I've just about decided that I want to take one more safari and that hopefully in will be in Tanzania - specifically Eastern Tanzania because in addition to lion, leopard and a couple of buffalo I want the East African Impala, Grant's, Thompson and Robert[s Gazelle's -Gerenuk and Lesser Kudu. No interest in hippo, croc, or the teeney tiny antelope.

What am I looking at with respect to the size of the check I'll need to cash - broken down by daily rate, government fees, trophy fees, transport to camp, dip and pack and shipping to US.

Hunt with be 1x1 with one or perhaps two observers.

If you have a suggestion for a company etc please contact via PM as I don't want to start a free-for-all.

I always thought a 21-28 day hunt in Eastern Tanzania was outside my budget buy talking to my advisor it seems I had a very good year - one that even impressed my wife.

Prices vary by operator and area.

DB - As Larry indicates, prices vary a lot. So does species availability - especially what you are looking for in one safari.

I've hunted TZ plenty, in most parts of the country. I would likely suggest a 2 location safari, a suggestion that can easily be done. In addition, when you want a Robert's for example - your options are very limited.

If you are interested in help with this one, you can email me anytime at globalhunts@aol.com

Prices vary by the operators, but...

Expect if you get all of the prestige animals that you will be out about $250,000 with TF's, transport tips, etc.

That means ie, lion, leopard, 3 buff, oryx, greater and lesser kudu, gerenuk, grants gazelle, Thompson gazelle, etc. if you want elephant, it will be more, and if you need to go to multiple concessions, it will be more.

I know... I did this 3 years ago. TF's have gone up since then.

Also, some outfitters have an "unofficial" policy that a hunter will not get both cats on one hunt. Talk to client references, not just the guys selling them.

Make sure you get a guy who is producing cats for his hunters now (in other words afte the 6 year rule went in) if you really want a lion above all.

You will probably need to book in the masailand concessions for a lot of this. The full bag stuff is just plain expensive.

With Robert's gazelle on your list you are limited to Maswa GR or Maswa Makao. I do believe that some Robert's gazelle were taken in Natron North by Brittingham/TAWICO but I think they have lost that block?

Given your list, I would start with TGT or Robin Hurt and hunt more than one area as others have suggested.

Also, I would strongly recommend staying 28 days, doing so will give you extra time for lion...

DB Bill,
I would agree with crbutler at least for a budget. I did the full meal deal, plus took my wife, her sister and our daughter. They went on their own photo safari while I hunted (Mara river during great migration, Mtn Gorilla's, Zanzibar) and my trip plus theirs would buy you a really nice house in Sunny Southern California.
You only live once though.

Dahav is correct. I have it on good authority that Brittingham no longer has Natron North. And there are good Roberts' there.

It is insanely expensive. The round trip charter for the last place I went in TZ was $16,000.

The daily rates alone can approach $100,000. With the animals you want , it is assuredly a 2 area Safari.m can it be done? Absolutely ! If one is willing to pay.

crbutler:

I think it would be really hard to get both cats in a 21 day, especially if you split it between areas and wanted quality (not just bait) buffalo and some of the more difficult plains game species. (Leaving out elephant given USF&W's current position). Hunting cats is a lot of work.

Larry's right on cost and cost of charters. My last unintentional charter from the hunting area to Dar was about $8k one way. Planned on a $400 commercial flight to Dar, but missed it due to an animal taken extremely late on the last day. (Yes, it was a conscious choice and it was worth it). If you go the commercial route, which I recommend due to cost, you might want to build in a non-hunting day at minimal cost so you don't get caught short like I did.

DB Bill,

"Food for thought":

If you have the time, I would suggest looking at 30 days; 2 dedicated for transfers and 28 committed to "real" hunting time. Convince the outfitter not to apply daily rate charges for the transfer days.

Tanzania, being unique for its diversity of game, is the only hunting destination in Africa that can offer multiple species in one well programmed trip.

I suggest you go through the list of the available variety of game then consider splitting the hunt between the Selous for the southern species and a choice between either North or West for the others.

A 21/28 day license entitles you to a "full bag" and contrary to what one poster has said, it is your paid privilege to hunt both cats on your hunt - any TZ outfitter who claims otherwise should be reconsidered.

By selecting the right outfitter he can even make it possible for you to briefly move into a 3rd area for a few days to hunt one or two or more, as the case may be, which are not available in any of the other two.

Just a question of planning.

Fujo,

I didn't say you could not legally do it, I said that some outfitters privately won't let you shoot both. It is a big difference. That is why I suggested talking to clients who hunted there, as I doubt that anyone will TELL you that is their policy before you book for 6 figures.

I know you can take both, I did.

The success rates for Lion in Tanzania are way down from the heyday, but the trophy quality of what is being shot is a lot better thanks to the new rule.

Yes, the area you chose will make a big difference in what is available. I am not sure one can get everything the OP mentioned in any one area at this point, but I have not been everywhere over there.

TGT's Maswa concession and Lake Natron are the only areas that have significant Robert's Gazelle populations to my knowledge. Bushman's area has quota for Robert's, but I don't think any have been shot there, at least not this year (I tried, didn't see any or any Grant's).

Maswa does not have Gerenuk or Fringe Eared Oryx to my knowledge, and Lesser Kudu are not very common at all there either.

I have been told that Lake Natron is not that good for buffalo or Lion, but its great for the various PG species. I have not been there, so that is all secondhand.

All I am is a client hunter, so I could well be wrong about the subtleties there, but that is my experience. I do know that charter prices are very high, and that since the hunts will have to generally use other companies concessions to access some of the more localized animals (in particular Robert's) the price will go way north if you want to do a one and done get most everything Tanzania offers hunt.

I have done 3 hunts there on 21 day license, but I have never split the hunts up between concessions, but then again, I like having a reason to go back.

I know it is also possible to buy multiple licenses there as well- Saeed does this regularly. If it is a matter of just how long you stay, you can do a 6 month hunt there with enough dough. On one license, I agree that getting everything will be tough, but in the right area both cats are doable, but your odds are not real great- probably (depending on area and PH) 50-70% with a 21-28 day stay. Some areas you will have the odds really stacked against you. Lion will be the bigger problem. The other issue is what time of year you want to go- the PG hunting is probably better in the dry season, but you won't be able to look through the bigger herds of Buffalo or Wildebeest, and the Lion follow those herds, at least in the Masailand/northern areas, which is what you are talking about with the PG list the OP gave.

Guys, this particular hunt he's looking for would not be that hard to do! That's not to insinuate it would be 100% successful (lion being the most difficult) nor could it in my opinion, be done in one area/one license - nor would it necessarily be cheap. But it could definitely be done, likely with 18-21 days in 1 area and 7 - 10 days in the other. Its simply about knowing the areas/operators, and who has what, where.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
DB Bill,

"Food for thought":

If you have the time, I would suggest looking at 30 days; 2 dedicated for transfers and 28 committed to "real" hunting time. Convince the outfitter not to apply daily rate charges for the transfer days.

Tanzania, being unique for its diversity of game, is the only hunting destination in Africa that can offer multiple species in one well programmed trip.

I suggest you go through the list of the available variety of game then consider splitting the hunt between the Selous for the southern species and a choice between either North or West for the others.

A 21/28 day license entitles you to a "full bag" and contrary to what one poster has said, it is your paid privilege to hunt both cats on your hunt - any TZ outfitter who claims otherwise should be reconsidered.

By selecting the right outfitter he can even make it possible for you to briefly move into a 3rd area for a few days to hunt one or two or more, as the case may be, which are not available in any of the other two.

Just a question of planning.

Fujotupu,

Why not wipe down the double polish up a few cartridges and help out this fellow?

Andrew,

Am sorely tempted venturing into the sticks for the forthcoming season, especially in consideration of the 3 month extension or as some like to put it, redefinition of the closed hunting period being 1st April to 30th June.

Now that you mentioned it, I was giving the double and lesser members of the gun safe a fondle just the other day; I now know what a Pointer feels when he sees his master holding a shotgun.

I didn't realize the Robert's wasn't found with the Grant's and Thompson's but a Grant's and Thompson's are important.

Then a number of the masailand concessions will cover you.

Some species are not real numerous in certain spots, but still possible.

I got pretty much all the stuff you mentioned except Gerenuk and Roberts at Lokisale in 21 days.

I think there are a number of places that can do a good general bag, but you will need to decide if one animal that may be a local rarity is an issue for you and then talk with the outfitter and past clients to see if the must haves are all there.

DB sent you a PM

Mike