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going to moz end of june. going with kan from inafrica safaris who a friend of mine has hunted with alot in s africa (he actually invested and has a house on their place there) they have been in business along time and are trusted. they just started hunting in moz a few years ago have seen different reports about moz depending on where you go. we will be going in the gaza area north of kruger about 3 miles from zimbabwe. its hard to find info about this area. any info? my father and i are after buffalo mainly and maybe a few other things such as warthog. thanks | ||
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What is the real question here? (Quote) “going to moz end of june. going with kan from inafrica safaris who a friend of mine has hunted with alot in s africa (he actually invested and has a house on their place there)†So you assume he knows what he is doing? (Quote) they have been in business along time and are trusted. they just started hunting in moz a few years ago You trust them? (Quote) have seen different reports about moz depending on where you go. we will be going in the gaza area north of kruger about 3 miles from zimbabwe. its hard to find info about this area. any info? No information, because there is no legal and licensed Hunting operation and no quota for non resident hunting in the area or for this company! (Quote) my father and i are after buffalo mainly and maybe a few other things such as warthog. You can find better areas for buffalo in Mozambique however buffalo and warthog are possible in the area. Why ask if you already made the decision to hunt with them? I would not hunt with any company that offer illegal hunts on their website but that are just me! From their website http://inafricasafaris.net/Big_Game_Packages.html “10 Day Rouge Elephant Hunt in Mozambique. $ 12,500.†Free tip of the day: Take enough cash with, nearly anything can be solved with some money on / in hand in Mozambique. Cheers | |||
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Good Point Ozhunter I forget about that problem Most mines are still from the Rhodesian war, lots of mines in the area were laid by the Rhodesian forces to block the infiltration of “Freedom fighters†and as ambushes for Frelimo troops that would follow them after a raid on terrorist camps inside Mozambique, in return the Frelimo laid anti tank mines on tracks used by the Rhodesian forces to enter Mozambique to attack guerrilla bases inside Mozambique! Lot of mines got setup by elephants and other animals or destroyed by fire, however there are still some left. Last time I was in the area I came across 2 locations where the track was mined. These are the coordinates S21.29’03 E32.20’13 and S21 31’20 E32.18’00 according to the local police with antitank mines and protected by anti personnel mines. We made a new track around the areas! There are two water ponds at S21.33’47 E32.15’20 and S21.25’47 E32.23’23 that are filled during the raining season and attract some game. Fact is that there more landmines in Zimbabwe then in Mozambique and who worries about landmines in Zimbabwe? cheers | |||
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Check your Dip and Pack fees and transport fees on trophies out of there before you commit!! I have been hit with a $1250 bill for 4 bloody animals, plus $380 already charged to get them to the d&p firm...and this is before the forwarders and air freight people get a hold of them!! 470EDDY | |||
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TheTexasKid The area is a nice area, it is dense as hell, but likely to have good hunting for Buff there. If you have a look at our website, you will see a photo of a river taken from the air, that is the border between Kruger and Zimbabwe in the Sengwe Safari area, it is as close a photo I got of the area you will be hunting. We fly into Gon are zhoue to drop off hunters often and the bush can get really thick in parts. Im going up to go and hunt a buff there in Sept 08. | |||
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470eddy, .458aubs-thanks for the info freischuetz-settle down man boer and kan (inafrica safaris) have been guiding hunts in s africa since early 90's. my buddy has been 7 times, most times with inafrica at their s africa ranch where he invested with them to buy more land. he has never been with them to mozambique as they just started hunting there in '04 i believe. my father and i wanted to hunt wild country as far away from high fences as possible which is why we settled on moz. kan has told us about their camp there, etc...but just trying to get as much input/info as possible thanks | |||
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Texas... Freischuetz has a very vailid point. Looking at the quota's there is no legal hunting in that area. | |||
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Texaskid I don’t know how the Lacy act could affect you once you back in the states? My understanding if you hunt in a foreign country outside the legal framework you could end up in a lots of unnecessary trouble. But I am no expert on this US Law. We got about 30 licensed and legal safari areas and game farms in Mozambique why not use one of them? Do you think it is advisable to support people which operating in grey or illegal ways outside the Mozambican laws? Would you buy stolen goods? I think responsible hunters should avoid hunts with operators that offer grey or as in your case illegal hunts even if you don’t hunt a “rouge†elephant with inafrica it shows that they don’t care about regulations, clients or laws. If no clients would hunt with them they would go out of business or try to run the operation legal! Hunters using this grey operators support corruption in the host country and damaging all legal operators and conservation efforts it also gives very bad publicity to hunting in general. And the prices are not that good to take the chances! The choices are yours! Cheers | |||
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Where's Wendell and his buddy Yukon, demanding "proof" and "evidence" of these "serious allegations"? Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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If anyone has the list of Outfitters/Hunting Areas and their quotas for Mozambique , please display that on this forum, and that includes community based areas Walter Enslin kwansafaris@mweb.co.za DRSS- 500NE Sabatti 450 Rigby 416 Rigby | |||
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heard from my PH. will be hunting in gaza prov near the town of Mavue in the Massangena district. hunting on 100,000 acre private ranch and will have a government scout with us the entire time. Kan (Imofauna Safaris which is what they call the mozambique operation) has been hunting there since '04 with no problems. thanks and still can use any info/comments (except from freischuetz, had enough of his crap) | |||
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Hey Bwana, it's probably not a good idea to shoot the messenger for bringing you bad news. The guy has been operating up there for some considerable years and he does usually know what he's talking about in these matters. It's also a fact that in both 2007 & 2008, the Mozambique Govt/GD removed an awful lot of quota from non coutada areas.......... you'd be better advised to listen to his comments and then ask him for more info and then do some of your own research. Either of you could be right at this stage.......... the point of this forum is to exchange information rather than insults. You asked a question and he answered it to the best of his knowledge  Regarding the Lacey act, I doubt you'd have any problems on that score unless someone you're doing business with there, is also doing business with the Zimbabwe Govt etc. FWIW, Ganyana also knows what he's talking about and his advice is also worth listening to........... | |||
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Hi Steve Read this and you find that the Lacey act is not only in regards to Zimbabwean hunts applicable. Quote> Prohibitions on Activities. The Act makes it illegal to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire or purchase fish, wildlife or plants taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of a federal law, treaty, regulation or Indian tribal law. It also is illegal for a person to import, export, transport, sell, receive, acquire or purchase in interstate or foreign commerce: fish or wildlife taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of a state law, state regulation or foreign law; plants taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of a state law or regulation. The Act also makes it illegal to possess within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.: fish or wildlife taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of a state law, state regulation, foreign law or Indian tribal law; plants taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of a state law or regulation. Extract from: http://ipl.unm.edu/cwl/fedbook/laceyame.html Cheers | |||
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Hi Buddy, I wasn't suggesting it applies to Zimbabwe only, I meant that it referrs to a named list of people........ however, I wasn't aware of the part of the act that you quoted and now I've seen that, I see your point of how it could easily apply. - My apologies & thanks. | |||
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Hi Steve No need to apologize Just posted the Moz Quotas for 2008 but it is all “Srap†Cheers | |||
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Freischutz thanks for your info on Moz.  | |||
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Hi Kwan here a the quotas https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/189105748 Cheers | |||
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In the US, the Office of Foreign Assets Control publishes the list of Specially-Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons (the so-called "OFAC List") that US citizens are restricted from dealing with. That may be what you had in mind. I believe that the Lacey Act is separate. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I think that was the name of the list I was referring to, but as I understand it, the prosecution takes place under the auspices of the Lacey Act....... however, I'm not a lawyer and perhaps someone who is, could explain how it works please? | |||
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Sorry, that is not my area. However, my vague understading is that Lacey Act prosecutions are for taking wildlife illegally -- that is in violation of the laws of the subject country inside or outside the US. There are specific US penalities for dealing with presons on the OFAC list whether that is a hunting arrangement or some other transaction. You could be inviolation of the Lacey Act without dealing with a person on the OFAC list, and you could be in contravention of the OFAC rules without hunting. If you were really in trouble you could violate both I suppose.
 Sorry for the hijack. I think the issue here is that if trophies are exported from Mozambique in violation of the law there you can be subject to US prosecution. I am not saying that there is any violation in what is described -- I am not a Moz lawyer.CONSULT LEGAL COUNSEL OF YOUR OWN CHOOSING. THE PRECEEDING IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ONLY AND NOT LEGAL ADVICE IN ANY COUNTRY. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Thanks Freicheutz, I just wanted too confirm what we were given at the Tchuma Tchato meeting in Tete, and it confirms ones again there is a idiot somewhere that has no idea, We , in Thuvi get Roan on quota but accrdong to your non huntable list they are verboten, and on the community quotas we have 4, and I have only seen One, and there is no way in hell that I will even think of offering them with those low numbers, Last year we had two cites elephant, on Friday we were informed for thisyear none, @#$#@$@#$@#$ now we have too request a review from Maputo ? Walter Enslin kwansafaris@mweb.co.za DRSS- 500NE Sabatti 450 Rigby 416 Rigby | |||
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Welcome to Mozambique!! ...... the bloody place always was a monumental stuff up on legs.... I really take my hat off to you guys who have the patience to operate up there on a regular basis. If the Government and GD ever really get their shit sorted out, it could be a paradise. | |||
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Just so that people don't get the wrong impression hunting Mozambique does not have to be a cluster f--- or expensive. We work with Bahati and Mokore Safaris there and you will have nothing but trouble free expereince with them. I hunted with Mokore this last season and had a fantastic hunt at Zim prices. in '09 I'm hunting with Bahati and expecting nothing but a first class expereince. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Have you been in an accident or something? I would be friends with you too except you're an idiot. Does Kotze know you are advising people not to hunt in Zim? _______________________________  | |||
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Russ made a couple of posts about a change in control of a concession in Zimbabwe. Wendell asked him to substantiate it. Maybe you agreed? In any event Russ did not follow up then but feels you should be requiring similar proof from Freischuetz (who has posted quotas and other relevant information in a separate thread to substantiate his posts here). Of course, it is off topic in this thread but so is my reply! ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Could be. Hard to say with Russ what he's thinking or if he's thinking. Yes, he was not able to substantiate his rumors either online or offline. It wasn't the first time he has done that either. _______________________________ | |||
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If there's one thing I've learned about Mozambique is that you need to make very sure you only ever deal with guys who have been established up there for many years. Do that and you'll get a good hunt at a good price. Use the wrong operator and you'll get nothing but headaches. Of course, that statement could be applied anywhere in Africa, but it applies to Mozambique in spades. The other thing to recognise is that the coutadas work very differently to the other areas. Of the Mozambique operators who post here.... I've met some personally and I know the rest by reputation and all of them are up front guys who all know what they're talking about........ | |||
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