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Good day forum members, I was born and raised in Uganda and my father was a Colonial policeman. At one time he was in charge of Karamoja and I used to safari with him. while he was doing his business at police stations I used to hunt. I have hunted and camped at Greek River and I have hunted in what is now the Kidepo. I have many happy memories of this my favorite area in Africa. I now want to go back and walk the places I hunted as a teen and I need to know who can arrange this for me. I would attach a picture of a magnificent old warrior but I don't know how. Any help would be appreciated. Norm. | ||
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Karamojaman. You need to talk to Steve Robinson aka Shakari who is on this forum and post in this thread. A couple of years ago he went into the very area of which you speak on exploratory hunt with ddrhook in tow. There he camped and has pictures of the Greek River confluence and what is thought to be the camp of Bell etc. In that area they met ledvm who also posts on this thread. Elton Rambin Mail/Ship: 1802 Horse Hollow Rd. Barksdale, Texas 78828 Phone: 479 461 3656 Ranch: 830-234-4366 Check our Hunt & Class Schedule at www.ftwoutfitters.com 4 Rules of Gun Safety 1/ Treat all guns as though they are loaded. 2/ Never point the muzzle at anything you do not want to shoot. 3/ Do not put your finger on trigger until your sights are on target and you are ready to shoot. 4/ Be sure of your target and safe background. | |||
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Thanks Baxter. The first picture is an old warrior and in the background you can vaguely see a section of the Karamoja Special Force drilling. The KSF was formed to stop cattle theft. The second pic is of a young warrior who had been on a cattle raid. He only had one spear, as per regulations, two spears would have meant he was in a war party. This was Karamoja in 1958. | |||
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Thanks for that Elton. | |||
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Hi there, Did you ever go into the country right at the corner between Kidapo, Sudan and Kenya. Would love to do a foot safari for Buffalo there some day. | |||
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Well... As it happens, I'm right now hunting in the Kidepo area, typing on a brand new iPad (gadgets do change things around here!). Since my company has the management contract for wildlife reserves and community wildlife areas between Moroto and the Kidepo National Park, we do organize both hunting and photographic safaris in Karamoja. After more than 20 years in Africa, Karamoja still strikes me as one of the most beautiful regions I have seen, well worth the visit! Philip | |||
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Ozhunter, The Sudanese military had shot two of my father's constables on the border with Sudan, the Kidepo river. He had to go and deal with it. He stood in the river talking with the Sudanese officer while in the sights of the Sudanese. No radio, no ipod and he had to decide who was right. He gave the benefit of the doubt to the Sudanes. I also have a picture of him when he was seconded to KAR at the beginning of the second world war and he was sent up to the border with Ethiopia in the Ilemba triangle. His troop were tribesmen with metal mouthpieces hanging from their lips, their uniforms were a simple shuka and standing smartly to attention with their rifles shouldered. Philip, I look forward to talking more. Cheers, Norman. | |||
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As for the success of the KSF... Cattle theft is the primary cause of poverty in Karamoja, still. Because of their incessant raiding, no clan can have cattle in any economically significant numbers. The main difference is that now they go on raiding parties with AKs, not spears. This considerably increases the lethality of such raids. Also, as a corollary, the AKs have been a death sentence for most of Karamoja's wildlife. For thirty years everyone was going around armed, and they pretty much exterminated everything on four legs. The Ugandan Government addressed the situation in the past 6-7 years, sending the army to disarm the warriors. Now you can move freely in Karamoja, and animals are coming back. There is now a very noticeable increase in numbers and species of wild animals, and herds have a high number of calves and juveniles - very good sign! Philip | |||
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My thanks to Elton for the kind recommendation. Except for my last few hunts with old & good friends (who started as clients), I'm retired from the field now and although I can help with independent advice, I can't help with selling you a safari and Philip who posted above is the man to talk to. He knows that area like no-one else does and I completely agree with his comment that the area is incredibly beautiful. I've seen a fair bit of the dark continent but Karamoja wins hands down in the beauty dept. I guess Karamojaman must have been kicking around that area about the time Ken Stewart was and if he remembers where Ken camped beside the Greek River crossing then that's the same campsite that Bell used years bofore. - Hook, Philip & I walked the area whilst I was talking to Ken on the phone and we located the exact spot which was really great for all of us. | |||
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Thank you for the update on this unique region. Would you consider the area to have good huntable numbers of game now or are we still some years away? Mainly talking about the major species like buffalo & major plains game species. | |||
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Safari2, The buffalo population is in very good shape in the North of Karamoja, elephants are doing well too. Hartebeest numbers are good, reedbuck and oribi are aplenty. Good populations of klipspringer and mountain reedbuck and very high numbers of Guenther's dikdik in their particular habitat. Bushpigs are vermin, warthogs do well. Present in small numbers and/or in pockets: eland, Bright's gazelles, giraffe, bushbuck, greater kudu, lesser kudu, ostrich. Reported seen, Beisa oryx, Uganda kob, impala. I have seen female white-eared kob in two occasions. Good lion population in Kidepo National Park, leopards everywhere you care to look for tracks, a few cheetah, numerous caracals. Have seen serval too. Hyena mainly in the Park. Hunting is mainly buffalo, with some plains game to accompany. Quotas are not sufficient to do real plains game safaris, if not for buff it's more like short collector's species hunts (hartebeest, dikdik, maybe reedbuck). Philip | |||
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If anyone wants a top ten or even world record Guenther'd dik dik, I reckon that's the place to go. They're mucking fonsters! | |||
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Thanks Philip...sounds like things are coming along...give it 5 more years and I'll bet half of those species that are now low#'s will be huntable. | |||
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We need more of those vintage photos. SCI Life Member DRSS "In those savage countries success frequently depends upon one particular moment; you may lose or win according to your action at that critical instant." Sir Samuel Baker | |||
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Thanks for sharing those photo's and the stories. Please feel free to post more photo's and I for one would love to hear of those growing up yrs. Fascinating to say the least | |||
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I agree with the above posts, Karamojaman, would love to hear some more of your adventures growing up and see more of your treasure trove of old photos! Yours is a background and history we rarely see here... On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Thanks for the interest and comments. Unfortunately my father has gone to the great hunting ground in the sky without telling me his story when he knew some of those old hunters. I am going through my pics and when I find ones of interest I will post them. There is a thread on scary moments. When my father was OC Fort Portal his area included the QE Park. One evening a couple was rattling along the main road in a little sit up and beg ford prefect. They came round a corner and straight into the arse end of an elephant. the elephant sat down on the hood and then took of in a fright and rage. The couple were standing looking at the damage when they heard a herd of elephants coming in their direction. They ran into the bush and climbed a tree and watched while the herd stomped their car flat. It was a long walk home to Fort Portal in the dark through the park. | |||
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Wow, this is what many of us would love to hear about and old Africa to come alive again. Mike | |||
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Contact Nigel Theisen ( nigeltheisen@gmail.com ) great Zimbabwe PH currently doing some safaris that side Mart martinpieterssafaris@gmail.com www.martinpieterssafaris.com " hunt as if it's your last one you'll ever be on" | |||
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Martin, did you buy Bulembi from my buddy Butch? Butch and I used to play rugby and I have a couple of stories bout him. He is a great guy. Thanks for the tip I will email Nigel but so far Philip has been most helpful | |||
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 Karamoja in 2010 If you have trouble getting Nigel...e-mail me at ledvm@msn.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Gentlemen, thankyou for your help. I am in touch with Philip and he is being most helpful. Yahoo Kidepo here we come. | |||
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I will never forget a min of my time there and i hope to get over to see Phillip again one of these days. One of the best thing to happen while we where there was the evening we arrived at the greek river camp site and just as it was getting dark the villagers down the rd. began singing and playing drums. I asked steve if Eddiau had arranged it .Steve said arrange what I don't hear anything, Steves hearing is so bad he would not hear them. when we asked the next morning eediau said no he did not arrange it the locals were sing for use to have a good hunt they wanted the meat | |||
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If you go hunting with Phillip you are in for a treat he has a great since of humor.It cuts like a knife. | |||
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Thanks for the warning on Philip's sense of humour. Ah yes the ever practical Africans but once you give them food they are your friends for life. | |||
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Would enjoy hearing more of your experiences and stories and pics...Very interesting indeed | |||
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Thank you for the photos and memories. For so many of us, relatively new to African hunting, this sort of olden days stuff is what we want to experience, but never will. We read and read, but hearing your memories and seeing the photos can bring us just a little closer. | |||
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Here is a good report of a recent trip to Kidepo: http://safaritalk.net/topic/10...iopia-february-2013/ Enjoy! | |||
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