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I DVRed the episode from Dangerous Game this morning. I just finished watching it and what a nice elephant, but..........Ken Dorsey was shooting past Jeff Rann on his follow up shots!!!  I don't mean Jeff was slightly forward. I mean the first shot Jeff was 25 yards ahead of Dorsey and about 30 degrees from the elephant relative to Dorsey!!! The second shot Jeff is 30 yards out and about 15 degrees from the elephant relative to Dorsey!!!!!!! I'm sure someone on here is Dorsey's friend or will take acception to what I said or Chris himself posts on here. Quite frankly I don't care. That was NOT ok!!! It's a shame they showed such piss poor gun safety on TV!!!Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | ||
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I can think of a few people I let shoot over and around me... | |||
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I was shocked by the scene also, but for a very different reason..... Dorsey missed the frontal brain shot with his first shot, but it knocked the elephant down. As the elephant rises he shoots it in the head again with little effect. At this point I think: the double is empty. The PH better save the day or we are going to have a lost elephant. At this point Rann runs forward but does not shoot.(???) Dorsey finally reloads and shoots(past Rann as you said), and the elephant is killed. My question is: Why did Rann run forward but hold his fire? The client had missed his brain shot twice and now had an empty rifle. We are always told that this is a recipe for a lost elephant, right. Also, the client made some comment about how tough elephant are.  That seemed funny to me as mine seemed to die pretty easily even though it was only a .375 that I sent through its brain.  Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I didn't see it but maybe what really happened didn't make it into the final production. ?????? ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I have not seen it either. But I would hazzard a guess Ran did not shoot because he could see th elephant wasn't going anywhere. I am sure he had felt that the elephant was departing he would have gotten involved. | |||
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I saw the episode and have the same thoughts as Brett. The PH should have either shot the elephant or taken the chance and given the client time to reload before running after the elephant. If I'm the PH, no way am I going to get between and elephant and the client who is shooting at him. Tom Z NRA Life Member | |||
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I have never met the man but two guides I hunt with every year had the misfortune to host and guide him once for a Ducks Unlimited hunt. They have nothing but bad things to say about him and how he conducted himself during the hunt. There opinion, for what its worth. | |||
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Saeed, They were hunting the bull on an island in the Okavango and Rann was yelling for him to put it down before it got to water. Rann pulled up on the elephant, but there was no shot. I'm wondering if it was editted out. I'm not sure why he didn't shoot quite frankly. Never the less Dorsey's back up shots were very poor from a safety point of view. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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And that...is exactly how a PH should react. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Just watched it again. Agree with the other posters; it just looked bad, from the ele getting back up, until it was finsihed. Slow second shot to the upper portion of the head, and that bull left like a NYC cab driver after another fare. Rann should have shot as soon as it got up, and turned giving him a perfect side shot. Wouldn't have been good video, or ego fodder for Dorsey tho. The follow up shots were taken when the bull was a long way out front, and Rann was 5 yards to the side, but it still looked too close to me. Oh yeah, 458 Win Mag in the double (Berretta, since they are the sponsor!). Should have used a better caliber.  | |||
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Sorry, my play-by-play left a lot to the imagination. The second shot his the bull as he was getting up and had little effect. The elephant took off an looked like it was going to get away. The client took a while to reload and the elephant was running away. My point, the elephant was definitely "going somewhere". As others have mentioned, maybe something was edited out. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I have not seen this. I don't shoot when anyone is in front of me, even if placed off to one side of me, at an angle where a shot could theoretically be made. Just too much risk of disaster. I have passed on such shots in such circumstances, including shots at elephant. I would make an exception only in a life or death emergency. But I would point out that photographic depth of field and field of view can compress and distort reality, and that video representations often cannot be trusted. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Some folks have been trained to shoot with friendly's to their front and have done so with live ammunition in both training scenarios and real world situations. Not a big deal, as long as all the players know it could happen. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Rann should have shot after Dorsey's second shot but since he didn't I can only assume there was an arrangement made beforehand that as long as no one was in danger he wasn't to do so. I don't think Rann shot at all afterall you can't be a hero if you get help. | |||
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I agree that we shouldn't rush to judgement because of how camera angles and depth perception can alter reality. Rann thought that the first shot (frontal) was a little too low. It was close enough to the brain to knock the bull down which may mean that he actually hit a non-instantaneous kill area of the brain. The second shot was definitely too high and probably too far to the right. Rann had no reason to believe from the bulls reaction to the two head shots that it wasn't going far. I think he should have fired at that point but as someone said there probably was an agreement for him not to. As far as the fact that Rann was in front of him, the tree on his left could have blocked a view of Rann. Also Rann was yelling for him to shoot again and apparently wasn't worried that he was a little in front of him. I think he was farther to the side than appeared on the video. 465H&H | |||
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465H&H, I'm not sure how the camera could trick anyone that much. The first shot Rann appeared too far forward and too close the the elephant. The second shot Rann appeared too far forward and WAY TO CLOSE to the elephant!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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\Brett, With all due respect, that is your opinion and it may be right but I didn't see it that way at all. To me it looked like the client was 25 to 30 yards away from the ele when he did the follow up shots. Rann looked 5 to 10 yards closer. That is why I say cameras destort reality. 465H&H | |||
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