Is it true that all hunting in Zimbabwe has been closed as of today for some form of a census to be carried out.

This is incorrect. There will be lots more coming out on this, but Parks is in meetings to figure out how to control non-Zim Ph's (South Africans) from illegal hunting practices that have been much publicized in recent seasons.
This will be all worked out by SCI.

SCI, they have never done anything for Africa!

I think he means the issue will be resolved before the shows.

The last two paragraphs in this article are very interesting.


Zimbabwe suspends hunting
http://www.zimonline.co.za

by Chenai Maramba Wednesday 02 December 2009

HARARE - Zimbabwe has suspended wildlife hunting licences in what sources
said was part of efforts to curb poaching that has been on the rise since
the start of the year.

The Department of National Parks and Wildlife, in charge of national parks
in the country, flighted adverts in the press on Monday warning permit
holders currently on hunting sessions to stop hunting with immediate effect.

''National Parks and Wildlife Authority would like to warn the public that
all current hunting permits have been suspended with immediate effect to
verify them," the advert said, adding; "All current permit holders are
advised to approach the Parks Authority to verify validity of their
permits.''

National Parks director general Morris Mutsambiwa could not be reached for
comment.

However, a senior official with a local non-governmental organisation (NGO)
that campaigns against poaching said suspension of permits was aimed at
curbing poaching and abuse of hunting permits that has seen the country
losing thousands of dollars in potential earnings from trophy hunting.

''National Parks is reacting to numerous reports of poaching, over-hunting
of quotas by hunters as well as abuse of permits,'' said the NGO official
who declined to be named for fear of victimisation.

Last month National Parks officials blamed the upsurge in poaching in the
country on a cartel of international gangsters they said were funding
poachers to kill valuable game such as the rhino that is hunted for its
horn.

Zimbabwe is one of four countries in the world that still have significant
populations of rhinos. The other three all in Africa are Kenya, Namibia and
South Africa.

Wildlife authorities in the country have found it hard to contain poaching
in national parks especially after landless villagers began invading - with
the government's tacit approval - white-owned farms in 2000.

There have also been widespread reports of illegal and uncontrolled trophy
hunting on former white-owned conservancies now controlled by powerful
politicians from President Robert Mugabe's ZANU PF party.

The government however denies that politicians are illegally hunting game
and insists it still has poaching under control. - ZimOnline

Worked out by SCI?????????? What SCI are you talking about?

Buliwyf,
Are you anti SCI now too? is napha not big enought to grind your ax?

You crack me up! You need to get a dog, so you have something to take out your frustrations on.

quote:

Originally posted by David W:
I think he means the issue will be resolved before the shows.

Thank you David for providing clarity for those of us (myself included) that glance over something written and are more than ready to "fly off the handle", or perhaps prepare to use the ever-so-classy "WT_"!

quote:

Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
SCI, they have never done anything for Africa!

I find this statement halarious! SCI is the gateway for people to hunt africa. If you don't believe so, then why on earth do all the PH's/outfitters go there every year?

I don't understand the Anti-SCI vibe that some members of this forum take...

He is being sarcastic.

Oryxhunter:

DOJ's comments are tongue in cheek. There were many threads regarding SCI before you recently joined and DOJ has been a strong supporter of SCI.

A few vocal posters always seem to be bashing SCI. DOJ is not one of them.

Larry and RCG

I will withdraw my statements, but as you said, there are some people on here that bash SCI, and I just don't understand why. They are without a doubt the largest protectors of hunting around the world.

SO cheers and good to know we're all on the same side!

quote:

Originally posted by Oryxhunter1983:
Larry and RCG

I will withdraw my statements, but as you said, there are some people on here that bash SCI, and I just don't understand why. They are without a doubt the largest protectors of hunting around the world.

SO cheers and good to know we're all on the same side!

I'm a SCI member and supporter, but they have their issues. Most of the issues that people have are with SCI's practices of charging, asking for, or "extorting" depending on how you look at it money from vendors at the show. The other common issue is a seeming lack of transparency about their expenditure of money and a lack of grass roots spending by SCI. These are all valid concerns to some degree. SCIF is a charitable grass roots organization and they do a lot of good. SCI does some grass roots, but their real meat and potatoes is lobbying in Washington DC. Many think they should spend less on lobbying and more on grass roots projects and efforts. Another issue is that so much of the money is taken from African outfitters and then spent by Safari Club "International" in the United States. As for the show I've heard many stories about the expenses involved with attending, but hey if you don't like it don't go!

Brett

I would really like to see some useful things SCI HAS done for African hunters.

I am not talking about donating a few thousand dollares to some African charity, but REAL acts that have actually been bebeficial to hunters who do go to Africa.

We had all this discussion in the past, and sadly, no one has been able to point us towards anything more than a grand total of around $60,000 donated to Africa in several years.

I will be so happy to see anyone point us towards what SCI has actually done.

And please don't tell us to look at their audited accounts. That is so full of bloody holes it make a Swiss cheese jealous!

quote:

And please don't tell us to look at their audited accounts. That is so full of bloody holes it make a Swiss cheese jealous!

Seloushunter

I will say that a couple years ago I took issue with an anti-hunting sentiment expressed in a Newsweek article on gorillas. The author, a Newsweek reporter, and I went back and forth and Newsweek demanded I document my claims of sport hunting's significant contributions to game conservation before they would publish my letter. I reached out to SCI for support. I had several phone conversations with SCI but was told they don't have the info and can't help me. Several members here pointed me in the right direction for research and I got the job done but SCI was of no help.

One would think SCI would be at the forefront of gathering and distributing that kind of info but not when I needed it to defend our sport.

I am still an SCI member but I haven't renewed yet and may not.

FWIW, I am a life member of the NRA.

To set my statement straight, when I said the matters should be resolved and a plan to halt illegal outfitters in place by SCI, I should have said "by the time the shows roll around in January. Now, back to the SCI debate...

Dave,

I totally understood what you were talking about the first time...

This time of year "by SCI" means only one thing...RENO CONVENTION! I know I'm excited!

If their real meat and potatoes is lobbying in Washington DC and they are without a doubt the largest protectors of hunting around the world, can someone please tell me what they're doing with regard to lobbying Washington DC about trying to protect hunters rights by getting USF&WS to lift their unreasonable and unjustified ban on importation of Mozambican Elephant products that has been in force since around the time of the original ban?



And gentlemen, before everyone jumps on my case, that comment was also made with tongue firmly in cheek.

I just couldn't resist it though!

Problem is:

Members of SCI have a much higher income then the average american

Anti-hunters have a much lower income then average amerian

government jobs look like a big pay reduction to a typical SCI member

government jobs look like a great pay increase to the typical anti

Guess who applies for jobs at USFWS

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
If their real meat and potatoes is lobbying in Washington DC and they are without a doubt the largest protectors of hunting around the world, can someone please tell me what they're doing with regard to lobbying Washington DC about trying to protect hunters rights by getting USF&WS to lift their unreasonable and unjustified ban on importation of Mozambican Elephant products that has been in force since around the time of the original ban?



And gentlemen, before everyone jumps on my case, that comment was also made with tongue firmly in cheek.

I just couldn't resist it though!

AND YOUR COMMENT HAS WHAT TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL TOPIC OF THIS POST????????? STAY ON TOPIC OR TAKE YOUR ANTI-SCI POSTS TO A NEW(OLD?????) ONE. THE POSITION OF YOUR TONGUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A HUNTING CLOSURE IN ZIM. TRY TO RESIST YOUR TEMPTATIONS.

It had enough to do with the original topic to contain two quotes from previous posts on the thread, although quote marks were omitted for the sake of subtlety and wit......... I take it, you're not big on sense of humour then?

Ah well, I thought it was funny.

From SCI
UPDATE: Zimbabwe Hunting Season Remains Open

SCI has received confirmation yesterday disputing the rumor that Zimbabwe had closed hunting for the 2009 and 2010 seasons. SCI communicated with the Zimbabwean government and learned that hunting for the remainder of the 2009 and for 2010 will continue while Zimbabwe engages in enhanced measures to curb poaching. Zimbabwe’s government, responding to allegations that some 2009 hunting permits were being forged, are now taking extra precautions to confirm that all government issued hunting permits are in fact legitimate. Moving forward into next year, the government will create new government permits that have better forgery security.

I don't know anything good or bad SCI does on a regular basis. I only know I support Kevin Robertson and others in their arguement with SCI over their scoring system that encourages shooting soft boss bulls because they have a "good spread" even though they may not have even passed along their genes.

Thanks Blacktailer. Someone finally answered the question for us.

Did someone say SCI?

Thanks gbanger, include under size bushbuck, immature E C kudu et al