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I would say that is an exit hole. But you missed the brain or he would have been DRT! However, that does show some incredible toughness. | |||
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Many years ago in Zimbabwe, we found a buffalo that was wounded by a lion. And as we were looking for lion bait, we decided to shoot it. Trouble was it lying in a very awkward place to get a shot at. As we were trying to find a position where we could see enough to shoot, it got up and was about to run off. We were very close. I put a bullet from a 416 Weatherby into the back of the head, and down it went. The exit hole was almost in the center of the forehead, which made it look like it was shot from the front. | |||
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No sir, its most definitely the entrance hole! | |||
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That entry point suggests the bullet may have mushroomed when it impacted the horn creating a gash rather than a cleanly drilled hole and possibly never made it to the brain. Woodleigh softs maybe? The .577 is certainly a poor contestant when it comes to keyhole surgery.  | |||
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Here we go again. Saeed's jihadist hypocrisy. I've lost count of his anti MS posts after 300+. However, I'd like to point out that on April 16 of this year Saeed wrote: "Actually, it really makes no difference what the client condition is. It is his hunt, and he and his professional hunter can decide how to hunt. It is no business of anyone sitting thousands of miles away and criticizing!" Saeed, while I agree with your SCI views and much of what you write (except your anti USA posts in the political forums) you really need to put the Napoleonic complex to rest and let Mark do what he wants to do. He has done much to bring Arica hunting to US hunters perhaps more than any other modern hunter except Capstick. You seem to hate what he does as shown in his videos but he sells thousands. Hint: try to sell your videos for 50$ and see how many sell. Mark's are exciting and yours are, well, after hours of grass, trees, and the ass of whom ever the cameraman is following, they are a bit slow. However, they do have a place. If one has insomnia your videos don't need a 'script to put one to sleep as does Ambien. Give MS a rest and focus your efforts toward the anti hunters who write disgusting comments of PHs that are killed or poachers who poison dozens of elephants. Those folks get a pass while you post hundreds of anti MS posts. I notice Mark does not come on here and attack you. Such is the man's character. Cheers, mate. Cal PS. How about those videos of high fenced hunts, waiting in tree stands for deer to walk by, shooting countless plains game at a water hole in SA, pre measured animals for the SCI book, shooting from vehicles, etc. Mark does none of these on his videos and they get a pass from you. _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Will someone please teach Aaron how to use Youtube or Vimeo? Photobucket's resolution, and lack of audio makes it quite a crappy video medium. | |||
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Cal I think much of what you say is true, but many, myself included think MS’s antics give the anti hunting community ammo to through at hunting as well! I’ve been trying to stay away from anything to do with Mark Sullivan , simply because if anyone finds fault with any thing he does he/she becomes an instant pariah on AR. I’ve seen all his films, and if memory serves, in all those films the only segment where MS never fired his rifle was the segment where Allen Day was the client and that was only because Allen made every shot count and beat him to it leaving no opening for MS to shoot the animals. Most PHs never fire their rifles more than two or three times a season, and then when absolutely necessary to avoid someone getting hurt of the animal escaping. Without opposing views no forum can be formed or anything solved. It is evident that there are two very different sides to this exact subject and like politics, and religion neither side will yield. So the discussion solves nothing, and only tends to make enemies out of people who should be fast friends with a common cause! In any event, my post here and yours above will solve nothing I fear!, other than cause a rash of name calling and beating a dead horse. ..............................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I'm guessing that is either Aaron's second high shoulder shot that exited the body and then entered the head. Or it was the other PH's second shot that traveled through some neck meat and mushroomed before entering the back of the skull. Maybe Aaron can enlighten us though as I wasn't there, only my attempt at a SWAG. | |||
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Mac: I respect you and anyone who has a disagreement with what MS does. No worries on my part. My issue arises with Saeed and the seemingly endless posts he makes to a man he has never met. And then to post that an agreement between a PH and client is no one's business to criticize. I have no problem with your views. But Saeed has a Napoleonic complex he needs to seek therapy for. I base that on his posts of which I stopped cataloging them after over 300. Cheers mate, and our next shoot is July 18. Of course, you're welcome. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Trying to compare a proper buffalo charge, that was totally unexpected, to the silly antic of Mark Sullivan, where everything is setup to show how great a hunter he is, with all camera angles covered, and him standing there mouthing "I let the buffalo decide how to die" With a 600 NE in his hands, again, saying "I use a 600 Nitro Express because they don't make any bigger" Cal, believe what you believe. I certainly do not fall for all his stupid actions, which are all directed at expanding his own ego. It has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. This charge, though, shows you what a REAL buffalo charge is. I understand Mark Sullivan rides in the back of a truck when he follows a wounded buffalo in thick bush! Aaron and his group did not! | |||
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Fujo - I was using the CEB Non-Con in my right barrel (first shot) and the CEB solid in my left barrel (second shot). The pedals are designed to sheer off, thus I think one/two of the pedals actually broke through the top of the skull, into the brain cavity. Regardless, they still knocked a hole into the brain cavity, so I was at least surprised the initial shot didn't at least knock him down!?!?! | |||
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Listen here bro!!!! We have both a Youtube channel and a Vimeo channel you computer illiterate buffoon!!  Unfortunately unless one of my producers at Vision Quest or World of Sports Afield does this crap, I am limited to an I-Phone video of the tv screen, cause that's all this computer illiterate hunter can come up with!!! So deal with it already!!  | |||
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Nope, as I have responded to a couple of times SS - it was in fact my initial shot for sure. Trust me, we checked! | |||
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Cal, you just gotta let it go man! Mark doesn't care a single bit what others think of him - trust me, we've talked about it several times. Saeed is a good dude, who simply has a difference of opinion when it comes to MS. He's never gonna change his mind, its what he believes - so be it. Regardless, we are all in this hunting boat together - we need to learn stick together as much as we can. Mac - With all due respect, who gives a rat's fat a$$ what the antis think??? You really think they differentiate between MS's approach, and the rest of us?? Not in the least, and to believe so is simply to have never had any exposure to their BS!!! My friend if you really believe that, maybe sometime you should take a look at my emails, FB messages, etc. I literally receive dozens of hate messages, emails and even phone calls per week. All of which I receive simply because I hunt/kill animals, it has nothing to do with the way in which I do it. Just google sometime the petitions to stop me from hunting, entering TZ, and to shut down my FB page (which has roughly 140,000 signatures) all because I hunt (lions mainly) but the hate against me has nothing to do with how I do it, just that I do it, period! They hate anyone who hunts/shoots even a squirrel, and frankly I am DONE with even the consideration of pandering to their feeling/demands. If you want to take their "feelings" into consideration, carry on - but I for one say this  | |||
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Aaron, I fully understand your take on my opinions here on MS. It is evident that you are unaware of the fact that I have had my share serious confrontations with the antis as well, over the last 40 or so years of hunting all over the world. I find the antis are no different than we are in their refusal to see reality of the fact that both sides will be there for the long haul, and nothing will change that fact. Where MS's antics do the most damage is the fact that he is training our young hunters to not only disrespect the animals we hunt, by talking incessantly to the camera while an animal suffers and struggles in the background when a finishing shot (by the client)would put the poor bastard out of it's pain. That and his selfish attitude of the "ME AND SCREW YOU" attitude with his shooting of all his clients animals when it is not called for. I will say he has the best job in the world having someone to pay him to hunt so he can shoot every animal that he has booked the client for. I have no problem with a PH backing me with a second shot, or even several shots, on an animal that is about to escape because I failed to make my shots count, or with prior discussion to automatically back my shots when an animal is very close to boundaries where we are not allowed to follow if the animal gets into another concession or park. In that regard over the years I have never had a guide or PH fire his rifle when it was not called for. In your case I'm sure you get 100 times as many hate mails as I used to, but you are not by yourself none the less in that regard. My old screen name "DUGABOY1" was known to every anti website on the internet and they were not shy about hate mail to me. ............................................................................Over and out!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Mac - Fair enough, although I disagree with you. Anyone who hunts with MS ought to by now be fully aware of what they are getting into. If not, you have your head in the sand. He's not training anyone to do anything, that's just silly!! He's simply providing a product for entertainment - anyone who sees it for more than that is putting way too much stock into it, and giving MS way too much credit when it comes to influencing how others choose to hunt. If its not your form of entertainment, that's fair enough too. But your point here is totally different than what you said earlier regarding ammo for the anti-hunting community, etc. They hate all hunting, and all hunters, no matter how we do it, or who we are. We should all completely stop giving them one ounce of concern regarding how we do it, or what we do as hunters. | |||
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I think you are absolutely correct of course! Now lets go hunting and leave this in the THINGS TO NOT DISCUS because it solves nothing drawer in the file cabinet! ..................................................................BYE  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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BINGO! Absolutely right, but has absolutely nothing to do with hunting! Just like when one sees a trailer from Hollywood saying BASED ON FACT! The only facts is his shows are done in Africa! Nothing else  | |||
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interesting..... Subscribe to our Newsletter and follow us hunt to hunt - http://mailchi.mp/eccf60046a6c/welcome-to-2018 Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pages...aris/286258951422383 PHOTO BLOG - https://instagram.com/ivorytrailsafaris/ Phillip Smythe www.ivorytrailsafaris.com 16 Pendennis Rd, Mount Pleasant Harare Zimbabwe Cell - +263 772 413 618 email - phillip@ivorytrailsafaris.com | |||
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Interesting and with all due respect also inaccurate...as those who comment have never hunted with Mark. Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Shawn - Phillip is referring to the video my friend! He's the PH with me on this hunt!!! | |||
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Aaron, You have to make allowance for the MS hero worshippers  Remember, Cal once said non of us normal hunters are capable of walking in Mark Sullivan's shoes! In my case, he is absolutely right - I will never lower myself to such level | |||
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Thanks Aaron! Sorry to be confusing. :0) I was referring to the generalized comment that was made regarding Mark shooting all of his clients’ animals and that Mark does not train anyone to do anything. Both incorrect in my experience hunting with Mark and also in my experiences with Mark in the field hunting other clients in my presence. I realize that for many it is safe to say that nothing is going to get solved, no one is going to be persuaded, and no one is going to change their mind by my stating my personal experiences. I have not kept it a secret that Mark and I are personal friends, we also enjoy hunting together, have a passion for video production, and we also have a business relationship. I do not hero worship at the altar of a MS shrine however as Saeed would like to opine. We all see different things in video excerpts. For example in your clip, (thanks for sharing it by the way!) I am confident that you and Phillip fully understand what a buffalo charge is and isn’t. I accept your interpretation of what occurred that day as a charge, although I do not see a buffalo charge in the excerpt. I concluded that the charge most likely had occurred before the camera was up and running and was therefore something that the cameraman could not fully capture. I still enjoyed the aftermath of the event you shared and always like hunting action captured on tape! For me there are certain elements that help to identify a charge captured on tape. Some must be present while others not always. A grunt or snort for example does not always occur. What must be present for me is a close proximity to the animal, eye contact between the animal with the hunter, a commitment of a charge by the animal coupled with up close follow-through. These are elements that I look for to identify a charge on tape. An animal looking to simply get out of Dodge in close proximity for example is not a charge in my book. Everyone has a certain threshold and while a close encounter can be exciting it does not by default constitute a charge for me. It should not be a surprise to anyone that Mark’s charges captured on film are a direct result of pressing animals immediately for a fight and intentionally getting in their grill. Even so very few encounters result in an actual charge as I defined it above. Mark’s videos, as Aaron noted, are entertaining and many around the world enjoy them. I do remember an interesting conversation in the past with Mark about buffalo and hippo charges. As I recall, in his numerous charge encounters with buffalo, he has only been charged twice unexpectedly and without any action on his part. Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Sorry for the long winded reply previously. Reading it after posting, it may have had a feeling of being personal. That was not my intention. With you it is never personal Aaron.  Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Despite such truth , the ignorant will not relent on MS.... They see him as the 'ogre PH' who is bringing hunting down, yet also like to see themselves as setting the... 'moral example of hunting' to those who actually oppose ALL hunting/killing/culling....regardless! I asked SAEED to have a stab at which PH he thinks said the following..... "It is my duty and responsibility to treat each client as though he were a gentleman, no matter what sort of spectacle he may make of himself. ...My job is to protect the amateurs and secure trophies, to see that the clients are happy." knowing which PH said the above will blow away the pile of criticism regularly leveled at MS by SAEED. | |||
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Q./ is such hunting environment based entertainment product LEGAL or ILLEGAL? or are you going to contradict yourself yet again? Bear Grylls makes his survival shows for 'entertainment', he does not at all suggest you watch them as a prerequisit for joining the British SAS. Likwise, MS is not selling people an instructional video on hunting. I will watch video of people taking 800yd elk or 1000yd moose, but I would not attempt that myself, nor do i interpret it as anyone suggesting i do like they do, ...nor do they 'instruct' the viewer. | |||
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I do not know Mark Sullivan nor have I hunted with him, but having watched a couple of his videos imo to exceed his level of flamboyance you'd have to lop off the head and spike it while doing an end zone victory dance. Not the kind of entertainment that entices me. | |||
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Crapstick,Hemingway and Ruark wrote entertaining books , MS instead chooses videos to deliver....whats the big deal? All the above people have purposely produced hype and exaggeration for entertainment purposes. Osa Johnson known as "the heroine of 1000 thrills"...also purposely staged sensationalising & exaggerated stunts, for their wilderness adventure films... they also hired skilled professionals behind the scenes to make Osa and her husband look better than they really were at things. | |||
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How do you draw a parallel between Percival and the antics of Sullivan? | |||
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You have to give Trax some leeway. His knowledge of hunting dangerous game has never been equaled. By Percival or anyone else | |||
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Funny you should mention Percival, since he was one of numerous hired pros from different fields that helped Osa Johnson & crew create their STAGED, HYPED & EXAGGERATED African adventure films. The respected Percival as we know, is also the one who mentored the respected Harry Selby; Harry Selby is on record for being honest and saying.... "It is my duty and responsibility to treat each client as though he were a gentleman, no matter what sort of spectacle he may make of himself. ...My job is to protect the amateurs and secure trophies, to see that the clients are happy." - Harry Selby Harry, like MS, had no problem taking money from his hopeless shot clients and cleaning up any likely mess they created. IN effect, SAEED is ridiculing MS for things that a Percival student- Harry Selby, also did in his PH career. Percival himself assisted Osa create her false drama spectacle films , Selby watched his own clients create their own hopeless hunter skill spectacles, But they get a free pass (vs) MS. But we should all give Saeed some 'leeway' for being so blatantly ignorant, his tunnel vision obsession with MS too often clouds his better judgement. There are broadly accepted brands of hype and exaggeration from Hemingway,Osa Johnson,Ruark,CRaptick,--- but for some reason MS is the bad guy for having his own form of entertainment on offer...........what gives?
MS didn't earn his PH license by submitting his entertainment production videos, but you as a recreational hunter have decided his PH DG skill levels are insufficient, based on those entertainment videos. Thats rather foolish and dumb. | |||
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Gotcha.. Sorry I forgot that he was hit earlier before the charge video. Still bloody amazing that he was even alive much more so functional and fight capable. That is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I absolutely would not have believed it if you hadn't shown it here. | |||
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trax please do not speculate as you seem quite imaginative, but could you reference one account of either Percival or Selby where their conduct is likened to that of MS in his video(s)? I think you make my point that you see movie makers more akin to MS than MS to Professional Hunters; you got that part right. The difference there is they were a one off to present Africa to the world, whereas MS is in volumes to promote MS. | |||
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We all know the truth will come out one of day Talk about someone putting his foot in his mouth! Now, can you start by telling us what action he does take part in to get all those charges?? | |||
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I am not in either camp.. but IMO Mark is a PH marketing his services, just like scores of others on this forum, except he doesnt try to advertise here There is no doubt that Mark courts charges as a result of his hunting style There is no doubt that these charges are "expected" I have little doubt that Mark is an exceptionally fine shot and an incredibly cool and collected hunter. He repeatedly puts his life on the line with his charge videos. This is showmanship, IMO But that doesnt take away from his courage and his skill Just IMO Have never hunted with mark, or Saeed, never expect to either. | |||
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Saeed, I think that should be pretty well known by most everyone anywhere in the world interested in hunting Tanzania. But just in case, here is the paragraph above the one that you grabbed. I think it sums-up your question: “It should not be a surprise to anyone that Mark’s charges captured on film are a direct result of pressing animals immediately for a fight and intentionally getting in their grill. Even so very few encounters result in an actual charge as I defined it above. Mark’s videos, as Aaron noted, are entertaining and many around the world enjoy them.” Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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....and there in lies the whole problem most find with Mark Sullivan! The problem is the downed animal is not the property of MS but belongs to the client! If the client wants to press a charge to be stopped by himself, that is one thing, if not the client should be instructed where to place the finishing shot. Some may find this entertaining, but are disregarding who actually owns the buffalo and the coup de grace! (Blow of mercy) The final killing of the animal by Mark is a very selfish act to say the least, IMO! I can assure you he would not pull that stunt on me! ...................................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Mac, May I remind you that those who do "hunt" with Mark Sullivan are terrible shots - his own words - and really have no business facing a charge by a wounded buffalo Hence him taking charge, after all the cameras are set up properly, to give the buffalo the choice of how to die! Also forgetting that the poor buffalo had no intention of dying in the first place | |||
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