My sister-in-law and her husband are missionary doctors with the Imanuel group of hospitals and have been shortlisted for a job in South Sudan with the WHO.

I was wondering if it would be possible to do any hunting if we visited them.

The standard firearm is an AK47.

Mike

Funny that you ask about this,just last week, I was talking to a fellow with HuntLogic based in Denver. He told me that they have been approched by a South Sudanese imagrient, who claims to have high placed connections in the new country that could help them set upa hunting operation there. They are looking into it and may make a investigatory trip there to check it out. Thay have gooffy Kob and other antilope you cant find anywhere else.

Naki, I was fortunate enough to make it into and out of CAR in January with no issues. That said, that portion of Africa is nothing but a boiling cauldron of turmoil. I don't think I would go back. Sudan, South Sudan, Chad, CAR, DRC are all places that I don't know if they will ever really be "safe" destinations for the traveling international sportsman. I am willing to give Cameroon a try to kill a Forest Sitatunga, but just barely. Those Kob can live on as far as I care.

Other "Mainstream" Safari destinations are too safe, too easy to get to, for me to risk my life to hunt there again.

Steve

I wouldn't lump the CAR in with those other countries as several outfitters have been operating there quite successfully for a long time despite the immense challenges. Of note is Rudy Lubin who has been running hunting safaris there for almost 40 years.

As for South Sudan, I believe that at least one outfitter who is also an AR member here spent some time there attempting to set up shop but gave up because of the political intrigues and other complications.

I did a bit of research myself on the potential for ecotourism there and almost everyone involved in South Sudan from USAID to UNEP to the IUCN to the WCS believe that ecotourism is an inevitability there, and lots of outfitters are just waiting for things to settle down (which they haven't).

As for trophy hunting, the Wildlife Conservation and National Parks Act seems designed to include trophy hunting as an integral part of South Sudan's wildlife management plan but it will probably be years before any tourism, hunting or otherwise, will be viable there.

Still, your sister-in-law's husband might want to email Jane Kahata of the Sudan Transitional Environment Program (STEP). I expect she would be only too happy to let them know what the current status is. Jane Kahata: jkahata@yahoo.com

But even if they can't hunt, just witnessing the great migrations of White-Eared Kob, Tiang and Mongalla Gazelle would be something to see.

Don't go there if you are into witchcraft!

They seem to hunt each other quite a lot. It could be that you could have an unusual trophy, a pair of ears on the wall, that is if yours do not end up on someone else's? The place does not compare to anything under the "Long White Cloud."

A friend of mine, Chuck Bazzy, hunted Sudan extensively in Sudan starting in 1961. If there was any hope of hunting there again Chuck would be there. He's personally talked with the people who could possibly organize it and they say 'not possible'.

I may be wrong but I think Steve Kobrine is working on getting S Sudan open and outfitting there.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201206120059.html


The Star (Nairobi)



Kenya: KWS Trains 39 Rangers for South Sudan
By Raphael Mwadime, 10 June 2012



The government will spend Sh27 million in the ongoing training of wildlife officers from South Sudan in a bid to safeguard the conservation of wildlife in the East African region.

KWS director Julius Kipngetich said the programme is part of an on-going training and capacity building initiative between the two governments. He was speaking during the graduation of 39 wildlife officers from the Republic of South Sudan at the Kenya Wildlife Service Law Enforcement Academy at Manyani in the Tsavo West National Park last week. This is the first group of officers to be trained in Kenya since South Sudan became a republic on July 9, 2011.

The programme was launched after the signing of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement in 2005 when Kenya pledged to train South Sudan government employees in various Kenyan Institutions. "Kenya has a long history of managing wildlife and will strive to ensure that South Sudan will endeavour to emulate and follow the same route," said Kipngetich.

He said Kenya is ready to train wildlife officials on various skills related to wildlife conservation and management to enhance their capacity in wildlife protection. "We hope the 39 officers, who have been undergoing an intensive training in anti-poaching and wildlife security operations at the academy will boost wildlife conservation and the tourism industry in the region," he said. The graduation was attended by a representative of the South Sudan Embassy in Kenya Riak Kiir Deng.

He thanked the Kenyan government for its continued support to South Sudan citing the training course as part of human capacity transformation which will enable the young nation to excel economically. He said the civil war in the country that resulted to 21 years of unrest had led to an immense depletion of wildlife numbers because of mismanagement of parks. "Survey studies have shown that Boma National Park as well as the Sudd Wetland and Southern National Park near Congo provided habitats for large populations of Kobs and Topis (Two types of antelope) buffalos, elephants among others but the numbers have since reduced," he said.

He told the officers to share the knowledge and skills they had acquired from the training with their colleagues back home. The 39 are part of a group of 79 officers, 40 of whom are being trained at the KWS Institute in Naivasha. A total of 126 wildlife officers have so far been trained both at the KWS Institute, Naivasha and the Law Enforcement Academy in Tsavo West National Park. In December 2009, the first batch of 60 officers graduated from Naivasha and Law Enforcement Academy. The Wildlife Conservation and management sector has been one of the beneficiaries of the training programme being coordinated on behalf of the Kenyan Government by the Kenya South Sudan Liaison Office.

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"Kenya has a long history of mismanaging wildlife ... ... ... "

Isn't there currently an active war between Sudan and So. Sudan in their border dispute?

As Steve states, there are many other safer and better places to hunt in Africa.

In a word....No!

Rich Elliott

Anyone know how old Angelo Dacey is now? He seems fit as a fiddle and, given that I think he still operates in the North along the Red Sea, I would think that if S. Sudan were a viable option then he would be on it very quickly. Perhaps I am narrow minded, but I view this man as the barometer.

There's lots of places I'd rather be killed than Sudan

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Originally posted by Gayne C. Young:
There's lots of places I'd rather be killed than Sudan

Not me ... if my only option was to choose where, the African bush has a lot more appeal than anywhere else I could think of.

But that's me ... ... ...

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Originally posted by Gayne C. Young:
There's lots of places I'd rather be killed than Sudan

From days long since gone....but I would risk death for a set of teeth like any of these.

HOLY BALLS!!!!!!

I hunted in CAR and Cameroon in the past year, and live in Cairo. Based on what I see of the masses of Sudanese refugees in Cairo, I think there are better places to hunt.

I have a friend, Nigel Theisen, who hunts the Karamoja in Uganda now. I have hunted there myself with Nigel. The Karamoja borders South Sudan. Nigel has a good friend who is well connected in Sudan. About a year ago...they did and exploratory trip to South Sudan to explore the feasibility of opening hunting there. It may happen at some point...but it is just NOT feasible at this time due to security and instability of the government...IE: the people who would grant the rights to a concession. Landmines are still a major problem there as well.

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by Gayne C. Young:
There's lots of places I'd rather be killed than Sudan

From days long since gone....but I would risk death for a set of teeth like any of these.

I'm with you
I know a hunter who has a pair of tusks in his collection, hunted in the sixtys. I'd go there tomorrow.....

why would you want to hunt in a country that is literally at war with it's neighbor?? i know the war is currently in the northern part of the country but things have a nasty way of changing in Africa quickly. my death wish just isn't that strong.

My BIL & SIL (wife's sister & husaband) are right now in South Sudan. They are both missionary doctors. They are there for a week or so to check the place out. The project will have over 100 people living in tented camps.

If the decide to work there, they will go early next year. I wonder if hunting is possible there.

Multiple problems in the Sudan. Not only the dispute between the North and the South. More important is the clans in the South have a serious go at each other on a regular basis. They only band together when there is a common enemy and not for long. Lots of ordinance to contend with. Wink can attest to that part. No one has political control to the point you can make a deal and have it stick. Animals are still there but no one knows what kind of numbers so there can be no hunting until someone does surveys. Only then can a conservation plan be put in place. Too many in the "govt" have their hands out. Ak's are a dime a dozen, and last but not least we have the land mine issue. Now that I said all that I would be right there if and when the opportunity arose and I was able. Like Matt said Chuck hunted the Sudan as a ph from the early 60s on until it shut down. My God what a unique and wonderful place. Last I heard from Chuck, Angelo had shelved any idea of hunting in the south for now.

I think it is safe to say if and when it opens White Eared Kob, Tiang and Mongalla Gazelle will be on the "shopping list". These antelopes make up the 1.3 million animal migration centered around the Boma NP.

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by Gayne C. Young:
There's lots of places I'd rather be killed than Sudan

From days long since gone....but I would risk death for a set of teeth like any of these.

Sometimes death is the easy part, it's the getting there that sucks ...

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by Gayne C. Young:
There's lots of places I'd rather be killed than Sudan

From days long since gone....but I would risk death for a set of teeth like any of these.

do you really think there are elephants like that roaming around a country where everyone has an AK and such a set of tusks would be worth 5 lifetimes wages??

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
My BIL & SIL (wife's sister & husaband) are right now in South Sudan. They are both missionary doctors. They are there for a week or so to check the place out. The project will have over 100 people living in tented camps.

If the decide to work there, they will go early next year. I wonder if hunting is possible there.

Nakibhai:

If your sister and cousin brother are in the Sudan, who better than they could provide the information you seek?

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Originally posted by jdollar:

Do you really think there are elephants like that roaming around a country where everyone has an AK and such a set of tusks would be worth 5 lifetimes wages??

Almost certainly not...and if it could be commercially done even for tusks half that weight, Dacey would be offering the opportunity. I actually have an informal contact in South Sudan and have recently been invited for some hunting. It would only be for small game and/or birds but frankly, even at that, I am considering it just to see the place. What was it that sitting bull said, "When the buffalo are all gone, we shall hunt mice. For we are hunters". I am tempted to go to this place just to say I hunted there and I don't really need a 100 pounder to get myself on a plane.

My SIL & her husband are not hunters and know nothing about hunting & hence my question on AR.

Thanks to thse who have replied seriously & thanks for the PMs & support from others.

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Nakibhai:

If your sister and cousin brother are in the Sudan, who better than they could provide the information you seek?

Hell if we are going to let the Kenyans be the shinning example for wildlife management, we might as well have the Nigerians handle all the bank transfers.

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Originally posted by Mike Smith:
Hell if we are going to let the Kenyans be the shinning example for wildlife management, we might as well have the Nigerians handle all the bank transfers.

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Originally posted by retreever:
The standard firearm is an AK47.

Mike

Most probably AKM's

http://www.outsideonline.com/a...-Sudan.html?page=all


This month's Outside magazine (see attached) has a good article on the current conditions in South Sudan.

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Originally posted by chuck375:

Sometimes death is the easy part, it's the getting there that sucks ...

Words of wisdom there my friend and Sudan would be the place to find out just how bad it can suck.

My business partner, friend, and PH who has been to South Sudan and hunts along its border in Uganda...says still not feasible at this time.

Minister for wildlife (Culture, Sport etc.) is a PhD from the univ of Kent!!!

SO???

Here is an example of the brutality that can happen in those cultures. When the LRA (Lord's Resistance Army) captured the region north of the Nile in Uganda (basically the northern half)...they went into every village and killed every male and most of the women (eventually) between the ages of 16 & 50 (may have my ages off a bit but the basis is true). They then made all of the children hack the bodies in pieces small enough to fit into pots, boil them, and eat them.

That my friend is fact. The LRA have been removed from Uganda (which is quite safe now) and are thought to be in the DRC. But similar events have transpired in Darfur region of Sudan.

If, and it seems that's a BIG IF, South Sudan does reopen one day I wonder if there will be any 100lb elephant taken in the southern part of that country.

I think in some of the books I've read that at one time some big tuskers were taken. Of course alot has transpired there since those books were written.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Minister for wildlife (Culture, Sport etc.) is a PhD from the univ of Kent!!!

Wildlife has its own Ministry with its own Minister: The Honorable Gabriel Changson Chang. Unfortunately Minister Chang seems to be all talk, no action.

Link: Ministry of Wildlife Conversation and Tourism