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Marc If you read this -- I can't wait for the Ethiopia DVD. You are very fortunate as a hunter, as in "when preparation meets opportunity". I find you immensely entertaining and informative, and realize that I need and should seek a wide range of perspectives. Mostly I'm grateful that I have the opportunity to spend a few dollars to borrow the cameras of those infected with the desire to translate hunting action on to film. (I know it's coming, so please note I WANT to pay full price. Keep giving us something to see and "discuss".) _______________________ | |||
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My only contact with either party was in Reno. I took my lion at the same camp Mark got his. I walked up to his booth and said hello and began to tell him this. He whips out a color 8 x 10 and signs it and hands it to me. I stood dumbfounded. HUGH ego does not make him a bad person, but I won't watch his productions. but I don't watch George Clooney either because of his political views. NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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Dave, On point one you are correct I did not book through Chifuti I booked through Lance Nesbitt. Who used to be one of the pricipal hunters at Swainsons the group who had the Dande before Chifuti. On point two you are not correct not only was Lance "authorized" to quote me the price he did it was agreed to by the Zimbabwe office. I have that in writing. And my 50% deposit for the agreed to amount was accepted with no questions asked. As far as our coverstation, that was well before I recived the final bill with the gratis daily fee increase from YOUR office in Dallas. You and I have never had a conversation about the bogus add on daily fee charges Dave for the simple reason that I did NOT book with you therefore it was none of your business. In fact I recived an E-mail from Zim in which I was told that the reason that I was being charged the extra amount was that my deposit wasn't recived in time. And that was per Andy and Paul. And for your information there was never any mention of a daily fee penalty for a "late" deposit until I recived the final bill. That would be my one and only problem with Andy. If you think that it is an ill concived one then you and I have a different notion of how one should conduct business. Your team is welcome to get as "hot" as they'd like. The simple fact of the matter is that my agreement with the guys in the Zim office whether you want to claim them as your guys or not wasn't honored. You can also feel free to call this sniper fire. I call it a legitimate complaint for a legitimate problem. And of course you are welcome to try and deflect this away from Chifuti as the hunt was in fact not booked through your Dallas office. But it was the very same people with whom comprise Chiffuti in Zim that are at the root of this. | |||
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Dave, Would you kind enough to explain the above please. I am not too sure I understand what is meant. If SS bought the hunt through someone who has bought quota from Chifuti, wouldn't Chifuti still be responssible for that hunt? Or is it that Chifuti sold the quota, and whoever bought has to orgenize the hunt? And I think to set the record straight, it might be a good idea to name that third party. | |||
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Giv'em hell surestrike! I'll spot for you. I see that your first shot hit a nerve ... Lemme check the wind, barometer, temp from those wireless telemetry stations that I set out between here and target. We have a third man along to get the telephoto video verification. Saeed? Camera ready?  Oh, yes, Marc Watts: I've got all his videos and the latest book. Enjoyed them all, except for a few minutes of the soap opera in "Fire and Ice." I gave all my Mark Sullivan stuff to a cave dweller in San Diego. | |||
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Dave - Thanks for the "full" story and explanation of such. SS - maybe it would behoove you to be so honest and complete when stating your side of the story?? Sounds like you are blaming someone else for your misjudgement and shorcomings? I personally don't like Marc's videos but that's my choice and opinion. Everyone to his own choice on what to watch. That's the funny thing on here, people whine and complain about videos and TV hunting shows, but nobody makes us watch something we don't want to. All the VCR's and TV's I have ever seen have a On/Off switch. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Larry so true about the switches and the same is true here no one forces one read all posts and you can use the ignore option. We only have to live or die, all other choices are optional, eh.  | |||
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In the long intro to the video Fire & Ice Andrew Dawson makes the statement "I've never hunted with a Black hunter and I was (pause) & I didn't really know what to expect". Some minutes prior to this Andrew also states that (in reference to Mark) "Where ever he seems to go he shoots some exceptional trophies". | |||
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Just an observation here, nothing more. None of it is from African Safari experience as I have none, this is just based on experience here in Texas and the U.S.. One possible and quite plausible reason for Mr. Dawson's comment, a comment that maybe should not have been said, and one that Mr. Watts may have taken completely out of context, is that at least from my experience, when it comes to Big Game hunting, Black's are still a minority in terms of numbers. It has nothing what so ever to do with their skill/knowledge/ability/skin color, it just seems that not as many black's are as drawn to Big Game hunting, as they are to small game and birds and fishing. There is nothing racist about that, unless the statement is taken out of context. Out of 40+ years of hunting, I have only been on 3 hunts that I can remember there being a black person on. They were just as good a hunter as anyone else in camp, but because, and again this is just my experience, there seem to be so few that most people run into or hunt with, that they are a novelty to many folks, and things can be and are said that can be taken completely out of context, when the initial statement was completely innocent and just an observation. JMO. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Why would a person book into an area that is operated by an outfitter using "bought quota" from a free lance PH? To avoid the agent fee? What possible reason other than to get a "deal"? If you book with Chifuti via the guys in Dallas, you would have had a contract, honorable in the US and in US court should things go sour. You would have had garauntees about day rate increases and trophy fees. Dealing direct, you are vulnerable to abuse. I have done it both ways and prefer to use an agent that I can after if things are misrepresented or something unlawful occurs. No amount of "legaleze" protects an agent from a fraud or grand theft issue in the US. A contract is a contract and is between agent and hunter. If the agent prefers to deflect to the outfitter, that is outside the US - get another agent. | |||
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Marc Watts is as much an ego-maniac as our well liked friend here on AR, MS.. I'll pass. And who gives two shits if he and Dawson had conflicts on their hunt?? Not everybody is going to get along in this world. Why exploit that into a film and article with a racial spin to it? I read that article and felt that if there was ANYBODY with the racial tendencies, it was Watts all the way.. That's the way I saw it. | |||
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Sorry Larry, But what do my "shortcomings and misjudgement" have to do with a daily fee agreement that wasn't honored? If I haven't been honest or complete in any of my statements would you please be so kind as to point them out. I will be the first to correct and or clarify any and all that are indeed incorrect or dishonest. | |||
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I met Marc a few times and have probably spent a few hours in total talking with him. Guy's, Marc really is a NICE GUY and is a passionate hunter as well and I don't think that he deserves to be looked at in a bad light. Does he have a big ego...I think that he probably does as do most highly sucessful people. I think that we all have an ego from one degree or another I also think that Andrew Dawson's comment was an innocent one and he only meant that he didn't know what to expect upon guiding his first african-american client. As for Marc being racist, I did not hear anything from him which would indicate that he was. Guy's, Marc is an extremely intellegent person, and I think he is smart enough to judge people fairly and not by the color of their skin. I will bet any of you that if you approached him at a show and say hello, he would be qenuinely happy to say hello and talk with you....you can't miss him.....he is the only 6'5" jacked, black guy wearing a cowboy hat! Hey fellas, we all have our own prejuduces here let's not bullshit each other, but treat people with kindness, dignity, and respect and you can make it anywhere. Just my 2 cents | |||
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My ony experience with Marc has been here on AR. From my point of view he has been very helpful to African hunters and contributed some good information and some great pictures of one king hell of a lord derby eland! ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Wait until you see the new #1 Mt.Nyala he shot in Ethiopia this year | |||
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I have not seen his videos yet but think he has made some good observations here on AR. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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Who Cares? I mean really... | |||
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Read Bwana Bunduki's post and erased mine. The more I thought about it the more I felt, "Who the hell am I to judge!" No offense intended Marc Watts. Enjoy the hunt. It's your experience. Do it your way. Tanzania in 2006! Had 141 posts on prior forum as citori3. | |||
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Reasons: 1.) To hunt with that PH, who you may know well and have a good time with. 2.) To hunt with a particular PH who brings added value to the equation, like one who knows the area better, or, say, who is an ele or cat specialist... A cpoule of examples here would be hunting in Chewore with Buzz Charlton - who knows the area well and who is a hell of a good fellow to spend time with and hunt with and who is an exceptional ele PH. Thinking about it, I've hunted eles in an HHK concession with Buzz ans also in Omay South, who is held by ? - damn, I hate it when I have brain fade Or in my mosrt recent case, to hunt Chewore South with Rich Tabor, who I really enjoy hunting with and who knows chewore like the back of his hand having spent many seasons and a couple of off season hunting Chewore South or as appy for Roger Whittall. Plus Rich is a fine elephant PH as well (and good friends with Buzz to boot).... I hunted with Rich in Chewore South in October nad November - but signed a contract with Chifuti at their insistance - which was alright by me and Rich. I received word and hour after arriving in camp that my dad had died the evening before. Chifuti was more than accomodating getting me the word, assisting in getting me home and in rescheduling the hunt for later in October and November - couldn't have asked for more, wouldn't have expected less from a first class outfit, which they are. That same trip, I hunted with Rich at Makuti through CMS. I signed a contract with Charlton McCallum Safaris for that hunt. And CMS, Buzz and Myles were equally accomodating in assisting me in getting home and in rescheduling my hunt for later, like one would expect of the first class operation that CMS is. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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And I just love Buzz. Did I tell everyone we are engaged?  ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Absolutely spot on. I hunted with John Sharp in Dande North in the concession now owned by Chifuti when Swainson's had it. It was a great hunt and I would do so again. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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That little two-timing SOB! On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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