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Assuming the animals in question are cape buffalo and elephant ... Pardon the blatant plagarism, but thought this was a logical follow up question to a good post without hijacking the original ... Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | ||
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The .500 will do pretty much the same thing as the .458, but it'll do it a hell of a lot faster and with a lot more authority!  Seriously, that can matter in certain circumstances. If they're down right now, you don't have to chase 'em, and follow ups, if needed, are a cinch. But regardless of caliber, good bullet placement is the key. So, one shouldn't use a .500, if a .458 is the maximum that he can shoot accurately. IMHO, and IMH experience, of course.  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Agree 100% Karl Stumpfe Ndumo Hunting Safaris www.huntingsafaris.net karl@huntingsafaris.net P.O. Box 1667, Katima Mulilo, Namibia Cell: +264 81 1285 416 Fax: +264 61 254 328 Sat. phone: +88 163 166 9264 | |||
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Again, #1 the 500NE will work best in a double rifle, and the 458 will work best in a bolt rifle. #2 the 500NE will create more recoil than the 458Win Mag. #3 the 500NE will develop a lot more energy than the 458 Win Mag, and #4 the 500NE will do more tissue damage with the same bullet placement than the 458 Win Mag ! …………..AND the 500NE in a double rifle would be my choice over the 458Win Mag in a bolt rifle, and more so in a double rifle for Cape Buffalo or elephant or anything more dangerous than a black bear, in close quarters! ............................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I have always felt that the perfect DG hunting rifle setup is a 500NE double with a 458 lott bolt gun. They are much of a muchness ballistically and serve different purposes in the bolt and double. The lott can also be loaded with 315gr GS HV's to shoot everything that needs speed and accuracy and importantly longer range. The lott with a 300-350gr monmetal is a better 375 with the option of putting some good 450gr FN solids through it for DGwork. I would say that for most 90% of your life you would carry the bolt gun with a detachable scope. Except when hunting Elephant and Hippo on land or going into thick stuff. There is one other thing that the 458/Lott can do and that is to shoot a lot for a lott less money than the 500. They each have their place. That place may vary in every hunters life depending on the type and regularity of hunting of different species and in varying scenarios. Good luck HQ | |||
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IMO,nothing the lott can't do.The Lott loaded with the 550 a grainer for 2150 is serious business. | |||
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The 500 will definitely loosen your fillings from your teeth! | |||
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Kicks harder! | |||
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The original question asked about a .500, not a .500 NE, so the .500 Jeffery and other .50 caliber magazine rifle calibers are presumably inicluded in the equation. My experience with both has been that the .458 bullet provides more penetration, which is not necessarily a good thing. It will generally exit a broadside shot on a buffalo, with the danger of unintentionally wounding whatever is on the far side, causing a definitely unwished for situation. The effect of a .458 bullet on an elephant's skull, assuming a brain shot gone awry, seems to be less than that of a .500 caliber bullet. John Taylor certainly thought so. I originally built my little .505 to have something to use to put my .458 WM in perspective, but I ended up using it in place of the .458 and as far as recoil was concerned, never noticed it when shooting at game. Of course, I generally practiced with reduced loads and saved the filling looseners for the real thing. | |||
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Well, it sure as hell will make a bigger hole! | |||
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Could I ask your reduced load recipe, and whether you used cast lead bullets for practice? I'm trying to find a reduced load for my .505 Gibbs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition” ― Rudyard Kipling | |||
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I was going with...be chambered in a proper double rifle! Good one though. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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The PH I'm using next year for buffalo says he doesn't notice any difference in killing power (on any animal shot appropriately) between a 9.3 x 62, .375 of any flavor, .416 of any flavor or the .458 Winchester magnum. When you get to the .500 caliber cartridges, then he advised there is a difference as far as what he's seen and he believes the .500 Nitro Express and .500 Jeffery cartridges to be the best for stopping cartridges. He agreed the .458 Lott was also a good one from the few times he's seen it used on buffalo and elephant. Anyway, that's just one mans opinion but he does have, I believe, over 30 years experience in the field. That ought to lend some credence to the opinion. Thanks, jfm | |||
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There is a remarkable difference between 458 and .500. I don't use .510s, but true .500 caliber cartridges, the B&M and 500 MDM, in Winchester M70s. Having used 458 Winchester, 458 Lott, 50 B&M and 500 MDM on several buffalo, elephant and lot's of plains game and such I promise you diameter makes a difference with all else being the same. Shot placement needless to say is first, Blah Blah, yes everyone should know that by now, but bullet selection is most important. Same bullet, same velocity, 458 and .500 or .510, then the "Fives" win EVERY SINGLE TIME! When shot placement is not so good, with the right bullets, the "Fives" win again! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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That sums it up nicely. Mike | |||
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For those who reply on caliber to make up for poor shot placement, the 500's are wonderful.  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Reply? I think you meant "Rely"? Maybe? How the hell did you ever write a book? I wonder? Anyway, yeah, stir the pot a bit! Will relate a quick experience about poor shot placement on buffalo that I DID this past June in Zimbabwe. First morning out, have a bull broadside at about 50 yds. In the brush a bit, but looked clear from what I could see--which was the problem, seeing! New glasses, not really used to them and had never shot with glasses, yes I should have practiced that, but I did not think I would be doing any long range shooting at 50 yds, somewhat of a sin I reckon, murder in the very least! Anyway, bad shot, straight through broadside stomach--perfect stomach shot, could not have done a better stomach shot at all! Shooting the new "Wonder" bullet, a 460 CEB BBW#13 NonCon at 2450 fps, 500 MDM, .500 caliber! Straight through and exited. Bucked up, ran off! Blood looked bad! Oh Crap! Short Followup, bull had gone only around a 100 yds and pulled up. Came around from the back, he was very sick, in a lot of brush, was only about 20 yds, worked my way around to the front before he started to run again, was able to put one in through the lungs at an angle, he went 10 yds and piled up stone cold dead! Stomach shot had exited, bull was very sick. That's a short followup on a stomach shot buffalo I reckon, combination of "Wonder" bullet, and .500 caliber I suppose! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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There is a comforting feeling when you're walking through thick stuff with a 500 Jeffery in your hands, even though I've only hunted some big hogs with it so far ... I kind of wish I had it restocked by CZ in Kevlar and CeraKote'd for my alaska brown bear trip this month, but buying a stainless / synthetic 375 H&H cost me about the same and I ended up with another rifle that weighs about 4 lbs less ... Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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You guys that are always pitching something are so sensitive to any opposing opinions, or any questioning of your hype. Undoubtedly if anything is hit anywhere with a 500 caliber bullet it just rolls over and dies. Save your bullshit for the rookies that know no better. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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or walking through the bush with a 460 Weatherby | |||
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I got nothing to sell you or pitch to you, and could care less of your opinion! Hype? Bullshit? Sounds like you are sensitive to me? Chuck asked, I told, end of story! You wanted to Smartass!Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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If it is a 500 ASquare it is a big difference on recoil. I have hunted a few times with a PH that uses one and he claims it penetrates better. BigB | |||
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I don't know about wildcats etc., but if you're using a 500 jeffery or a 505 gibbs, or a double in 500, and IF the animal sees you before he's shot, he feels much better about dying by a classic venerable cartridge.  My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them. -Winston Churchill | |||
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Will, you sir are trying to defend an indefensible position. Anything 500 or large will kill a buffalo no matter where it is hit. This video is: proof And for real men, placing the shot with a 500 is just as easy as it would be with a 375. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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what will a .600NE do that a .500NE won't do? endless idiotic arguments. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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