This is an interesting website and I am glad to have found it.

How close should one attempt to get to dangerous game and at what distance does it become simply shooting and not hunting? I am most interested in the hunting of buffalo and elephants. I await your inputs.

Question:
At what distance has the element of "danger" become compromised and it is no longer sporting to shoot?

Choices:
25 paces
50 paces
75 paces
100 paces

 

Here we go again.

Another pointless poll!

Who cares?

Shoot them a mile away if that turns you on.

Or try killing with your bare hands.

I guess you should try to hunt some DG,and once your ass gets pounded to a bloody mess trying to determine what is what and how close you need to be,please enlighten the rest of us
LOL

There are a plethora of articles, books and dvd/videos on hunting DG. Perhaps you should do some personal research rather than asking such an inane question, especially in the form of an idiotic poll, such as you propose.

I am honestly s-o-o-o tired of these simpleton questions posed by newbies or trolls. It's no wonder some experienced hands have disappeared from AR - likely due to shear boredom! And I always wonder why someone would choose NOT to post a location as a registered user.

Sorry for the rant, but I leave for another Ele hunt in 9 days and I check into AR for stimulating discussions about safari, not more crapola. I honestly do believe that most experienced african hands started by doing their own independent research; I know I did.

No game is dangerous until it can touch you. You need a zero yard option.

DD:

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How close should one attempt to get to dangerous game and at what distance does it become simply shooting and not hunting?

It would mainly depend on the size of your nuts and the elasticity of your sphincter muscle

I would bet most buffalo are shot at around 30 to 80 meters and with Elephant at around 10 to 50 meters.

18.89 yards, or was it 33.27 yards?

Buy books. There are tons of them.

Funny, thanks for the entertainment.

Welcome DD, you have now been introduced to the friendly confins of AR. If you ask what, to some seems like a stupid question you will be castagated and in simple terms ripped a new one!

DOJ,

Do not feel sorry for this clown. A couple of his more insulting posts have been removed. A couple of others should be. Not bad for less than ten posts.

AR's version of The Welcome Wagon!

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Originally posted by LionHunter:

I am honestly s-o-o-o tired of these simpleton questions posed by newbies or trolls. It's no wonder some experienced hands have disappeared from AR - likely due to shear boredom! And I always wonder why someone would choose NOT to post a location as a registered user.

Sorry for the rant, but I leave for another Ele hunt in 9 days and I check into AR for stimulating discussions about safari, not more crapola. I honestly do believe that most experienced african hands started by doing their own independent research; I know I did.

Lion, you do have a point, but to the newbie the answers to mundane questions are not silly or boreing! I think what the newbie is doing by asking these questions is doing his independent researchtill he learns enough to know how to do it better! Where better to ask a question that where experienced poeple gather? I do agree with you on the lack of location for even a new regestered user! That location helps in offering them where and how!

DeasertDweller, If you are still here and haven't been banned to the deasert without water for the rest of your life. You must understand that this is a time when most here are getting ready to leave on safari, and are easily bored with things they have answered a thousand times! No matter the reception you got here stick in, because there is no place on the WWW that can offer more good information on African hunting than ACCURATE RELOADING.

The simple answer to your question is; There is no difinative answer other than if he's close and you want him shoot him!

Buffalo and elephant are very different animals and to be fair to the animal, you should not take a shot unless you know you can place the shot in the vitals with the first shot! Once that shot is taken the general rule is keep shooting till he is down or out of sight or range, and always follow-up on what you started. The ranges are different for different people and animal, but are personal!

For someone like Saeed, who can take the hair off the left hind leg of a horsefly at 1000 yds with his eyes closed he can shoot cape buffalo at just about as far as he can see them, and I have no doubt he could brain an elephant at 200 yds every shot. Then we have most mortals who need to be a little more careful with the distance, like me, and most others here!

I'll answer your question with my personal opinion on this subject!

On Cape buffalo the is standing broad side and not aware, and I can't get closer I will take a heart/lung shot at 100 yds with an iron sighted double rifle, maybe 100-200 yds with a scoped bolt rifle. Now, I'm not an elephant hunter, but my personal opinion is a side brain shot at no more than 50 yds, a frontal brain shot at no more than 30 yds if standing, and if coming I'd shoot when it is evident he means business!

My answer to anyone who wants to hunt dangerous game is; Dangerous game is only dangerous when he is close, as he is simply not dangerous at 100 yds or more, so what is the point of shooting him at that distance unless he is an acceptional trophy, and the days are running short to collect? To me the trophy is not the size,as much as the danger he represents. My thing is, get close and shoot well!

DD don't get discouraged! Stick in here, and you will learn faster here than any other place on the web, but you need to grow a thick skin here!

Welcome aboard, and put a general location in your profile! It helps us help you!

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Since you have no "zero paces" option, I'll assume that you're not serious.

Mike, I don't feel sorry for him, just the experienced guys, with wise answers, who were novices at one time and forget their quest for knowledge which one should be happy to share. We all crawled before we could walk and then run. Now I will get off the box and shut up!

Close enough is when your sphincter muscle tightens up so much that you fart soprano...


Mad Dog

I guess my rule of thumb would be to get as close as circumstances permit and if it's still too far for you to be absolutely sure of placing your shot in a killing spot, pass it up.

I have never shot an elephant (of four) farther than 35 paces away, mostly closer. The longest shot was taken because (1) the elephant was alert to something going on, although we were downwind, and (2) he had a young, active askari bull with him who would have been a problem, had he caught sight of us.

With buffalo, I once shot a buffalo at about 100 yards, using my scoped .458 WM double rifle. He was standing by himself in the middle of an open field and there was no way of getting any closer. My other five buffalo were taken at much closer range, because circumstances permitted.

Don't hesitate to ask questions, but avoid surveys. They tend to incite the kind of response you experienced.

And welcome aboard.

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Originally posted by xausa:
I guess my rule of thumb would be to get as close as circumstances permit and if it's still too far for you to be absolutely sure of placing your shot in a killing spot, pass it up.

Well said.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
DD:

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How close should one attempt to get to dangerous game and at what distance does it become simply shooting and not hunting?

It would mainly depend on the size of your nuts and the elasticity of your sphincter muscle

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AMEN

All you guys who think you know it all,bin there done that kind of guys. Is it too hard to just give a straight answer? Take it easy on DD. It seems nobody is will to help anybody, just trying to show off and say, I have gotten this many lions,elephants, buffalo,leopards.

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Originally posted by white north:
All you guys who think you know it all,bin there done that kind of guys. Is it too hard to just give a straight answer? Take it easy on DD. It seems nobody is will to help anybody, just trying to show off and say, I have gotten this many lions,elephants, buffalo,leopards.

I have been in front of the computer too much the last couple of days waiting for TS Lee to pass.

Normally I would give a reasonable answer or no answer at all because this is the stuff I love. After my first trip I knew everything, after four it seems as though I know less. All have been DG trips. This is the reason I answered in the manner I did.

From Michael458 thread in the classifieds:

Nakihunter asking Michael458 about the ad

"BTW why do the stocks not have a cross bolt? Just curious .... I know nothing about big bores."

Which was a good question because it was a Lott in a AI stock which usses an aluminum chassis in lieu of crossbolts. Michael did answer the the question however our hero DesertDweller replied first:

"You're right, you know nothing about big bores. The crossbolts are to keep the stock from splitting."

There were a couple of post that were very insulting that were deleted. He is just receiving the same respect as he gives.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Shoot them a mile away if that turns you on.
Or try killing with your bare hands.

If you can get closer, get closer!

If you can get steadier, get steadier!

Best regards, D. Nelson

Look at me I'm Sandra Dee.

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Originally posted by DesertDweller:
This is an interesting website and I am glad to have found it.

It shouldn't have been too hard to find, you hadn't been banned that long.