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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
I would say that is an exit hole. But you missed the brain or he would have been DRT! However, that does show some incredible toughness.

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No sir, its most definitely the entrance hole!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Trax:
Saeed, One can personally like MS or not for what ever reason,
but I haven't seen anything to date, that suggests Sullivan hasn't got what it takes
to deal with fast happening high pressure situations on DG.
MS may not appeal to some hunters, but that no reason to unwarrantedly
try and belittle him regards his nerve & rifle skills.

I am not sure that Mark Sullivan has ever had an honest to goodness buffalo charge in thick bush.

Never seen one in his silly videos.

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Give MS a rest and focus your efforts toward the anti hunters who write disgusting comments of PHs that are killed or poachers who poison dozens of elephants.

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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No sir, its most definitely the entrance hole!

That entry point suggests the bullet may have mushroomed when it impacted the horn creating a gash rather than a cleanly drilled hole and possibly never made it to the brain. Woodleigh softs maybe?

The .577 is certainly a poor contestant when it comes to keyhole surgery.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Give MS a rest and focus your efforts toward the anti hunters who write disgusting comments of PHs that are killed or poachers who poison dozens of elephants.

Cal I think much of what you say is true, but many, myself included think MS’s antics give the anti hunting community ammo to through at hunting as well!

I’ve been trying to stay away from anything to do with Mark Sullivan , simply because if anyone finds fault with any thing he does he/she becomes an instant pariah on AR.

I’ve seen all his films, and if memory serves, in all those films the only segment where MS never fired his rifle was the segment where Allen Day was the client and that was only because Allen made every shot count and beat him to it leaving no opening for MS to shoot the animals.

Most PHs never fire their rifles more than two or three times a season, and then when absolutely necessary to avoid someone getting hurt of the animal escaping.

Without opposing views no forum can be formed or anything solved. It is evident that there are two very different sides to this exact subject and like politics, and religion neither side will yield. So the discussion solves nothing, and only tends to make enemies out of people who should be fast friends with a common cause!

In any event, my post here and yours above will solve nothing I fear!, other than cause a rash of name calling and beating a dead horse.
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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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No sir, its most definitely the entrance hole!

That entry point suggests the bullet may have mushroomed when it impacted the horn creating a gash rather than a cleanly drilled hole and possibly never made it to the brain. Woodleigh softs maybe?

The .577 is certainly a poor contestant when it comes to keyhole surgery.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Will someone please teach Aaron how to use Youtube or Vimeo? Photobucket's resolution, and lack of audio makes it quite a crappy video medium.

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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No sir, its most definitely the entrance hole!

That entry point suggests the bullet may have mushroomed when it impacted the horn creating a gash rather than a cleanly drilled hole and possibly never made it to the brain. Woodleigh softs maybe?

The .577 is certainly a poor contestant when it comes to keyhole surgery.

I'm guessing that is either Aaron's second high shoulder shot that exited the body and then entered the head. Or it was the other PH's second shot that traveled through some neck meat and mushroomed before entering the back of the skull.

Maybe Aaron can enlighten us though as I wasn't there, only my attempt at a SWAG.

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Originally posted by cal pappas:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Give MS a rest and focus your efforts toward the anti hunters who write disgusting comments of PHs that are killed or poachers who poison dozens of elephants.

Cal I think much of what you say is true, but many, myself included think MS’s antics give the anti hunting community ammo to through at hunting as well!

I’ve been trying to stay away from anything to do with Mark Sullivan , simply because if anyone finds fault with any thing he does he/she becomes an instant pariah on AR.

I’ve seen all his films, and if memory serves, in all those films the only segment where MS never fired his rifle was the segment where Allen Day was the client and that was only because Allen made every shot count and beat him to it leaving no opening for MS to shoot the animals.

Most PHs never fire their rifles more than two or three times a season, and then when absolutely necessary to avoid someone getting hurt of the animal escaping.

Without opposing views no forum can be formed or anything solved. It is evident that there are two very different sides to this exact subject and like politics, and religion neither side will yield. So the discussion solves nothing, and only tends to make enemies out of people who should be fast friends with a common cause!

In any event, my post here and yours above will solve nothing I fear!, other than cause a rash of name calling and beating a dead horse.
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Mac:
I respect you and anyone who has a disagreement with what MS does. No worries on my part. My issue arises with Saeed and the seemingly endless posts he makes to a man he has never met. And then to post that an agreement between a PH and client is no one's business to criticize.
I have no problem with your views. But Saeed has a Napoleonic complex he needs to seek therapy for. I base that on his posts of which I stopped cataloging them after over 300.
Cheers mate, and our next shoot is July 18. Of course, you're welcome.
Cal

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:


Mac - With all due respect, who gives a rat's fat a$$ what the antis think??? You really think they differentiate between MS's approach, and the rest of us?? Not in the least, and to believe so is simply to have never had any exposure to their BS!!! My friend if you really believe that, maybe sometime you should take a look at my emails, FB messages, etc. I literally receive dozens of hate messages, emails and even phone calls per week. All of which I receive simply because I hunt/kill animals, it has nothing to do with the way in which I do it. Just google sometime the petitions to stop me from hunting, entering TZ, and to shut down my FB page (which has roughly 140,000 signatures) all because I hunt (lions mainly) but the hate against me has nothing to do with how I do it, just that I do it, period! They hate anyone who hunts/shoots even a squirrel, and frankly I am DONE with even the consideration of pandering to their feeling/demands. If you want to take their "feelings" into consideration, carry on - but I for one say this

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:


Mac - With all due respect, who gives a rat's fat a$$ what the antis think??? You really think they differentiate between MS's approach, and the rest of us?? Not in the least, and to believe so is simply to have never had any exposure to their BS!!! My friend if you really believe that, maybe sometime you should take a look at my emails, FB messages, etc. I literally receive dozens of hate messages, emails and even phone calls per week. All of which I receive simply because I hunt/kill animals, it has nothing to do with the way in which I do it. Just google sometime the petitions to stop me from hunting, entering TZ, and to shut down my FB page (which has roughly 140,000 signatures) all because I hunt (lions mainly) but the hate against me has nothing to do with how I do it, just that I do it, period! They hate anyone who hunts/shoots even a squirrel, and frankly I am DONE with even the consideration of pandering to their feeling/demands. If you want to take their "feelings" into consideration, carry on - but I for one say this

Where MS's antics do the most damage is the fact that he is training our young hunters to not only disrespect the animals we hunt, by talking incessantly to the camera while an animal suffers and struggles in the background when a finishing shot (by the client)would put the poor bastard out of it's pain. That and his selfish attitude of the "ME AND SCREW YOU" attitude with his shooting of all his clients animals when it is not called for. I will say he has the best job in the world having someone to pay him to hunt so he can shoot every animal that he has booked the client for.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
I think you are absolutely correct of course!

Now lets go hunting and leave this in the THINGS TO NOT DISCUS because it solves nothing drawer in the file cabinet!

..................................................................BYE

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He's simply providing a product for entertainment

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Originally posted by Phillip Smythe:
interesting.....

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

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Originally posted by Phillip Smythe:
interesting.....

Interesting and with all due respect also inaccurate...as those who comment have never hunted with Mark.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

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Originally posted by Phillip Smythe:
interesting.....

Interesting and with all due respect also inaccurate...as those who comment have never hunted with Mark.

Shawn - Phillip is referring to the video my friend! He's the PH with me on this hunt!!!

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

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Originally posted by Phillip Smythe:
interesting.....

Interesting and with all due respect also inaccurate...as those who comment have never hunted with Mark.

Shawn - Phillip is referring to the video my friend! He's the PH with me on this hunt!!!

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

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Originally posted by Phillip Smythe:
interesting.....

Interesting and with all due respect also inaccurate...as those who comment have never hunted with Mark.

Shawn - Phillip is referring to the video my friend! He's the PH with me on this hunt!!!

Thanks Aaron! Sorry to be confusing. :0)

I was referring to the generalized comment that was made regarding Mark shooting all of his clients’ animals and that Mark does not train anyone to do anything. Both incorrect in my experience hunting with Mark and also in my experiences with Mark in the field hunting other clients in my presence.

I realize that for many it is safe to say that nothing is going to get solved, no one is going to be persuaded, and no one is going to change their mind by my stating my personal experiences. I have not kept it a secret that Mark and I are personal friends, we also enjoy hunting together, have a passion for video production, and we also have a business relationship. I do not hero worship at the altar of a MS shrine however as Saeed would like to opine.

We all see different things in video excerpts. For example in your clip, (thanks for sharing it by the way!) I am confident that you and Phillip fully understand what a buffalo charge is and isn’t. I accept your interpretation of what occurred that day as a charge, although I do not see a buffalo charge in the excerpt.

I concluded that the charge most likely had occurred before the camera was up and running and was therefore something that the cameraman could not fully capture. I still enjoyed the aftermath of the event you shared and always like hunting action captured on tape!

For me there are certain elements that help to identify a charge captured on tape. Some must be present while others not always. A grunt or snort for example does not always occur. What must be present for me is a close proximity to the animal, eye contact between the animal with the hunter, a commitment of a charge by the animal coupled with up close follow-through. These are elements that I look for to identify a charge on tape.

An animal looking to simply get out of Dodge in close proximity for example is not a charge in my book. Everyone has a certain threshold and while a close encounter can be exciting it does not by default constitute a charge for me.

It should not be a surprise to anyone that Mark’s charges captured on film are a direct result of pressing animals immediately for a fight and intentionally getting in their grill. Even so very few encounters result in an actual charge as I defined it above. Mark’s videos, as Aaron noted, are entertaining and many around the world enjoy them.

I do remember an interesting conversation in the past with Mark about buffalo and hippo charges. As I recall, in his numerous charge encounters with buffalo, he has only been charged twice unexpectedly and without any action on his part.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

... who gives a rat's fat a$$ what the antis think??? You really think they differentiate between MS's approach, and the rest of us??
Not in the least,

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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He's simply providing a product for entertainment

BINGO!
Absolutely right, but has absolutely nothing to do with hunting!

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
How do you draw a parallel between Percival and the antics of Sullivan?

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Originally posted by RichardAustin:
How do you draw a parallel between Percival and the antics of Sullivan?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

I am not sure that Mark Sullivan has ever had an honest to goodness buffalo charge in thick bush.

Never seen one in his silly videos.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by surestrike:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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No sir, its most definitely the entrance hole!

That entry point suggests the bullet may have mushroomed when it impacted the horn creating a gash rather than a cleanly drilled hole and possibly never made it to the brain. Woodleigh softs maybe?

The .577 is certainly a poor contestant when it comes to keyhole surgery.

I'm guessing that is either Aaron's second high shoulder shot that exited the body and then entered the head. Or it was the other PH's second shot that traveled through some neck meat and mushroomed before entering the back of the skull.

Maybe Aaron can enlighten us though as I wasn't there, only my attempt at a SWAG.

Nope, as I have responded to a couple of times SS - it was in fact my initial shot for sure. Trust me, we checked!

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I do remember an interesting conversation in the past with Mark about buffalo and hippo charges. As I recall, in his numerous charge encounters with buffalo, he has only been charged twice unexpectedly and without any action on his part.

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:

“It should not be a surprise to anyone that Mark’s charges captured on film are a direct result of pressing animals immediately for a fight and intentionally getting in their grill.

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

Hands of Old Elmer Keith