Hi Folks

Can anyone shed some light on who are Safari Legends. All I know is that the name is familiar and they are South African? Cheers Buzz

Apologies they are called HUNTING LEGENDS not SAFARI LEGENDS and the main man is called Freddie Oosterhuis- cheers Buzz

That is the name of the Marketing director.


http://www.huntinglegends.com/about-us/meet-the-team/

All I can share.

I am a legend in my own mind...does that count?

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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
I am a legend in my own mind...does that count?

You are one of heroes Mike, and that is all that counts

Interesting how the company clothing resembles Nature Conservation uniforms.

Lot of Bragging IMO

Lets see what is left after a couple of years.

After all you not going hunting on a website.

Mark butcher & mark ellement, Toni sanchez Ariño, in the rainforest Felix Barrado and over all of them .... My DAD

Their daily rates are relatively low, so do I assume they are hunting on farms?

Buzz, the initial poster on this thread is a Safari Legend! :-)

I have seen them at my local hunting show in Pa. prices are high for hunting south africa for plains game I think.They seemed alittle full of themselves when talking with them also.Have been around for atleast a few years already as I have seen them at the show for like 5 years already

Dammit...I thought this was another thread about Mr. Shores...

Jeff

If I am not mistaken this is the group that took Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump to Matetsi a few years ago.

"...With a well-placed shot, a rifle of .375 caliber is adequate for hunting African Buffalo, however, a shot from any of the 40 calibers will provide a much more immediate and noticeable effect. Many hunters prefer to make their first shot on an African Buffalo with a soft point for maximum force and to prevent over-penetration and the chance of wounding other members of the herd. Back-up shots are usually made with solids to take advantage of their superior penetration in the kill zone. On the first shot, once the Buffalo is wounded and its adrenalin is rushing through its veins, it can be extremely hard to take down. It has been said that if your first shot on a Buffalo is a bad shot, the next 10 rounds will only serve to annoy it. It is important to rely on the advice of your Professional Hunter, when it comes to shot placement and your selection of rifles and bullets, always trust the judgment of your Professional Hunter..."


What a load of bloody rubbish!

I have never seen any caliber kills a buffalo better than others.

The above is a quote from their website!

Saeed, you must have stopped increasing the power above .375 at too low a level. The 40s are the next step up, but not the last stop.

My sample of buffalo killed is smaller than yours, but in my experience, 570 grains of .510" diameter TSX bullet, driven to 2,500 fps and 8,000 ft.-lbs. at the muzzle, does, indeed, have a "much more immediate and noticeable effect" on buffalo than lesser rifles.

In my experience, well-placed boiler room shots at less than 50 yards will knock the buffalo entirely off its feet. They generally struggle back up, just because they're so ornery, but it's game over, right then and there.

I don't know Hunting Legends, by the way.

Mike,

If it was legal, I would use my 30/404 for all my hunting, including buffalo.

And I can assure you they will die just as quickly as all those I have shot with the 375/404, and others shot by rifles as big as the 460 Weatherby Magnum.

Saeed, I sometimes think I would rather do the opposite, and use my .500 on everything. But the .375 is such a great plains game caliber I can't seem to give it up.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Saeed, I sometimes think I would rather do the opposite, and use my .500 on everything. But the .375 is such a great plains game caliber I can't seem to give it up.

The final choice should yours Mike.

It just makes us all laugh while on safari talking about what kills best, and what some people seem to believe.

You cannot kill any animal more than stone dead, and would rather have the ability of placing my shot where I want it, rather than relay on haphazard shooting by using a caliber I can hardly handle for an accurate shot.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Saeed, I sometimes think I would rather do the opposite, and use my .500 on everything. But the .375 is such a great plains game caliber I can't seem to give it up.

The final choice should yours Mike.

It just makes us all laugh while on safari talking about what kills best, and what some people seem to believe.

You cannot kill any animal more than stone dead, and would rather have the ability of placing my shot where I want it, rather than relay on haphazard shooting by using a caliber I can hardly handle for an accurate shot.

Saeed, I seem to believe differently than you seem to believe.

Which, from where I stand, and from where I shoot, is fine with me.

Dead is, indeed, dead. But dead quicker, and right then and there, with no need for waiting and follow up, is far better than dead slower.

And by all means and of course, no one should ever shoot a rifle more powerful than he can handle.

I thought that rather commonplace observation went without saying, but apparently not.

Keep with your practice, as I would not presume to dictate otherwise.

I just prefer to kill them now, rather than later.

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Originally posted by freischuetz:


Lot of Bragging IMO

Lets see what is left after a couple of years.

After all you not going hunting on a website.

I could not have said it better

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Saeed, I sometimes think I would rather do the opposite, and use my .500 on everything. But the .375 is such a great plains game caliber I can't seem to give it up.

The final choice should yours Mike.

It just makes us all laugh while on safari talking about what kills best, and what some people seem to believe.

You cannot kill any animal more than stone dead, and would rather have the ability of placing my shot where I want it, rather than relay on haphazard shooting by using a caliber I can hardly handle for an accurate shot.

Saeed, I seem to believe differently than you seem to believe.

Which, from where I stand, and from where I shoot, is fine with me.

Dead is, indeed, dead. But dead quicker, and right then and there, with no need for waiting and follow up, is far better than dead slower.

And by all means and of course, no one should ever shoot a rifle more powerful than he can handle.

I thought that rather commonplace observation went without saying, but apparently not.

Keep with your practice, as I would not presume to dictate otherwise.

I just prefer to kill them now, rather than later.

Mike,

I appreciate what you are saying, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with using whatever caliber you wish, regardless how big it is, if you can actually shoot well enough.

The trouble is, many people believe what is written that a bigger caliber will make up for poor shooting.

Which is not true at all.

Those people would be better served if they used a caliber they can actually handle.

Well..
speaking as a scientist, who deals in statistics, its impossible to accept the opinions of hunters who may have shot 5, 10, 100 or more buffalo as to the best caliber. The only scientifically valid procedure would be to shoot a representative no (minimum 30) buffalo in the same spot at the samae range with a 375, and compare to another group shot in the same exact way with a , eg, 500 a square. Then determine: time from shot to death, duration of tracking, untoward incidents like charges, etc. All buff must be shot at aprox the same distance Now this is manifestly impossible. So we listen to hunters who have shot THOUSANDS of buffalo using MANY different calibers. Given the numbers,many of the shots will be at comparable ranges.
Statistics are possible in this situation IF the observer has kept careful written records of the shots and their effects. i am not aware of anyone who has done so.
So we have to fall back upon the "opinion" of people who have shot large numbers with various calibers. These opinions are frequently colored by prejudices about favorite calibers, and the more memorable kills (or otherwise) are remembered better, and thus form an unduly large segment of the memories that go into forming the "opinion".
With this caveat, the best we can do is listen to the opinions of those individuals who are good observers and have shot a LOT of buff. A few such people come to mind. John Burger shot several thousand buff and rhino as part of his job, and writes that a large caliber (he was talking about his 500 nitro)was significantly superior on putting down these animals compared to lesser ones. Dr Kevin Robertson, a keen ballistician and firearms nut, also qualifies on all these counts.He writes that he never had to use more than a shot of at most 2 to stop WOUNDED buffalo using his 505.Brian Marsh was once being pestered by a journalist about using the 375; he finally told the guy to go ahead and use his 375, that way there would be "one less foolish man going around wounding buffalo"

So there you have it. I am sure super accurate and cool riflemen like Saeed who pick their shots do extremely well with the 375 and see no reason to change.
Lesser marksmen, those backing up lesser marksmen, and those who cannot or may not pick their shots would be better served with larger calibers IF they can shoot them accurately.

I have only shot 5 buffalo; two with a 375, one with a 416, and 2 with a 505. all at ranges of 30 to 60 yds. The 375 buff required 9 and 4 shots respectively (admittedly i was trigger happy with my first two buff) The 505 buff needed one shot each; they were deader than doornails amd we didnt need finishing shots.

Now I can form the opinion that a 500 caliber is better than a 375,but as you can see, it would not be scientifically valid;

With all due respect, I have read some rubbish written by Brian Marsh.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Dammit...I thought this was another thread about Mr. Shores...

Jeff

Hi Buzz I have walked a path with these Legends, not a great one at that, Pm me any time to answer all you need to know about each individual,

As for the 375 v bigger Rifle, I just returned from a week of hunting, shot 4 Buffalo and a awesome Leopard,really old tom, skull measured 17" on the dot, leopard and 3 buffalo fell to 1 shot each from 375 H and H, 4th Buffalo took 5 rounds from my 470 NE, It's all about shot placement, I duffed the first shot at 20 yards on a high single lung and the rest is history,
Many km of tracking and 3 days later

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The trouble is, many people believe what is written that a bigger caliber will make up for poor shooting.

Which is not true at all.

Those people would be better served if they used a caliber they can actually handle.

Agreed 100%.

I talked with them a few years back. Their claim to fame was hunting with Donald trumps sons in matetsi unit 1. Never was able to find out how they operate in unit 1.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The trouble is, many people believe what is written that a bigger caliber will make up for poor shooting.

IMO Saeed, a larger bullet will make up for a "little bit" of poor shooting - not much, but a little. Energy foot-pounds cannot be ignored, it is a real thing. However, I am not sure an elephant can tell if it was 5000 or 10,000 that just whacked him in the ass - next to the brain, possibly



[/QUOTE]Those people would be better served if they used a caliber they can actually handle.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree!
And a 30/06 with a solid bullet will penetrate further than a 577 NE with a solid bullet-simple physics.
Precise bullet placement is always better than size

However, there is something about that "WHUMP" you hear when a big bullet hits something that just goads some of us to go larger and larger

The trend 30 years ago was smaller and smaller, faster and faster
Todays trend seems to be larger and kick harder with a more impressive "WHUMP" I like "WHUMP"

The other end of the spectrum is the guys that are into the light and super fast cartridge's. Hyper shock and all that.
I don't agree with that philosophy. Shooting a 300 Win Mag 3200/FPS at a animal less than 100 yards the animal always runs a bit, bullet zips right thru. Slow the cartridge down a bit at distance, say 300 yards, the animal usually drops at the shot and the bullet stays inside the skin.
After hunting here and in in Africa I think a moderately sized bullet - say 300 - 375, Head as heavy as the caliber can handle, 2400 - 2700 FPS at the muzzle and accurate shooting are all that's required to get er' done
The minimum required in most countries for DG is 375. Much to much IMO for an animal as small as a leopard unless you are using exploding heads. I used Swift A frames out a 375 and they did not even give a courtesy pause for expansion going thru a cat
A 270 with silvertips would have been a better choice

Thanks for info folks- have a great weekend! Cheers Buzz

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Originally posted by emron:
Now I can form the opinion that a 500 caliber is better than a 375

+1

If shot placement were the ONLY factor, why not allow 30/06 (and taken to the extreme, even 22RF) for hunting African DG? Because the 375 is a bigger hitter, that's why!

If the laws in Africa were suddenly all changed to allow 30/06 or even 22RF to be used for DG, would anyone really do so? Good luck to those who would! Shot placement is NOT everything!

Anyway, use whatever you want; but please stop deriding others for using a caliber bigger than what you use. Each to their own. Just enjoy the hunting; that's what we're really trying to do.