Nothing to do with any rifle.

Just plain bad shooting.

Saw that some time back. I wouldn't have posted it.

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Originally posted by ijl:
Saw that some time back. I wouldn't have posted it.

Why not?

It is rather tame compared with some of stupid videos posted on youtube.

We have never been in a charge situation - we try everything possible to avoid that.

But if does happen, one only gets one shot really, and one better make it count.

I shot a lion in Chete.

We were up on a hillside, and he was feeding on a hippo we hung up down in the valley.

He was standing up feeding when I shot.

He started rolling about for a few seconds and disappeared from our view, but we could still hear him growling for a while.

It was very rocky where he was, so we decided to go to the opposite hillside and look.

We saw lots of blood by the bait tree, but no lion.

We had no choice but to get down and have a look.

Both Roy and me had our rifles ready.

One of us passed within 3 feet of where he was lying between the rocks, and never saw him.

Luckily he was stone dead!

Looks at face value that the fellows were not expecting a drugged lion to charge?

That bolt probably needed a hammer to open it.

And it took forever for them to pick up and presumably clear the injured guys rifle.

Cheers
Stu

geez when i saw the title of this post i was expecting a picture of a blaser

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Originally posted by butchloc:
geez when i saw the title of this post i was expecting a picture of a blaser

Please do not mention toy guns on this forum!

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Originally posted by butchloc:
geez when i saw the title of this post i was expecting a picture of a blaser

Yep! Me too.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
geez when i saw the title of this post i was expecting a picture of a blaser

I was expecting a rifle in calibre 375.

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geez when i saw the title of this post i was expecting a picture of a blaser

It wouldn't have happened with a Blaser....with the speed of the straight-pull action, he would never have made it that far :-)

It looks like one of these short Ruger rifles with Hogue stock..?..

We saw this video awhile back. It was just a hot load; 416 ruger wasn't it? I had a well known custom gunmaker tell me that they often get sticky bolt lifts with hornady ammo. They hot load the 416 ruger so it can match the 416 remington and rigby which it strains to do. The gun was o'k as for putting the lion down he just couldn't work the bolt afterwards.

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It was just a hot load; 416 ruger wasn't it?

That is the result one gets by being a little too ambitious with the dosage. Seen it before with some hand-loads originating from SA.

Client thought the bolt would free if he whacked it with a stick - the handle came unstuck but the bolt stayed put.

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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
We saw this video awhile back. It was just a hot load; 416 ruger wasn't it? I had a well known custom gunmaker tell me that they often get sticky bolt lifts with hornady ammo. They hot load the 416 ruger so it can match the 416 remington and rigby which it strains to do. The gun was o'k as for putting the lion down he just couldn't work the bolt afterwards.

I always wondered about that. Thanks for the info. I wondered how it could be as fast as the bigger cases and not be higher pressure.

I was expecting either a Merkel or the biggest hoax foisted on the shooting public, the REmington 700....

That's why it is so important to have Mark Sullivan by your side. That big .600 NE would have flattened that cat!

BH63

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Originally posted by BuffHunter63:
That's why it is so important to have Mark Sullivan by your side. That big .600 NE would have flattened that cat!

BH63

Mark Sullivan never played his silly game by purposely wounding buffalo to have his moments of self glorification!

Lions do not play that game.

That is why they are called lions.

Cowards avoid them

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Originally posted by buckeyeshooter:

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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
We saw this video awhile back. It was just a hot load; 416 ruger wasn't it? I had a well known custom gunmaker tell me that they often get sticky bolt lifts with hornady ammo. They hot load the 416 ruger so it can match the 416 remington and rigby which it strains to do. The gun was o'k as for putting the lion down he just couldn't work the bolt afterwards.

I always wondered about that. Thanks for the info. I wondered how it could be as fast as the bigger cases and not be higher pressure.

I had the same thought. In 2010, I asked the Hornady rep at the SCI convention in Reno about the pressure levels in the 416 Ruger. He turned his back on me and walked away.

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I had the same thought. In 2010, I asked the Hornady rep at the SCI convention in Reno about the pressure levels in the 416 Ruger. He turned his back on me and walked away.

That seems to be "de rigeur" for Hornady. I approached them at DSC asking about 405 WCF brass and I got the IDGAF look...

Jorge,
A poster on another forum was wailing about the fact that he could not find any Hornady brass for his new 1895 .405.
I sent him a link to new Hornady ammo with a very good price and suggested he buy that and use it to become familiar with his new rifle and at the same time MAKE his own supply of .405 brass.
No response!

To folks (you know who you are) being ignored by Hornady staff at DSC show:

They were very nice to me. I bragged (truthfully) on their .308 SuperPerformance ammo and how the 20 round box purchased three years ago had 10 rounds left, having killed 9 critters from coyotes to elk. One feral hog made noise dying and was disturbing the peace, so it was shot twice.

He then gave me a Hornady cap and catalog.

I got a cap as well, but I just took it off the table...

A Chinese air raid drill...a cornucopia of mistakes, They even took it unto themselves go walk away from the Lion and acted like they had on idea what to do..I think killing a live wounded lion would take priority..oh well, I wasn't there but had I been I would have shot the damn Lion again..only one gun and how many people...Am I missing something..

It could be very easy to be the Monday morning quarter-back with this video, for those of us that were not present.

I hope that the injuries sustained were not extreme, and that the injured party recovered fully.

Looks like a nasty canine puncture to the upper shoulder that needs to be plugged immediately.

If I can make a singular comment, that the first aid, seemingly applied, is not ideal.

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If I can make a singular comment, that the first aid, seemingly applied, is not ideal.

The First Aid box with all its accoutrements does not normally form part of the baggage while on a stalk.

I'm sure he will have received medical attention once the filming was over.

Under these circumstances, one must aim well and shoot fast.

About half of those things happened here.

Isn't that the same lion charge video from a
couple years ago? Only different viewing angle.

George

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Originally posted by MikeBurke:

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Originally posted by butchloc:
geez when i saw the title of this post i was expecting a picture of a blaser

I was expecting a rifle in calibre 375.

If it was, they probably would have hit right.

To be honest I didn't see a single person in that video I'd care to hunt with. Didn't seem to have a clue before it went pear-shaped and certainly not after.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
To be honest I didn't see a single person in that video I'd care to hunt with. Didn't seem to have a clue before it went pear-shaped and certainly not after.

Jeff,

Many things can go upside down in a wounded animal situation, as one can never be absolutely certain what is actually going on.

We have been on several hunts, where we could have gotten in bad trouble, if the first shot wasn't fatal.

We have followed wounded animals, and due to the train, were not able to see them until we were right on top of them.

On occasions we actually passed them a few feet away and never saw them.

Luckily they were already dead.

If that was not the case, someone would certainly have gotten hurt.

Pay no attention to the bullshit Mark Sullivan puts out.

Very rarely a buffalo would lay down right in the open waiting for you.

He would find the worst thicket he can, and lay in wait there.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
To be honest I didn't see a single person in that video I'd care to hunt with. Didn't seem to have a clue before it went pear-shaped and certainly not after.

Jeff,

Many things can go upside down in a wounded animal situation, as one can never be absolutely certain what is actually going on.

We have been on several hunts, where we could have gotten in bad trouble, if the first shot wasn't fatal.

We have followed wounded animals, and due to the train, were not able to see them until we were right on top of them.

On occasions we actually passed them a few feet away and never saw them.

Luckily they were already dead.

If that was not the case, someone would certainly have gotten hurt.

Pay no attention to the bullshit Mark Sullivan puts out.

Very rarely a buffalo would lay down right in the open waiting for you.

He would find the worst thicket he can, and lay in wait there.

One of the first things I learned in the Army is the most important thing you can know about the guy with a gun next to you is what he'll do when everything goes wrong.

Nobody in that video would fill me with confidence.

I was reading a fairly obscure book the other day, Man Eaters and Jungle Killers by a Kenneth Anderson that contains the most amazing hunting picture I've ever seen, a leopard charge taken from directly behind the tom. Guy with the camera was trailing the hunter by 20-25 feet, leopard waited until the hunter passed but apparently didn't notice the photographer. Hunter turns and kills the cat before noticing the photographer directly behind the cat. I'll eventually figure out how to get the picture posted here.

I wonder if they are still using those Rugers?

Did he get shot or chomped?

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Originally posted by WLW:
Did he get shot or chomped?

Everybody but the leopard was fine. I think it was a .450/400 he was shooting, the picture is from directly behind the cat (obviously a tom) maybe 10 feet, with the shooter about that far in front of it. I gather from the narrative things were happening a mite quickly.

I will tell you the story of my friend Yushka.

He used to have the concession where we have been hunting for the past few years, in the Selous.

He used to come to Dubai every year, and always came over for dinner at our house.

He kept asking me to go and hunt with him, and I promised that one day I would.

He had bad experience with cats, ultimately a lioness killed him.

He told me of the time he was hunting leopard with a client.

They were trying to put up bait, when the leopard just walked by.

He told his client to shoot it, and the client did.

Leopard ran off, and Yushka went after it.

They found blood and followed it.

The leopard surprised him from close quarters, he had a fight with it, got scalped, and the leopard ran off.

Yushka was a big man, and he was not going to let the leopard get away.

Went back to camp, tied his head up and took his shotgun and went back to the leopard.

I never asked him what the client was doing in all this, as I got the impression he was not too impressed with him.

He went to where he last saw the leopard, the leopard did not go far from there, and attacked him again!!

He managed to kill it.

He never made any drama out of these incredible encounters.

A few years later he got attacked by a lioness, and died as a result of that in hospital.

We miss him very much.

He was so much fun to be with.

He used to borrow a jet ski, and go cruising down the beach.

He used to say he was going hunting.

He never came back without having picked a pretty girl from the beach!

He used to call himself "the big baboon". And says that helps him pick up these girls off the beach