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Originally posted by Will:

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Try holding two offset cartridges with your left hand and after you open the rifle, guide it into the right barrel and the left barrel will automatically follow into the left barrel.

That sounds like a good idea.

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Hey, I wasn't being a smart-ass, it does sound like a good idea; left ROUND a bit staggered back from the right round. I'll have to try that.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Will:
One of the wrist cartridge holders may help.

That is what I use.

I am right handed. After I fire both barrels, I start to drop the rifle and open the action. I like extractors, so I dump the spent rounds. I wear a wrist holder on my left forearm. Grab the two fresh rounds out of the holder with my right hand, drop them in, close the breech and it is ready to go.

This is the holder I use. Works fine.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewp...productnumber=563878

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Mike will that wrist carrier handle your 500NE cartridges?

I can get these wrist carriers in the finest leather with velcro or brass enclosers. I recommend the velcro for the wrist carriers, and they are handy for doubles of all calibers.

Practice is the key whether you choose wrist, stock, or belt carrier.

You can also try the highly dramatized method of keeping 2 cartridges between the latter 2 finger joints of the right hand for a right handed shooter.

I have tried all these methods and find the wrist reloader system to be the fastest for me. It will be different for each shooter and the caliber they are shooting.


For me, the leather wrist alternative accentuates my leather cartridge belt carrier.

Mike

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
My technique is a little different than those described above. As in most cases, I look to field practicality in choosing all of my hunting techniques. I want the system that gives me the best possibility of surviving a DG encounter.

Most here practice reloading two rounds but seldom practice reloading one round. I do the reverse. most of my practice time is for a one round reload and as a secondary practice I work on two round reloads. Why?

Because I feel that the third shot can be the critical shot for survival over a fourth shot. I make an immediate reload of one round after almost all first shots, except I do use an immediate second shot after a first shot that misses an elephant brain shot and the elephant isn't knocked down and turns to run off. Even in this case I might not take that second shot if another elephant in the herd is threatening to charge. My technique is to hold a spare cartridge in my left hand (I'm right handed), I don't carry it there all the time but put it there when making the final approach. I tried doing it with two but found two uncomfortable to carry, compared to one. Also loading two is no where near as sure or as quick as loading one. Under pressure it is much easier to drop or fumble the reload when trying to reload two versus reloading one. I prefer one for sure to a maybe two. If I have time, after loading the single round I will then pluck a round from my culling belt to load the left barrel. Having that third round in your hand as you break the action and eject the fired cartridge or cartridges puts it as close as possible to the chambers for a seamless and speedy reload.

465H&H

Great tactic, not just for DG, but potentionally for all game. Mike

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Will:

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Try holding two offset cartridges with your left hand and after you open the rifle, guide it into the right barrel and the left barrel will automatically follow into the left barrel.

That sounds like a good idea.

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Try it, You'll like it.

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Originally posted by 470drshooter:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Will:

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Try holding two offset cartridges with your left hand and after you open the rifle, guide it into the right barrel and the left barrel will automatically follow into the left barrel.

That sounds like a good idea.

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Try it, You'll like it.

You missed the joke! in red above, Left BARREL will follow into the left BARREL.

Here is something for all of you to think about. The standard for testing the reliability of feeding in a bolt rifle is one hundred chamberings from the magazine while cycling the action as fast as possible. Even one failure to feed is unacceptable according to bolt gun advocates.

Should we demand less from a double rifle? Try doing 50 quick reloads under pressure of two cartridges in your double. Fifty reloads would equate to 100 in a bolt gun. Count the number of times you drop a round or fumble the reload.
Now try it loading one round instead of two.

I did this and found that I fumbled the two shot reload from two to five times per fifty tries. Loading one round, I had one fumble for 100 tries. As I said above, I prefer one for sure to a maybe two. Let us know how you do!

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Here is something for all of you to think about. The standard for testing the reliability of feeding in a bolt rifle is one hundred chamberings from the magazine while cycling the action as fast as possible. Even one failure to feed is unacceptable according to bolt gun advocates.

Should we demand less from a double rifle? Try doing 50 quick reloads under pressure of two cartridges in your double. Fifty reloads would equate to 100 in a bolt gun. Count the number of times you drop a round or fumble the reload.
Now try it loading one round instead of two.

I did this and found that I fumbled the two shot reload from two to five times per fifty tries. Loading one round, I had one fumble for 100 tries. As I said above, I prefer one for sure to a maybe two. Let us know how you do!

465H&H

The above quote is absolutely true from begining to end. However the best method is to use what works most for you. The course Roscoe mentioned above, was a changeing position thing wher you had to re-load on the move:

http://www.doublerifleshooters...t_Shooting_Range.jpg

The one above shows the lay out with a wildebeast far back, and a little closer to him on his right is a warthog. Then three buffalo targets.

On the left of all this is a pair of impala.

The first shot was taken off the sticks at the Willie, then off hand at the warthog. At this point you moved while reloading to your left to shoot both impala, but you had to change positions for each impala because they were about 10 feet apart, with bush between them and you had to move to get a clear shooting lane.


http://www.doublerifleshooters..._Buffalo_Targets.jpg

At this point in the shooting you have fired four shots loading any way you choose. Now you move to your right to a point that is about ten or twelve yds from the farthest buffalo target. Here you fire on the farthest buffalo then the next closer, then on the front one to simulate a charging buffalo. The first two shots can be any place you want to hit him, but the last one had to be hit in the brain or you are dead in the water.

Now stop and think you are traveling from shooting position to shooting position, and you will fire 7 shots. On at one of those re-loads you will have to load one cartridge, my question is at what point do you think it is to your advantage to load only one while all this is being timed?

I fired the first two re-loaded two while moveing to the impala shot. fired those two re-loaded two while moving to the buffalo, fired on the farthest buffalo, broke and re-loaded one for the last two shots on the buffalo. Worked like a charm.

On all the re-loads I normally reload two similtaniously whether rushed or not, and I can't remember fumbleing any in the process after practicing the process to get it down pat some years ago.

I tried all the things the books said do, and found that most didn't work well for me. The system I use today, and have used for some years if two rounds on the back of my trigger hand, and the picture at the bottom of my posts is the way I pluck them from my BACK OF THE HAND holder,for shots three and four. For five and six, today I have a two cartridge belt slip holder from AFRICASE that I keep just in front of my left hip. They're spaced apart just right for the spacing of the chambers of my 470NE double. They work OK but I never go to the belt till I have no other choice! For me the beld holder is for my ammo supply, not to reload from in a crisis, till my main re-load suply runs dry.

I started practicing the PHC method in my 470 non-ejector:

On final approach
Load Rifle Both barrels
Hold 1 round between index and middle finger of left hand.
Hold 2nd round between middle and ring finger
fire rounds 1 & 2
as soon as 2nd round is fired start compound movement:
a)trigger hand drops stock from shoulder
b)trigger hand thumb opens action
c)left hand releases forearm
gravity takes over (if your rifle is smooth) and opens the action (if not give a little flick and it will)
left hand moves to action while action is opening
use left fingernail/tips to remove empties
as you ar pulling the empties, start lining up the fresh rounds with the barrels
as empties hit the ground, load fresh rounds from between your fingers by pushing them smoothly into the action
your left hand is now moving towards the forearm where it will grasp the forearm
use both hands to close action
remount and fire roundes 3 and 4


I practice this at home with 4 snap caps
While you are piddling around the house carry the empties around in your left hand, you will be amazed at how fast you forget about them.

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Originally posted by Ganyana:
In an ideal world when you own a woodward you flick the latch, tilt the barrels slightly upwards as the empties drop out and you slip the next two in...

Here is Mike70560 (I believe he is an AR member) with his 470 K-gun (if I remember correctly he had another vid up, that is gone now but in that one he does it even smoothier)...if (1) those empties drop as suppose to (note a simple drop of the stock/rise of the barrels) and if (2) you slip the fresh pair in without a hiccup life is good:



And here is a guy shooting .500NE with a tilting move:

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Here is something for all of you to think about. The standard for testing the reliability of feeding in a bolt rifle is one hundred chamberings from the magazine while cycling the action as fast as possible. Even one failure to feed is unacceptable according to bolt gun advocates.

Should we demand less from a double rifle? Try doing 50 quick reloads under pressure of two cartridges in your double. Fifty reloads would equate to 100 in a bolt gun. Count the number of times you drop a round or fumble the reload.
Now try it loading one round instead of two.

I did this and found that I fumbled the two shot reload from two to five times per fifty tries. Loading one round, I had one fumble for 100 tries. As I said above, I prefer one for sure to a maybe two. Let us know how you do!

465H&H

Takeing shortcuts again are we. Them bolt guys know how to check a gun out. Their guns are not good enough unless they feed upside down!!! I just ordered the upside down anti gravity boots, and made a bank loan so I can get then 50 dummy rounds, and a fifty round safari belt. I hope my belly don't bounce on my chin, and I have to figure out how to keep the boys out of the action when I close it, but I bet I can make it work.

I will be able to reload after getting tossed, and get two more in him before landing,I will be ready!

Video to follow. I need some super glue to keep my hat on,anybody got extra.


JD