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This may have been posted elsewhere, but I did not see it. This is in regard to a handgun, still, given what happened, some of you all may wish to know about it. Hope this link works. http://www.markmeckler.com/nyc...now-i-can-speak-out/ SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI | ||
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Having lived under them most of my life, I abhor NY's gun laws, but this is just another half-wit who cannot be bothered to know the laws of the places he visits. Except in a few circumstances, it is unlawful for a non-resident to possess a handgun in New York State. Just about EVERYONE knows this. In NYC, it is unlawful for anyone to possess a handgun without a permit (or LEO status). Just about EVERYONE knows this, too. Coming from another bastion of gun control, Kommiefornia, you would think he'd have bothered to check the legality of traveling to NY with his handgun. He is lucky he got away so cheaply. George  | |||
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It's not right.....but the guy was still a moron. | |||
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Does this mean that no hunters should attempt to fly from or through any New York Airports? | |||
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The first time I flew out of NYC (2004), I called the NYPD to check the laws as I live in CT. I briefly explained that I would be flying to Johannesburg and bringing a rifle with me. The officer on the other end of the line (a woman) said “Watta you fuckin crazy?” I eventually got someone else on the line who explained that, technically, it would be illegal for me to transport my rifle through New York State, but once I got into the terminal I would be OK. I risked it. No problem. | |||
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BINGO! I refuse to fly through NY for just this reason. I prefer to use Atlanta! Less problems with guns in the south, generally nicer folks too.  | |||
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I live outside NYC, and have flown many times in and out of JFK with rifles (no handgun as yet) no problem at all, touch wood! | |||
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I can remember my Father telling me his stories of hunting Africa in the late 50's and 60's and Flying out of Idlewild (JFK). He would carry his gun in a soft case (he was a 375H&H one gun for everything) and giving it to the Pilots to keep in the cockpit for safe keeping....... | |||
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Kinda like the lady at the Zimbabwian embasy once told me. "Zimbabwe is like the USA--the problem area is in the Northeast, the south is fine". | |||
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I used to do that flying out of St. Louis in the mid 60's. Rich Elliott Rich Elliott Ethiopian Rift Valley Safaris | |||
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When I lived in Brooklyn, I hunted exclusively with handguns. When I moved out of NY, I could no longer do so in NY and even though I still own property in upstate NY I will not risk bringing a handgun of any type when camping or out in the woods. Here is the NRA website's compliation of some of the laws: Click Here for NRA law info And here is the section specifically addressing New York: NEW YORK—Caution: New York state`s general approach is to make the possession of handguns and so-called "assault weapons" and "large capacity ammunition feeding devices" illegal and then provide exceptions that the accused may raise as "affirmative defenses" to prosecution. The only exceptions to the "assault weapons" and "large capacity" magazine bans are provisions which allow possession of otherwise banned items manufactured on or before September 13, 1994, or ammunition feeding devices "capable of operating only with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition." The possession or transport of any other "assault weapon" or "high capacity" magazine is a felony. The prohibited ammunition feeding devices include not just magazines that have a capacity of more than 10 rounds but those "that can be readily restored or converted to accept more than 10 rounds. Possessing a loaded handgun outside one`s home or place of business without a license is a felony. This applies not only to those who possess loaded handguns, but also to anyone who merely possesses a handgun and "at the same time … a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm." Licenses to possess and carry handguns are not issued to out-of-state residents, unless they are principally employed or own a business in New York. A nonresident who "has in his possession a pistol license or firearms registration card issued in accordance with the laws of his place of residence" may transport a handgun to and from, and possess a handgun while attending, "an organized competitive pistol match or league competition" approved by or conducted under the auspices of the National Rifle Association or the International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association or at a "an organized convention or exhibition for the display of or education about firearms" approved by or conducted under the auspices of the NRA, so long as all of the following apply: (1) the person is a competitor in the match or a registered participant in the exhibition or display; (2) the possession occurs during or within 48 hours of the event; (3) the person has never been convicted of a felony or a crime that within New York would constitute a felony; and (4) the handgun is transported unloaded in an opaque container together with a copy of the match or exhibition program, schedule, or registration card. A person may also possess or transport a handgun if he or she is a member or coach of an accredited college or university target pistol team who is transporting the handgun into or through New York to participate in a collegiate, target, or Olympic pistol competition approved by or under the auspices of the National Rifle Association. During transport the handgun must be unloaded and in a locked carrying case, and any ammunition for the handgun must be locked in a separate container. A number of localities, including Albany, Buffalo, New York City, Rochester, Suffolk County, and Yonkers, impose their own requirements on the possession, registration, and transport of firearms. Possession of a handgun within New York City requires a New York City handgun license or a special permit from the city police commissioner validating a state license within the city. Even New York state licenses are generally not valid within New York City unless a specific exemption applies, such as when the New York City police commissioner has issued a special permit to the licensee or "the firearms covered by such license are being transported by the licensee in a locked container and the trip through the city of New York is continuous and uninterrupted." Possession of a shotgun or rifle within New York City requires a permit, which is available to non-residents, and a certificate of registration. No person may possess a loaded rifle or shotgun anywhere in public within New York City limits. A non-resident without a permit may possess an unregistered long gun for up to 24 hours in New York City if in transit to a destination outside the city, provided that the firearm is at all times unloaded and in a locked case or locked automobile trunk and the person is "lawfully in possession of said rifle or shotgun according to the laws of his or her place of residence." Based on this and some other info, I have no reservations about taking my doubles and bolt guns from NJ to JFK on route to Africa. I wouldn't take a chance with any handgun, though. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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I did the same as late as 1979. George | |||
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I am sad you guys think this guy is a moron. It seems he beleives in the second amendment and rulw of law, unlike the lawmakers in NY. The NY laws is clearly contravenes the U. S. Constitution making the state of NY the lawbreakers. We should be incensed and supportive of Mr. Meckler and encourage him to stand on principle for his(and our)right. Thank you, Tom ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Back in the 60s and 70s I not only carried my rifles in soft cases and put them in the cockpit, but built rifles in our machine shop at Amnerican Airline where I worked! As John Wayne was fond of saying,"Times change" but not always for the better! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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As was noted in CCMdoc's post, NYC has a 24 hr rule. I knew that when I went through 12 years ago and when I showed up at the terminal, five (yes FIVE), cops showed up in 3 minutes and the Sargent asked me, kind of off handed, "How long you been in NYC?". Knowing the law I said 16 hrs (as I had been there 16 hrs on the transfer from one flight to another). That stopped them cold but they did make me have the SAA ticket personell come over and carry the rifle 40 feet to the counter. I couldn't carry it myself. Since then I do not EVER go through NYC on my African hunts, PERIOD! | |||
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Think I'll just continue to fly direct out of Houston to somewhere oversesas where they have a more enlightened wiew, even if it necessitates Dutch firearms permits (which are idiotic). | |||
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