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Hello folks, I could use some input here. Long story short- my daughter took the backskin from my duiker for show and tell and now the teacher wants to know if I could bring some mounts and tell the kids about hunting in Africa.
I'm kind of looking at this as a good opportunity to give these kids some honest information about Africa. There are a lot of misinformed people out there. My own Mother thinks that elephants are almost extinct!!!
I'd also like to maybe introduce the idea of hunting in a positive way. I didn't want to say something that would possibly give a little kid the wrong idea about hunting and/or hunting in Africa so I thought I'd try to get some input first.
I tried to get info from our local SCI chapter and we don't have any, our President gave me a couple contacts farther up the tree so to speak but it didn't pan out. There's a Safari-in--box but it's like $750.00 and way over my budget. Does anyone know of any organizations that make coloring books or something that would be appropriate for little kids? Obviously I'm new at this so I'd appreciate any help or any leads as to other contacts. Thanks. Joe
 
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I'm sure that there are other AR members close by that might be able to help you out if you are able to give them more information as to your whereabouts in Ohio. Also, please make sure, and I know that you will, that you talk about what hunting does for the African people (i.e. conservation, feeding the people, putting money into the local economy, taking needed medical and school supplies to local villages, taking out only the mature and beyond breeding animals, supporting taxidermy and other local business and industries, etc. etc.). When I explained all of this to two different college professors on two different return trips from Africa as we sat in Atlanta, you could see their entire attitudes and mood change about hunting and its value. I also kept it from becoming an "emotional" issue, with facts and figures to support my message and I did not go on the offensive and attack anyone. I was also candid and answered any questions that they had. It worked for me. Taking a couple of others with you with some skins, small mounts, etc. would be very helpful. Good luck goosejoe. Wish I was there to help you.
 
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That's a great thing to do.

As long as you think it through, I'm sure it will go well.

I took an elephant tusk, ear, panel of hid and foot to my son's 4th grade show and tell. The first questions were of course "I thought elephants were almost extinct" (which I even get from adult hunters all the time). So I was ready with statistics of the number of elephants in Africa, how many elephants live in the area I hunted, how few are allowed to be shot, how ALL the meat is used, the damage to the local crops, and how much of the trophy fee goes back to the local people.

I spent some time discussing the loss of habitat, human over population in many areas, elephant over population in some areas (leading to culling) and the "If it pays it stays" concept. I even took a copy of the article I wrote for Sports Afield about how all the parts were utilized.

It ended up being a very positive experience and even the few girls that were originally appalled while I was setting up ended up coming up to touch everything and get a closer look. (You gotta love marching across campus with an elephant tusk over your shoulder while the other dads are showing off the beaded necklaces and casseroles they made Wink).

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Try the fact that elephants have killed over 300 peasants in Zimbabwe this year, and buffalo, lion, hippo and croc have killed another 200 - I think Kathi put a copy of the original newspaper report on the forum

If you have any specific questions feel free to email me - fishunt@zol.co.zw

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Seems to "make a connection" if you can report your safari experience aspects in terms of feeding some people. I know not all hunting results in "all the meat going to the locals" so you'd have to think it out. American kids may not "get it" about economic betterment, but being hungry is something everybody can relate to in an emotional way, and providing employment is also a "good thing".

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GJ,

I am an elementary teacher...I do this all the time...Tht ele thing of the National Geographic on eles in trouble has many people buffaloed...
Give me a call on my cell 570-262-9727

Will tell you what I do...

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I also have a 2nd grader. She told her teacher I just got back from Africa and this teacher almost ask me daily when I am coming to give her class a show. My girl has asked me if I would wear one of my Africa robes to her class to give the presentation in. I live in a part of Texas where hunting is looked upon in a very positive way.
Any numbers out there would be good to have. I have been over 7 times now but I can not learn it all. Any help would be appreciated.


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i used to do this stuff all the time. pictures pictures pictures - they are worth a thousand words. The problem comes in if you get some activist in the group that proceeds to climb all over you.
 
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Goosejoe.
I sent you a pm regarding the Safari in a box contact me ... I can help.


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Yes take slides or photos.

Talk about the positives:
- the animals are dangerous to local people, women and children, often raid their crops, destroy their buildings and kill villagers (eg elephant)
- the animals shot are not wasted, the meat is used by local people to eat who are often hungry
- the animals are not endangered and in fact hunting them gives them value so local people will not poach them (keep it simple) which they might, if they couldn't earn anything from them
- also include some non-hunting, like showing photos, slides or film of living animals.


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Thank you everyone! That's exactly the kind of input I was looking for. I want to be honest in what I say so I'd like to be able to back up my words with statistics. I'd like to add that my wife (who is a non-hunter) is helping me 100% in this. She doesn't understand exactly why I like to hunt but she does understand that if I'm hunting I'm not getting into trouble! She found some African wildlife bandaids that she's going to pass out, we were hoping for coloring books or something else that we can pass out, sure wish I could just take the kids and show them! They might not turn out to be hunters but I bet they would understand why hunting is so important for our wildlife. Thanks again. Joe
 
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goose,

I didn't read all the replies so I hope I'm not restating anything but first and foremost in light of what kids (and most people) know of Africa from TV I'd stress that we only hunt viable populations. Further that in most areas hunted the money generated from hunters taking a few animals from a large population is what makes the remaining animals valuable to the people living there - frequently hand to mouth - and without the prospect of hunter's money those animals would be hunted relentlessly by poachers. Also that it is the monsy generated from sport hunting that largely pays for what conservation activities that do exist. The point being that HUNTING is actually what is saving what animals there are. One hunting safari is much more valuable to the game as a whole than five photo safaris even though the hunter kills a few animals.

A brief intro on how nature produces more animals than typically survive anyway would be in order to explain why taking a few animals out of a population does little harm to the specie as a whole.

Unless I missed it you didn't say how old the kids are. Are you in urban area or a rural one where kids are familiar with hunting? These and other factors could affect how and what to say, how much detail is needed to get the point across, etc...

Above all do YOUR homework!!! Be prepared for any question. In many cases a question that cannot be adequately answered can do tremendous harm. Keep answers as brief but concise possible. Do not show photos with obvious blood, tongues hanging out of mouths, hunters high-fiving eachother or other factors that could give the wrong impression to kids who just don't understand. While we all revel in success, stress the feeling of reverence rather than elation at taking an animal.

While over-population is very real - particularly in limited habitat areas - stress the ecconomic importance at least as much if not more. That it is hunter's money that pays for management and conservation. That it is hunting that makes animals a valuble commodity worth saving (for the locals). That hunting often provides the only real paying jobs in many areas and that while we do all these things we still do not pose a threat to over-all populations of any animals.

Good luck!


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It has been my experience that bringing your taxidermy and talk to young kids in the scouting organizations is a waste of time.

First, the teacher is probably more interested than the kids will ever be. And, others teachers will go to your talk and give negative cues to the kids, like the "Are the bones still in the mounts?" With a expression of disgust. "Is that their real noses? Pu!" "How do they do that and how much does it cost?"

Now these questions will not come from the kids. It will come from the Disney educated teachers!

The kids will be so mesmerized about the mounts, they will quickly develop ADD and ignore you words. The stories they teach YOU about "My dad and uncle Bob's deer..." will be you cue to keep an eye on your mounts...cause the disinterested in the lot will what to handle the big eyed dolls and will find a way to do so...when your are not looking.

This is just my experience with school, mounts and the world. My 2cents...in the red so to speak.


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Joe,

You have been give a great opportunity, as you know, to advance our cause. And you have been given great advice by all of the above posters as to how to make the most of it.

I will add only a few thoughts.

First, tell the kids that only rarely does any prey animal, and only rarely, too, does any predator, ever die of old age. Eventually all are brought down by others. Old antelopes, and even old buffalo, among the mightiest of earthly herbivores, are killed by lions before age catches them short. And even old lions are killed by hyenas before a cruel nature takes them, too, in its course.

Every animal on earth, in tame and wild places alike, exists in a hierarchical relationship with every other animal. Many animals are equals, more or less. But most, even among the equals, are the prey of a select number of the others, and those others are the predators, the carnivores, the fewest of them all. We humans, in our cities and with our supermarkets, often lose sight of that ultimate truth. We humans, owing to our superior intellect, and our use of tools, are fortunate to be among the best and most efficient of all of the predators on our planet. We are at the peak of the predatory pyramid, or as some would say, at the top of the food chain.

Tell the kids that there are only predators and prey, hunters and hunted. Nothing else.

And they should also know, so you must tell them, that owing to our superior intellect, and our enlightened sense of stewardship, we no longer (although we once did) hunt animals until they are threatened or endangered, or until they are on the brink of extinction.

Today, hunters are the heart and soul of conservation efforts world wide. And there is a key difference between conservation and so-called preservation. Conservation is based on the principle of sustainable use, of the treatment of our game animals as a renewable natural resource. We hunters give value to our game animals, and we are therefore able to persuade people all over the world to value them, and maintain them in safe havens and in renewable numbers.

If it were not for hunters, and the value that we place on game and its conservation, the game would vanish. Were it not for hunters, conflicts beteen large game and humans, and more particularly with the things that humans value, such as life and property, would cause people all over the world to kill all of the large fauna in every ecosystem where such conflicts occur, legally or illegally, and sooner rather than later.

We hunters exist in a profound relationship with our quarry. To be sure, we hunt and kill them. But we love and respect the game we hunt. It is we hunters, through the finance we pour into habitat preservation, game conservation and anti-poaching efforts, who are at the forefront of worldwide conservation.

We willingly limit ourselves to specific hunting seasons, and to the hunting of only those animals, old males generally, but sometimes dry females (without young) as well, that will ensure the long term survival of the species. We also limit ourselves in many other ways, such as, for example, by limiting the kinds of weapons we can use and the hours during which we can hunt, so as to ensure that we and our quarry are fairly matched, and to maintain, and even guarantee, that game animals will survive in ample numbers all over the world.

And finally, as for our trophies, well, tell the kids that they are everlasting memorials to the glory of the game we have taken. Tell them that, instead of leaving behind only a rotted carcass, a fly-ridden pile of scraps and bones and a tattered hide, as all other predators do, each of the animals we have killed and preserved as a trophy will endure as a lasting testament to the beauty and power, the blood pounding strength and majesty, of the creature as he was in life.


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Joe,

You have been give a great opportunity, as you know, to advance our cause. And you have been given great advice by all of the above posters as to how to make the most of it.

I will add only a few thoughts.

First, tell the kids that only rarely does any prey animal, and only rarely, too, does any predator, ever die of old age. Eventually all are brought down by others. Old antelopes, and even old buffalo, among the mightiest of earthly herbivores, are killed by lions before age catches them short. And even old lions are killed by hyenas before a cruel nature takes them, too, in its course.

Every animal on earth, in tame and wild places alike, exists in a hierarchical relationship with every other animal. Many animals are equals, more or less. But most, even among the equals, are the prey of a select number of the others, and those others are the predators, the carnivores, the fewest of them all. We humans, in our cities and with our supermarkets, often lose sight of that ultimate truth. We humans, owing to our superior intellect, and our use of tools, are fortunate to be among the best and most efficient of all of the predators on our planet. We are at the peak of the predatory pyramid, or as some would say, at the top of the food chain.

Tell the kids that there are only predators and prey, hunters and hunted. Nothing else.

And they should also know, so you must tell them, that owing to our superior intellect, and our enlightened sense of stewardship, we no longer (although we once did) hunt animals until they are threatened or endangered, or until they are on the brink of extinction.

Today, hunters are the heart and soul of conservation efforts world wide. And there is a key difference between conservation and so-called preservation. Conservation is based on the principle of sustainable use, of the treatment of our game animals as a renewable natural resource. We hunters give value to our game animals, and we are therefore able to persuade people all over the world to value them, and maintain them in safe havens and in renewable numbers.

If it were not for hunters, and the value that we place on game and its conservation, the game would vanish. Were it not for hunters, conflicts beteen large game and humans, and more particularly with the things that humans value, such as life and property, would cause people all over the world to kill all of the large fauna in every ecosystem where such conflicts occur, legally or illegally, and sooner rather than later.

We hunters exist in a profound relationship with our quarry. To be sure, we hunt and kill them. But we love and respect the game we hunt. It is we hunters, through the finance we pour into habitat preservation, game conservation and anti-poaching efforts, who are at the forefront of worldwide conservation.

We willingly limit ourselves to specific hunting seasons, and to the hunting of only those animals, old males generally, but sometimes dry females (without young) as well, that will ensure the long term survival of the species. We also limit ourselves in many other ways, such as, for example, by limiting the kinds of weapons we can use and the hours during which we can hunt, so as to ensure that we and our quarry are fairly matched, and to maintain, and even guarantee, that game animals will survive in ample numbers all over the world.

And finally, as for our trophies, well, tell the kids that they are everlasting memorials to the glory of the game we have taken. Tell them that, instead of leaving behind only a rotted carcass, a fly-ridden pile of scraps and bones and a tattered hide, as all other predators do, each of the animals we have killed and preserved as a trophy will endure as a lasting testament to the beauty and power, the blood pounding strength and majesty, of the creature as he was in life.


Just at what point in that speech will the kids be sound asleep? Smiler


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