http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...-bear-cubs-1.3141652

This is to highlight the hypocrisy of the mainstream media and the POS celebrities who harass ethical hunters and campaign against managed hunting yet ignore things like these. Did you know that PETA itself kills thousands of animals every year?

PETA killing thousands of animals is old news to those who want to know. But most don't and most media outlets will not report it anyways.

Sad state of affairs with this and the bear cubs but, I am sure there is more too this than what is in the media. There always is.

In more and more places where bears are increasing and the complaints are increasing the game departments are euthanizing the bears. They do not have the money or time for repeat occurrences and the they view the cubs as having learned from the sow.

I am not agreeing with all of what they do, just saying there is likely more to this story.

those asshat BC administrators need to be fired and find other work as they sure as hell do not understand "conservation". Kill the cubs..WTH???

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Originally posted by DTala:
those asshat BC administrators need to be fired and find other work as they sure as hell do not understand "conservation". Kill the cubs..WTH???

Why should not those cubs be killed if that is what is deemed necessary?

The field officer who was despatched, killed the mother but assessed the 8week cubs as not habituated.

Maybe the chiefs in the head office can explain how they better assessed the situation from the remoteness of their desk?

Send the CO the bill for feeding a couple bears for 2 years while somehow not becoming accustomed to humans. Then release them in his own yard.

Its so hard to suspend a government employee without pay that his actions had to have been considered retarded.

Since this an African forum, change every "bear" to "baboon" and see if that makes sense. Others could substitute "coyotes", "skunks" or "rats" and see if it doesn't change from trying to make a hero out of this guy to calling for his head on a stick.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by DTala:
those asshat BC administrators need to be fired and find other work as they sure as hell do not understand "conservation". Kill the cubs..WTH???

Why should not those cubs be killed if that is what is deemed necessary?

who deemed it necessary??? I'll tell you who, some asshat admin in an downtown office who hasn't been in the field in years and has forgotten when he is suposed to do for a living. . I spent 26 years as a conservation officer and have seen the same order given for white-tail deer fawns...."just knock em in the head with a hammer and toss em in the ditch". What kind of person head hammers a week old fawn just because it it motherless???

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Originally posted by DTala:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by DTala:
those asshat BC administrators need to be fired and find other work as they sure as hell do not understand "conservation". Kill the cubs..WTH???

Why should not those cubs be killed if that is what is deemed necessary?

who deemed it necessary??? I'll tell you who, some asshat admin in an downtown office who hasn't been in the field in years and has forgotten when he is suposed to do for a living. . I spent 26 years as a conservation officer and have seen the same order given for white-tail deer fawns...."just knock em in the head with a hammer and toss em in the ditch". What kind of person head hammers a week old fawn just because it it motherless???

You should know then that a week-old deer fawn is 100% dead-meat in the wild. Like Dogleg says change the deer fawn to kangaroo.... a sharp blow to the back of the head is the prescribed field method (government endorsed) for dispatching kangaroo joeys that are deemed not capable of surviving on their own. Hundreds of thousands are killed this way by commercial harvesters every year (you cant always see small joeys in the pouches) - and only the most bitter and twisted anti's complain about the practice. True conservation involves 'tough love'.

maybe on a roo in your land, but not on a fawn or baby bear up here. "Tough love" ain't killing babies......

there are LOTS of rehabbers that will take those animals and raise em at no expense to the "government" types or to the CEOs.

I approve of zoos in these cases.

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Originally posted by DTala:
maybe on a roo in your land, but not on a fawn or baby bear up here. "Tough love" ain't killing babies......

there are LOTS of rehabbers that will take those animals and raise em at no expense to the "government" types or to the CEOs.

Last time I checked British Columbia is a long ways from Alabama so it isn't your land either. You can do whatever you want with your bears.

Zoos don't want them and rehabbers treat them like pets which they are not. Rehab centres only make people feel better. Tuff to say but sometimes a quick humane death is better than watching a bear pace the fence in a zoo. Oh and zoos are for the preservation of a species that is likely to become extinct, not for public entertainment but I guess we forgot about that. Also if the CO was suspended it serves him right for dereliction of duty euthanizing wildlife is part of the job if you can't do the job then Join green peace not the CO service. Conservation officers manage wildlife they're not there for their absolute protection. Conservation is not preservation.

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Originally posted by oddsix:
Zoos don't want them and rehabbers treat them like pets which they are not. Rehab centres only make people feel better. Tuff to say but sometimes a quick humane death is better than watching a bear pace the fence in a zoo. Oh and zoos are for the preservation of a species that is likely to become extinct, not for public entertainment but I guess we forgot about that. Also if the CO was suspended it serves him right for dereliction of duty euthanizing wildlife is part of the job if you can't do the job then Join green peace not the CO service. Conservation officers manage wildlife they're not there for their absolute protection. Conservation is not preservation.

Well said, except zoos are also for education, not just preservation of endangered species. Zoos have many more species in them than just the endangered types.

It is true that zoos and rehab facilities do not just take all-comers (orphaned wildlife).

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
Send the CO the bill for feeding a couple bears for 2 years while somehow not becoming accustomed to humans. Then release them in his own yard.

Its so hard to suspend a government employee without pay that his actions had to have been considered retarded.

they had to ship to the Zoo of Calgary two cubs that the mother was killed after breaking in two times. i think the best idea was to take them away why sending them for a lifetime jail. rehab wont work very often and removed bears are coming back even send 200 kms away ....

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Originally posted by Dogleg:

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Originally posted by DTala:
maybe on a roo in your land, but not on a fawn or baby bear up here. "Tough love" ain't killing babies......

there are LOTS of rehabbers that will take those animals and raise em at no expense to the "government" types or to the CEOs.

Last time I checked British Columbia is a long ways from Alabama so it isn't your land either. You can do whatever you want with your bears.

we can send them some wolves ....

DTala, you are wrong.

You are probably a good, knowledgeable person with a lot of experience, but other people have experience also.

Fostering ANY animal until it can be released back into the wild, WITHOUT getting the animal habituated to humans, is difficult at best.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Dogleg:

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Originally posted by DTala:
maybe on a roo in your land, but not on a fawn or baby bear up here. "Tough love" ain't killing babies......

there are LOTS of rehabbers that will take those animals and raise em at no expense to the "government" types or to the CEOs.

Last time I checked British Columbia is a long ways from Alabama so it isn't your land either. You can do whatever you want with your bears.

we can send them some wolves ....

Now there's an idea. We can send them on the same truck as the bears. Might as well make it full.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
DTala, you are wrong.

You are probably a good, knowledgeable person with a lot of experience, but other people have experience also.

Fostering ANY animal until it can be released back into the wild, WITHOUT getting the animal habituated to humans, is difficult at best.

I'd near bet none of the posters have ANY experience in rehabbing or in Conservation law enforcement, except maybe getting a ticket.

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Originally posted by DTala:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
DTala, you are wrong.

You are probably a good, knowledgeable person with a lot of experience, but other people have experience also.

Fostering ANY animal until it can be released back into the wild, WITHOUT getting the animal habituated to humans, is difficult at best.

I'd near bet none of the posters have ANY experience in rehabbing or in Conservation law enforcement, except maybe getting a ticket.

You would loose that bet--

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Originally posted by DTala:
maybe on a roo in your land, but not on a fawn or baby bear up here. "Tough love" ain't killing babies......

I thought we were talking bout bear cubs, not babies???

I'm shocked to see a veteran CO calling cubs and fawns "babies".

I'm offended that you are shocked....

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I'd near bet none of the posters have ANY experience in rehabbing or in Conservation law enforcement, except maybe getting a ticket.

Pay up DTala you just LOST your bet.

I worked 25 years at a major zoo here in Texas and we got all kinds of native wildlife to rehabilitate. The section I was in charge was dedicated to Native Texas wildlife and we got all kinds of wild "Babies" in the spring including white tails and young javelina, I even hand reared a badger.

Before that I held a Federal Wild Bird rehabilitators Permit for Sand hill Cranes for a few years.

Don't go trying to judge folks you have never met, based on just what you have experienced, people can fool you about experiences they have had but just don't talk about very much.

The vast majority of the time it is more merciful to put down young animals, especially those that are still largely dependent of the mother, if they are orphaned for whatever reason.

Any that require serious amounts of hand rearing never fit back in to the wild, and most zoos today will not take in orphaned/rehabilitated animals.

wasn't refering to you Crazy, I knew of your zoo time...

I'll bet you haven't farmed under circumstances where killing every bear is legal and normal. I've a hunch that you've never had to put your trust in a pack of deterrence hounds and a questionable electric fencing just to make a living. Heck I'll even go out on a limb and guess that you've never had a friend or co-worker killed by a bear.

That is the thing DTala. Lots of us have had all kinds of experiences.

Just like all the times I have hunted Late Season Cow Elk in western Colorado just off of Grand Mesa.

By the time I do those hunts in Mid to Late December - Early January, those cows are nearly ALL carrying twin calf fetuses, the size of a week old white tail fawn.

Many hunters won't do it, because with one shot your killing three elk, but it is set up that way as a realistic management practice.

I am not cold hearted or cold blooded, but God put us humans on Earth as Stewards of the planet and part of that responsibility is sometimes doing things that are distasteful, but are in the best overall interest of the specie(s) involved and the overall health of the Natural part of the planet.

Sorry if I offended you, I have just seen too many instances of kindness doing a lot more harm than good.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

Sorry if I offended you, I have just seen too many instances of kindness doing a lot more harm than good.

Like 'saving the mustangs' ... by putting them in a feedlot!!

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Like 'saving the mustangs' ... by putting them in a feedlot!!

That has always been a Hot Button issue, due to the average persons attitude toward horses, especially Americans.

The problem is, depending on a persons religious ideology, horses evolved in North America but then migrated across the Bering Land Bridge to Asia, and died out completely in North America.

There were no equines in North America until the Spanish started bringing them to America in the early 1500's.

In American Indian history, the Plains tribes who depending on the source, became the greatest horsemen on the planet, accomplished that over a span of about 300 years + or -.

In actuality horses and burros are harder on the environment than sheep, and being larger are much more destructive.