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Allen, I think is one of Ray Atkinson favourites combos for african hunting, and that means something..... L | |||
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Allen, I didn't use a 338 mag or the 210gr Nosler, but I did use a 338/08 with 200gr Barnes X bullets and killed 10 of the large african antelope and two elk with this combo. I was more than satified with the results. A 338 mag with 225gr triple shock Barnes X bullets woulkd work great in Africa. | |||
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AD Have you tried 225 grain North Forks out of your 338? Hunt as long as you can As hard as you can. You may not get tommorrow. | |||
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Jeff, I have them on hand, but I haven't worked up any loads yet around them. AD | ||
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Allen, while I am sure that the 210gr bullets will work well on all PG, I would strongly suggest using either the 225gr. North Fork or the 225gr. TSX - provided one load shoots as well as your 210gr Noslers. My buddy has used those loads on Moose and elk and achieved great penetration AND expansion. The 225gr. also have a higher S.D. and B.C. | |||
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Allen, I have shot maybe 50 head of plainsgame including a number of Eland as well as elk, deer and few bear with the 210 Nosler..I have also used the 225 and 250 gr. Noslers to a somewhat lesser extent... I will take the 210 Nosler hands down for penitration and killing power..Anyone that has used that bullet will arrive at the same conclusion and toss the balistic tables to the four winds.... I suppose its the added velocity and perhaps a lesser cross section but whatever it works... It is about the only bullet I use anymore in my .338...that and the 300 gr. Woodleigh PP.....and they both shoot to the same POI in my gun... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Does anybody know where the partition is on a 210 grain compared to the 250? Recovered slugs seem about the same and the 210 grain seem to perform as well. | |||
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Allen: I've never used the round, but I offer this purely empirical observation: It's probably THE bullet for the big cats. I started this as my own resrach, but I've spoken with quite a few PHs (including Mark Sullivan) on the efficacy of high velocity bullets on a cat's sensitive nervous system. I've also read and viewed many, many videos on hunting big cats.and virtually every one, the most dramatic kills have been with fast-stepping cartridges. Accordingly, if my theory holds, the 210 Nosler should be awesome on leopard and coupled with Ray's first hand experience, I think you should give it a whirl. jorge PS: I think I have the 300 Win Mag "suitcased." 70gr of IMR 4350 Fed 215 primers and either RP or WW brass and 180gr Partitions. USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Allen, I hunted plainsgame w/ my .338-06 & the 210grNP & found that bullet perfect for everything up to Zebara. It was a .30-06 on steroids.  LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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Allen, I used my Lazzeroni short action 338 which is the ballistic equivalent of a 338 Win Mag. Took eland, black wildebeast, busbuck and an impressive 310 yd shot on a blesbok. The only bullet i rovered was out of the eland. The NP performed flawlessly. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I've used the 210 grain Noslers exclusively in my .338 WM in Africa and North America. The 210 grain load shoots extremely well in my rifle, 3/4" 3 shot groups at 100 yds. The bullet has performed admirably on kudu, zebra, eland and waterbuck with complete penetration on all animals but the eland and one shot kills on the kudu and zebra. I've also had success with this round on elk in Utah and nilgai in South Texas. Nilgai can be extremely tough animals to bring down, very similar to gemsbok, but one shot through the shoulders this year did the trick. Again, complete penetration where the 2 300 WSM's shooting 180 grain Failsafes and the 300 WM shooting 180 grain TB's did not. Again, I don't have as much experience as Ray with the load but I can heartily recommend it from my experiences. On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Thank you, gentlemen, for those responses. Based on your experiences with the 210 Nosler, I think I'd be very comfortable using that bullet on plainsgame, plus leopard. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, because it's always worked well for me on elk, and I generally feel that a good elk load makes for a pretty good African plainsgame load. Ray I think you're right, it does seem to out-perform its paper ballistics...... AD | ||
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I have sectioned these in the past and the partition on the 250's is higher. (base to partition) It seems like it was about 1/8" longer, but I'm going by memory..... BigRx | |||
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