Anyone have any experience calling lions with electronic calls? I notice Foxpro has a few downloadable Africa sound calls on there website. I was just thinking it could increase odds on a huge area where the cats are spread out.

Works like a charm if you use a distress call like a buffalo calf or something similar.

This is only legal on private property, in Zim anyway

And always remember, having the speaker in the blind with you is a very BAD idea!

Researchers in the Save Valley Conservancy have used the call of a bleating buffalo calf to help with Lion counts.all very successful.

I recommend you get yourself into a nice big open area where you have a good visual of 100meters around you.

If possible call from a platform in a tree with a fox Pro and an extension a good 50m away.

Don't be surprised if you call a leopard in as they have also come into the bleating buffalo calf call.

Calling must be a great way to hunt lions, must agree with lionhunter dont leave the speaker in the hide. CAWA do it in CAR if im not mistaken.

I was thinking of putting the speaker under Jerry's hammock. Just kidding Jerry.

Put the speaker in Walter's tent in Tanzania next year when Saeed goes. Set up a video camera and the let the fun begin.

Anyone know where I can find a bleating buffalo calf sound for my Foxpro?

On our safari Dillon had a lion roar on his Ipod. WE were having a few beers one evening out in the bush and we heard a lion roar in the distance. Dillon put on the ipod through the trucks speakers and bugger me if our real lions started to get a little closer each roar. We didn't stick around to see if we called them right in as we had to get back to camp but it was pretty cool none the less.

I've been told that a lions roar works quite well if you do it close to a bait that has been hit!

Where will you hunt lions?

Brain1 you guys live in a country full of cattle.Buy a recorder and call one of your local cattle ranchers and ask him when he is castrating calves or dehorning.Some may still do branding.You will get some excellent calls.

Failing that send Mandla zip a PM as i am sure he can help out.

Sorry correction MANDLAZIM

Machan...the only way to go if calling a lion! We used a fox-pro on my cheetah and it worked really well.

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Originally posted by Guy Whittall:
Researchers in the Save Valley Conservancy have used the call of a bleating buffalo calf to help with Lion counts.all very successful.

I recommend you get yourself into a nice big open area where you have a good visual of 100meters around you.

If possible call from a platform in a tree with a fox Pro and an extension a good 50m away.

Don't be surprised if you call a leopard in as they have also come into the bleating buffalo calf call.

I was on a hunt with Thierry Labat on Sango a couple years ago ago and we used a male challenge call to call in a big male lion with Dusty Joubert who was doing a lion and leopard study.

The male showed up with about 10 girlfriends and it was pretty dang exciting for a few minutes.

I'd think the call and release might get a little dicey at times.....

Brain1 - I used a Foxpro in the Bubye to call hyena and I had lions coming in to both hyena pack howls & bushpig-in-distress calls ( both avail. on Foxpro website). My "problem" was that I didn't want lions coming in! As you know, the remote speaker can be placed 100 yars away. Good luck & post a report.

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Originally posted by Brain1:
I was thinking of putting the speaker under Jerry's hammock. Just kidding Jerry.

oh Lord, Brian one more pice of kit for the poor porters to lug- AND ONE MORE THING FOR ME TO WORRY ABOUT! I was thinking about dragging guts back to camp and placing them near YOUR hammock
i have to think that recorded calls of wild hogs in distress/ feeding/ fighting, etc. might work too.after all a red river hog( which are there ) and regular US wild hog must sound pretty similar. just a thought.11 days and counting, mate.....

Foxpro Fury and other models, you can place the call several hundred yards from the remote. I didn't bring mine this year, but wish I had.

We were hunting a problem lion at night, tried using a small speaker/call but did not get clear enough sound from it, although did get hyena visits right afterwards to the bait.

Would have liked to have several sounds available on the box, don't know about buff calves, but hyena howl and some kind of distress call would likely work. Very hard to get an authentic lion call, you are going to need a big speaker!

Something small but loud like the Fury, ought to work well, but yes, don't put it in the blind!

On my lion hunt in 2012 we used a hyena feeding tape that I was told had called in many lions. It sure worked on mine--



Will remember to my dying day what those lion eyes looked like in the spotlight and the low rumble of their growls.

The Foxpro Hellfire is what I have. I was going to install some recordings of Obama's speech earlier this year. Then I was informed I was hunting African lion not lying African.

MY,my,my

Is it legal, is it ethical?
In which country?

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
MY,my,my

Is it legal, is it ethical?
In which country?

i ve seen that in CAR nothing electronic but a big trumpet.

it was legal at that time.

ethical : im calling bear using nothing in electronic way and the ethic is always something very hard to define ....

the way in Europe hunting is done by pushing game by dogs and beaters is not very ethical if considering winter time is not the best for feeding .... and it is legal ...

all the best.

Phil

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Originally posted by Brain1:
The Foxpro Hellfire is what I have. I was going to install some recordings of Obama's speech earlier this year. Then I was informed I was hunting African lion not lying African.

That is funny.

But a good, hungry lion might find a lying African attractive too.

JPK

Russ Broom has a funny story about using a call in the Land Cruiser and having to shoot the lion off the hood as it was coming over the windscreen.

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
MY,my,my

Is it legal, is it ethical?
In which country?

What has ethics got to do with it?

Is it ethical to use a scope to shoot a lion?

Is it ethical to use bait to shoot a lion?

I can go on for ever about ethics.

We recently went to the Mountain Zebra National Park here in the Eastern Cape. A lioness was lying probably 200yds off in the grass and nobody could get a good glimps of her.

I simply rolled down my window and with cupped hands squeaked with my lips a simply little distress call and called her all the way in that she walked around the vehicle.

so yes, very definitely can be done.

Thanks Saeed for some common sense. It is sorely lacking in some folks.

I call coyotes here in Arizona. I like it a lot.
What is good is they are coming at me rather than running away. I got hooked on it with a friend who used mouth calls, one of the first coyotes I shot was at a full run towards us, I could hear it feet pounding on the ground, and I shot it at 6 yards-- the guy calling put his foot up so it would not hit him. WOW!
Now this scenario would not be 100% for a lion but having one come to the call (close but not too close) would be a spectacular hunt.
Not being ANY expert on lion behavior, if they are anything like a coyote they come in with attention focused on the call and decoy and it offers a good close shot.



ethics- I was with a friend on a canned RSA lion hunt, we knew the situation-farm raised lions. I was not real good doing it myself but I was not going to miss it. I was in the blind with him.
There is legal and illegal, ethics is just a personal thing. If you have a problem, don't do it.

Mark

Hunting called lions would certainly be exciting, but it would be difficult to judge them, age wise, in that split second that you had to make the decision to shoot or not shoot. JMHO

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Originally posted by lavaca:
but it would be difficult to judge them, age wise, in that split second that you had to make the decision to shoot or not shoot. JMHO

I don't think this would be the result. I suspect a call would bring them in and result in a much more casual shooting situation.

http://www.academia.edu/407249...ame_Reserve_Tanzania

Interesting research article using lion calling to gather data.

Would be interested to know if people have had similar results in calling in the whole pride as a posed to a solitary male.

The lions that I inadvertently called in at BVC came in casually, liked they owned the place ( which they did).

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Originally posted by joester:
The lions that I inadvertently called in at BVC came in casually, liked they owned the place ( which they did).

That's what I was thinking. Even my Cheetah (as part of a group of five) came in pretty relaxed...and they are definitely "low cat on the totem pole". I would bet any lion worth shooting will come in with a strut and not a sneak.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
MY,my,my

Is it legal, is it ethical?
In which country?

What has ethics got to do with it?

Is it ethical to use a scope to shoot a lion?

Is it ethical to use bait to shoot a lion?

I can go on for ever about ethics.

You have a point Saeed. One can ask for legality, not for ethics. Furthermore I have a soft point with the lion.
I live in a country where both this notions are mixed. Here using electronic devices is illegal, and tradition keeps on using either the mouth or whistling in all sort of devices. One has to learn or to hire some talented guy. Hunting according to law and tradition can mislead to think that it’s ethics.
Ethical hunting derives first from tradition. That’s what limits or bans long range shooting, the use of silencer, phone, artificial light, night vision…………………….to summarize, progress. Is it ethics (giving the game chance enough) or tradition that restricts progress?
For the rest, OK one can stretch ethics till absolute hunting impossibility.
Anyhow hunting practices are radically different from country to country.

Brain1
Individual common sense has nothing to do with general practices.

That would be very exciting. I'd love to try it!

jbderunz
I think it does. Lets go down this road. I do it daily in my line of work.

Ethics are a personal choice for sure. But because one guy uses a rifle to hunt and the other a knife or spear, does that mean the guy with the rifle has an unfair advantage. The rifle guy will most likely not think so. The knife/spear guy could be accused (here for sure) of being a showoff.

Is a scope unethical? What about a PH and African tracker. Game has little chance if you have a good pair of these. I'm not trying to start a new thread in my old one. Thanks for your input and happy hunting.

Thanks Brain1

First it's tradition and then as you put it personnal. When You're hunting, it's first for yourself. As long as you aren't bending the rules, keeping hunter friends, and proud when back from hunting, it's OK.
Good hunting,
kind regards