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Originally posted by Saeed:
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He is right though.

It is YOUR government, allowing their corporations to manufacture cheap stuff in China, and sell it at home.

Western manufacturers, especially electronics are all made in bloody Chinkland!

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Originally posted by eagle27:
The USA like many countries imports goods including oil from many countries that it probably doesn't like but it also exports to those same countries, called World trade. Okay for you more well off guys, I imagine most posting on this forum, myself included, live a comfortable enough life and can afford to pay double for products if we choose to avoid the countries we do not like, but ask some of your less fortunate countryman if they can afford to do the same.
Need to avoid the moral high ground, or next time when on safari in Africa practice what you preach and pay all the black Africans in your camp the same wages they would earn in your own country or most western countries. Perhaps start in your own country and bring the standard of living closer to yours for the rest of the population then you can all afford caps made in the USA.

The reason why a huge amount of product is made in China is because the rich capitalist businessmen in your country have shifted production off shore to take advantage of cheap labour, minimal environmental laws, etc, etc, and of course most importantly make more money.
Not saying that is necessarily wrong, but jeez don't cry in your soup over a cap made in China when you and your country have created the situation you find yourselves in now, you are reaping what you have sown.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by eagle27:
The USA like many countries imports goods including oil from many countries that it probably doesn't like but it also exports to those same countries, called World trade. Okay for you more well off guys, I imagine most posting on this forum, myself included, live a comfortable enough life and can afford to pay double for products if we choose to avoid the countries we do not like, but ask some of your less fortunate countryman if they can afford to do the same.
Need to avoid the moral high ground, or next time when on safari in Africa practice what you preach and pay all the black Africans in your camp the same wages they would earn in your own country or most western countries. Perhaps start in your own country and bring the standard of living closer to yours for the rest of the population then you can all afford caps made in the USA.

The reason why a huge amount of product is made in China is because the rich capitalist businessmen in your country have shifted production off shore to take advantage of cheap labour, minimal environmental laws, etc, etc, and of course most importantly make more money.
Not saying that is necessarily wrong, but jeez don't cry in your soup over a cap made in China when you and your country have created the situation you find yourselves in now, you are reaping what you have sown.

You are correct. Well said.

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
Last week I had an argument With my woman...she wanted to buy a gas grill made in China. I refused
and we ended up buying a Weber twice the price..

Heck if I buy chinese after this if it can be avoided..

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:

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Originally posted by Pondoro:
Last week I had an argument With my woman...she wanted to buy a gas grill made in China. I refused
and we ended up buying a Weber twice the price..

Heck if I buy chinese after this if it can be avoided..

Good news is that Weber will last forever, the Chinese one 4 or 5 years. My Weber is 22 years old.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Think of how the world went forward since free trade came about.

If every country decides to protect its won, imagine what might happen.

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Originally posted by SFRanger7GP:
I recently retired from a position where I was responsible for several manufacturing centers in the US, Canada and Latin America. As a member of a global company, we had manufacturing centers all over the world,, especially in China. I have a lot of product and operational “apples to apples” view of products from Americas, Europe, India, and China.

It is much easier to say “Buy USA (or fill in your home country) than it is to execute. In the US, Goverment oraganizations and others (OSHA, EPA, State OSHA, Unions, Human Resources, State Labor Laws) and wack job liberal states have made it extremely difficult and expensive to the point that you are non competitive. If you have not personally experienced that frustration,, you have NO idea. It is not all about the “rich executives wanting to get richer”. Trust me, I have never met an executive in my old line of business that wanted to do business with China. Our Americas and Europe-Africa business units despised them. However, they are much better than dealing with OSHA, EPA, California, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Massachusets, NY, Washington, AFL-CIO, Labor Unions, a litigous society, European Labor Council etc.

Our Chinese product was MUCH cheaper than any of our similar Europe/Americas/India product. It was also shit products that their engineering never backed or supported. When I was the VP of Latin America Operations, the Regional President insisted on pushing the Chinese products because customers wanted the cheapest (like we all do) and it had the highest profit margin. In that market, it was difficult for the better (and safer) Americas and European products to compete. Thankfully, I eventually won the battle to only use Americas products in the Americas with a waiver being provided for European products.

This long rant is to support my thought that the US voter, worker and consumer must decide if they are ready to make the sacrifices necessary to cut our dependency on China. This isn’t all about the Evil US Capitalist Empire as some are eluding to. This is more about our spoiled, entitelists and welfare/litigous culture that needs to be weaned off the government teat and the liberal states, governement organizations and politicians that need them so they can remain in power.

The Americas is huge. We can put a lot of manufacturing centers here. This would help strengthen our borders and slow the illegal flow while cutting our dependency on China. But are we ready for a big change?

Stay safe.......LL

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Originally posted by eagle27:
Well put by someone who has been there done that. The USA has the ability but are you ready for the change. You can put manufacturing centers back into the USA but who will you export to if you stop imports to protect your own manufacturing. Russia, Middle East, Europe and of course Asia will just ramp up production to supply the rest of the world and the USA will sit isolated in your own bubble.

Interesting article in on our news yesterday on breaking away from trade with China, below just the headlines and a pertinent comment by a former Foreign Affairs official taken from the said news:

"With tensions between the US and China exacerbated by Covid-19, New Zealand’s decision to join an American-led alliance could raise eyebrows within Beijing
New Zealand has quietly taken up a place within a US-led alliance working on a joint response to the coronavirus pandemic, with some suggesting the country’s role within the coalition may attract the ire of China............................However, China would still need to remain one of New Zealand’s major trading partners in the years ahead, he said."

Problem is with Britian's Brexit and Trump going buy American and introducing import restrictions and levies, and farming subsidies for your farmers he also cuts out or severely effects our trade with the USA so we have to go elsewhere. China has an insatiable appetite for our agriculture products. Trump will cut off his nose to spite his face.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
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While I agree with much of what you say...I just disagree on this one point. The USA is the richest largest market in the world—nobody is going to abandon that.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
No one that I know of hunts with a Chinese rifle.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
https://www.newsweek.com/ive-c...WGGEOhGQsJgmvRS87wZo