard race or creed. Ed | |||
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Just to set the record straight the poachers from Somalia and Chad that are ravaging central Africa are not poaching to feed themselves or their families. Their entire purpose is to shoot anything that they can sell for a profit and or take anything they want. Mike | |||
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You can't tar everyone with the same brush | |||
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The vast majority of the poaching is done by orgznized groups for profit. An individual trying to feed his family is not going to travel with a group of 2o+ individuals and venture hundreds of miles from his home. Mike | |||
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Quote: Unfortunately AIDS and disease is an indiscriminate killer. The innocent along with the guilty. Hopefully one day Mugabe ..... | |||
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It always amazes me that some people hold the value of human life so high. What amazes me even more is when the human life they value does not in turn value human life. I think a reevaluation as to the value needs to be done. | |||
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Ed, A you still whinging about the Somalis (fuzzy wuzzies) breaking the British square, and kicking Limey ass all over the horn of africa in the last part of the 19th century. If I remember correctly you regrouped and had another go at the "dervishes". Second time around you shot and lanced 'em all, male, female, young, and old. Heck, you made the Nile run red at Omdurman; 1898, wasn't it. You guys just haven't been as fun loving since you pissed away the empire. And Africa has been a bloody bollocks of human horror since you cut and ran on your colonies. Hurry to the kitchen before you milk toast gets soggy. JCN | |||
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Quote: Yeah, I think a reevaluation needs to be done, too. See, I personally know of A LOT of kids dying because A LOT of PARENTS -- AMERICAN PARENTS -- didn't teach their kids about self-preservation. You're about as flat wrong as you can get in your comment, above. Several, SEVERAL times, I got reports of kids being shot at and not returning fire. I got one report, for example, and it's just one in MANY such reports, of some MUSLIM EXTREMIST/TERRORIST/BAD-GUY (it sure as Hell wasn't some Catholic or Baptist or Presbyterian dude) pulling up to one of the guard gates at Taji, in his little Haji-mobile (one of those orange-and-white wind-up former-taxicab P-esOS), getting out, bringing an RPG up, and firing it directly at two of OUR guys! "Click!" Didn't go off. Haji got back in his Haji-mobile and drove off, while those kids at the gate didn't open fire and WAX THIS S.O.B. OFF THE PLANET! What happened? I'll tell you what happened. Mommy and Daddy did NOT teach their kids about self-preservation. Mommy and Daddy's kid let "Haji with the RPG" go off, get one that worked, and go somewhere else that day, or the next day, or the next day, and kill some OTHER American kids! Day after day, I got reports of our kids -- and I saw them EVERYDAY, baby-faced kids who couldn't shave yet, carrying around M240s and M16s and so on -- getting shot at without shooting back. "Value human life?" I value MY human life. I do NOT value the lives of those who would take it, who support those who would take it, who condone the actions by passively doing NOTHING TO STOP those who would take it. Innocents get killed? Oh really. So I guess all those folks at the Pentagon, in that field in Pennsylvania, and, oh yeah, the World Trade Center, I guess it's okay for MUSLIM TERRORISTS/EXTREMISTS/BAD-GUYS to kill THOSE innocents. Hey, look pal, I've tried turning the other cheek. I believe in God. I pray. I also believe that some people just need to die, too. Innocents die? You make me sick. For me it's simple. American's first. Anyone who stands with Americans, second. Anyone who would take the lives of Americans... dies. Violently. Without mercy or hesitation. It cracks me up when people who haven't had an RPG fired at them or had an IED blow up and flip their HMMWV three times or anything of that sort, talk about "the value of OTHER human lives." Russ  | |||
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Yup, the price of freedom is a cost the protected shall never know. With all do respect to our British cousins, the whole damned continent was a lot better off when you guys ran the show in Africa. I'm really an anglophile, Winston Churchill being one of my personal heroes. But man, you guys just went down hill after all those years of liberals in power over there. I must admit, you've had a couple of "good moments" during the Falklands, Desert Storm and now Iraq, but you guys should SERIOSULY consider bringing the Empire back and taking over all your former colonies down there. It was a lot easier for the rest of us back then. After 1993 and thanks to our former dope-smoking-traitor president, we left that place before putting every single one to the bayonet or in my line of work, napalm. jorge | |||
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Agreed. IMHO, pretty much the whole of Black Africa is now trying to exist in a 21st Century world, while still operating on a prehistoric tribal mentality. Back to the original subject of this thread, I recently finished Lion Hunting in Somaliland. Found the book a bit disturbing, just in sheer numbers killed, and lack of interest in following up wounded animals, particularly antelope. But then, this was at the end of the 19th century and I guess lion were considered vermin. Also can't assign our "modern" ethics to that time period. The author seemed quite taken with the skill and loyalty of the Somali warriors - though he made sure to distribute sufficient amounts of "baksheesh". | |||
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Quote: Why are these people in this situation EdMac? Who's fault is it? I agree with Russ. / | |||
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Quote: Time to start taking the pills that funny doctor prescribes again. | |||
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Quote: You're right, John. I've got some Prozac around here somewhere. Ah! Here it is! GADZOOKS! The bottle's empty!!!  Russ | |||
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Sorry Russ, I took them and put them in Edmac's tea and Nitro's Vegamite sandwich. Gerald 416 didn't need any. JCN | |||
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OK, well I haven't shot anyone yet to save my country (Italian passport, NOT British) but I am allowed my opinion! I was referring to Indy's original statement that people should die of AIDS for the game populationsto recover is WRONG, period. Now if you consider Somalis the enemy, you are entitled to do so, but please save those comments for the politics forum as the original comment was not about politics or 9/11, it was about hunting in Somalia. G Boghossian | |||
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The Aids comment was a bit tacky, no doubt. Didn't the Italians have a little fun in that neck of the woods in the late thirties? Dive bombing refugee columns? Oops, that was Ethiopia. Also a bit tacky. So hard to be holier than thou and keep a straight face in this modern world. Back to the original question, what became of Somalia's game? The Somali's killed it all, and then killed most of their neighbor's game. The UN attempted to provide alternate sources of food, but armed elements of the population weren't interested. JCN | |||
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"I was referring to Indy's original statement that people should die of AIDS for the game populationsto recover is WRONG, period." Indy never said that. Indy said that MAYBE they WILL (not should) die of AIDS and the game will come back. If your stomach can't take that, tough. Or maybe they will die of AIDS and the game won't come back. In many African countries upwards of 30% of the people have AIDS because they're too dumb to understand the cause, and do something about it, even when it's explained to them. Their standard of living is lower than when they were colonies. And why is that? Perhaps because YOUR countries (Italy and England) were too selfish and lazy to step up to your responsibilities and educate the people while you were stealing their natural resources. | |||
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Sorry Indy, I should have read your comment more carefully. It was not tacky. Cutting and running was, and always is. JCN | |||
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OK guys I never said what the Italians did was right and will never stand up for inhumane and devilish acts. Maybe we have a misunderstanding here, if so please accept apologies all around. But the first time I read the post, it seemed to want AIDS to wipe people out, my bad. By the way, don't bother putting me or anyone through a guilt trip because of stuff that happened over 65 years ago. Nearly every western country has at one point "raped" another, less fortunate country- so we can all sit around the campfire in hell and talk about hunting  . Anyway, lets agree to disagree and get back to African hunting, leaving the political BS to the shitty forum towards the bottom of the list  G Boghossian | |||
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Fair Enough, I still think Scotland should throw off the yoke of those poofters down in London FWIW I once contacted Doctors without Borders (before I discovered they were a bunch of commies) about doing a one year volunteer gig. They were interested until I asked if I could bring along a rifle to do a little hunting on my off time................. | |||
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Ditto, The Americans have never been that smart at politics anyway  | |||
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Yeah, We got so tired out from pulling the Limey's nuts out of the fire that we didn't have the energy left over to learn about holding a tea cup with the little pinky extended. JCN And there still isn't anything left to hunt (except Al Queida) in Somalia. | |||
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