What if a hunter does cancel due to the virus?

09 March 2020, 19:59

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
I have to agree with Saeed. If the hunter cancels, it is the hunters issue.

People need to stop buying the media hype, especially in the US. COVID-19 has less than a 3% death rate and it's almost always the elderly or medically compromised.

"Nations are closing borders, stocks are plummeting and a New York Times headline reads: “The Coronavirus Has Put the World’s Economy in Survival Mode.” Both political parties have realized the crisis could severely impact the November elections — House, Senate, presidency. And sacré bleu, they’ve even shuttered the Louvre! Some of these reactions are understand*able, much of it pure hysteria. Meanwhile, the spread of the virus continues to slow. More than 18,000 Americans have died from this season’s generic flu so far, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 2018, the CDC estimated, there were 80,000 flu deaths. That’s against 19 coronavirus deaths so far, from about 470 cases."

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09 March 2020, 20:48

DLS

This was shared online by a relative who is an MD and head of the ICU at Ohio State University Medical Center.

https://slate.com/technology/2...3Shj-nHppzAKFwtdD5CE

In essence, this is being way overblown and healthy people have little to worry about.

09 March 2020, 22:18

Bwana338

quote:
Originally posted by DLS:
This was shared online by a relative who is an MD and head of the ICU at Ohio State University Medical Center.

https://slate.com/technology/2...3Shj-nHppzAKFwtdD5CE

In essence, this is being way overblown and healthy people have little to worry about.

Thank you for sharing...Some of the same information that my wife has been passing on to me from the American Nurse Association.

And Ohio does have some great departments.

09 March 2020, 22:21

Bwana338

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
You won’t catch me dead on a cruise ship!

Being stuck on a floating coffin with 7000 soles is not my idea of fun.

Gee Saeed, I am starting to like you more every day. I thinking my comments to my wife were close to what you put in print.

On the other hand we have friends who think that the large cruise ships are the way to go. All that they can talk about is the food.

09 March 2020, 22:22

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by bwanamrm:
Great Andrew... hunted with 3 other guys in the Karamojo North concession of Uganda Wildlife Safaris. We shot 12 buffalo on that trip. I shot a Nile Buffalo, Cape Buffalo and a very nice old scrum cap! Also took Guenther's Dik Dik and a huge bodied Uganda warthog, weighed at 100 kilos even! Spent a few days in Aswa Lolim then I headed back. Rest of the guys are on to the Kafu River Basin. I've "been there, done that" so I just got home after a couple of weeks.

Sounds proper. Look forward to a report.

09 March 2020, 22:34

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Bwana338:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
You won’t catch me dead on a cruise ship!

Being stuck on a floating coffin with 7000 soles is not my idea of fun.

Gee Saeed, I am starting to like you more every day. I thinking my comments to my wife were close to what you put in print.

On the other hand we have friends who think that the large cruise ships are the way to go. All that they can talk about is the food.

I have a friend who only goes on holiday on cruise ships!!

He goes on cruises in the Far East.

09 March 2020, 23:06

Hutty

Here is some excellent up to date from The Johns Hopkins School of Public Health

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/

Here is an up to date map of cases

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/op...40299423467b48e9ecf6

10 March 2020, 01:22

Victor Watson

quote:
Originally posted by bwanamrm:
Just got back from a couple of weeks hunting Uganda. Flew Qatar through Doha - route IAH-DOH-ENT. No issues other than about of a third of people in the Hammad Airport were wearing masks. Like Ebola, (which when the outbreak was on I flew to safari in Cameroon) your chance of contracting COVID-19 are slight. Certainly chances are next to nil if you stay at home, but that is always the case in life.

Go on safari. If all airports close and the world ends and you can't get there certainly you are due a refund. If not, don't let the media and the widespread panic scare you away from a good time.

A safari and a cruise are two very different trips, you will be in a concession with few people and have a greater chance of contracting malaria than COVID-19. In a month or so this will blow over, don't postpone your life based on fear...

Spoken like a man. Everywhere (especially in Africa but pretty much everywhere) the perception of risk from afar is so much greater than the risk itself on the ground.

10 March 2020, 02:06

crane

DLS- Thanks for that. Thought accurate reporting was extinct.

10 March 2020, 22:20

Jaglav

In DFW on the way to Uganda. Really don’t care about Corona Virus. Between Corona, Ebola and locusts I figure they all cancel one another out. Looking forward to hunting with an old Army buddy. Karamoja bound!

11 March 2020, 00:00

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Jaglav:
In DFW on the way to Uganda. Really don’t care about Corona Virus. Between Corona, Ebola and locusts I figure they all cancel one another out. Looking forward to hunting with an old Army buddy. Karamoja bound!

Good luck.

I hope you have a fantastic time.

11 March 2020, 00:30

SkiBumplus3

Guess I have to speak up for the 99% who have a job and need that job to pay bills....

Taking the time off for the hunt has been has been planned. Paying for the hunt has been factored into the budget.
Spending 14 days in quarantine has not and would be a killer to business and finances.

I don't want to return from a wonderful adventure and spend two weeks at an Army base in TX.

I expect my PH to be accepting of my decision to cancel if I chose not to take the risk of a 10 day hunt turning into a 24 hunt.

Ski+3
Whitefish, MT

11 March 2020, 00:41

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
Guess I have to speak up for the 99% who have a job and need that job to pay bills....

Taking the time off for the hunt has been has been planned. Paying for the hunt has been factored into the budget.
Spending 14 days in quarantine has not and would be a killer to business and finances.

I don't want to return from a wonderful adventure and spend two weeks at an Army base in TX.

I expect my PH to be accepting of my decision to cancel if I chose not to take the risk of a 10 day hunt turning into a 24 hunt.

Ski+3
Whitefish, MT

You are of course at liberty to cancel.

But I think it is not fair at all to expect the ph to bear the cost.

Depends on what agreement you have with him.

11 March 2020, 00:51

Opus1

I just flew through Doha. Flights were full, and the airport was busy as typical for Doha. More folks with surgical masks than usual, but that's about it.

Seems most folks aren't buying into the hysteria.

11 March 2020, 01:19

bwanamrm

quote:
locusts I figure they all cancel one another out.

Yep... all that BS about locusts eating up everything in east Africa was just that... BS! Didn't see any plague level insects except tetse flies in Dik Dik country!

On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died.

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch...
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
- Rudyard Kipling

Life grows grim without senseless indulgence.

11 March 2020, 01:49

Beretta682E

Everyone in my Papau New Guinea offshore trip vote unanimously to postpone the trip as did the organizer of the trip.

End of day you really don’t want to be an American flying thru Australia or Singapore or Manila to Port Moresby. If anything happens quarantine wise neither Australia nor Singapore or Philippines is going to let an America transit thru country and you are stuck in Port Moresby till US govt decides to get you out.

Not worth the hassle and few Singapore based guys were prohibited by the employers from going on non essential trips.

Outfitter providing letters that trip is cancelled so trip insurance pays for tickets ect. There is a out for pandemics in most travel insurance docs.

There is what the cdc is saying

https://www.businessinsider.co...ies-stay-home-2020-3

Mike

11 March 2020, 17:40

Bwana Bunduki

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
Guess I have to speak up for the 99% who have a job and need that job to pay bills....

Taking the time off for the hunt has been has been planned. Paying for the hunt has been factored into the budget.
Spending 14 days in quarantine has not and would be a killer to business and finances.

I don't want to return from a wonderful adventure and spend two weeks at an Army base in TX.

I expect my PH to be accepting of my decision to cancel if I chose not to take the risk of a 10 day hunt turning into a 24 hunt.

Ski+3
Whitefish, MT

You are of course at liberty to cancel.

But I think it is not fair at all to expect the ph to bear the cost.

Depends on what agreement you have with him.

The cost of the trip is one thing.

Time out of the office is another.

Doubling the time out would be a real problem.

If I chose to cancel a hunt, that would be on me. The PH has likely held this spot for me forever and has no time or chance to resell.

So we would make a plan for me to compensate.

Jeff

11 March 2020, 19:00

SkiBumplus3

Totally agree. I hope my PH is willing to use my deposit for a hunt next year before my airline "voucher" expires. If not, he can keep my deposit and I will find another outfitter for next year.

We don't fly until April 17th. Hoping the dust will be settling.

Ski+3
Whitefish, MT

11 March 2020, 19:12

bob-mt

quote:
Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
Totally agree. I hope my PH is willing to use my deposit for a hunt next year before my airline "voucher" expires. If not, he can keep my deposit and I will find another outfitter for next year.

We don't fly until April 17th. Hoping the dust will be settling.

Ski+3
Whitefish, MT

not really fair to the ph.....how does he rebook a hunt on such short notice?.......bob

12 March 2020, 00:26

Beretta682E

Israel

India

Both banned tourism and basically entry into the country. Other countries likely will follow.

Real risk is airlines simply stop flying because of covid or because load factors get so low it makes no economic sense to fly thin routes.

Mike

12 March 2020, 01:07

surefire7

The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the coronavirus a world wide pandemic about an hour ago. How does this affect airlines, refunds for tickets, etc.?

12 March 2020, 01:18

Saeed

So that is 11 years since the last pandemic?

I think the last one declared was 2009.

12 March 2020, 02:19

Beretta682E

All the places German’s are not welcome. Can be American in a heart beat as Covid rates go up.

https://www.thelocal.de/202003...ering-some-countries

Includes Uganda.

The problem with this Covid is growth is exponential. It’s decline will be too.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/op...40299423467b48e9ecf6

Going away for 2 weeks hunting or fishing and the picture could be very different.

Getting back home may be a completely different path than getting to the hunting destination.

Mike

12 March 2020, 02:57

CanadianLefty

See expert's stark warning about future of the virus: https://www.cnn.com/videos/pol...t-fauci-lead-vpx.cnn

12 March 2020, 04:22

AilsaWheels

quote:

The problem with this Covid is growth is exponential. It’s decline will be too.

Mike

The key is the middle. Trying our best to keep it from spiking, which will overwhelm the medical community as happened in Wuhan and is happening in Lombardy.

Smoothing out the curve will require society as a whole to self segregate as much as possible over the next few months. It will be interesting to see how that works.

Hopefully summer will be our friend and burn the virus down some and allow us a respite prior to fall in the northern hemisphere. The fall/winter of 2020 has the potential to be very bad if the medical community can't find some solutions soon.

12 March 2020, 05:04

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
quote:

The problem with this Covid is growth is exponential. It’s decline will be too.

Mike

The key is the middle. Trying our best to keep it from spiking, which will overwhelm the medical community as happened in Wuhan and is happening in Lombardy.

Smoothing out the curve will require society as a whole to self segregate as much as possible over the next few months. It will be interesting to see how that works.

Hopefully summer will be our friend and burn the virus down some and allow us a respite prior to fall in the northern hemisphere. The fall/winter of 2020 has the potential to be very bad if the medical community can't find some solutions soon.

This is what scares me

https://www.google.com/amp/s/a...emergency/index.html

It’s getting to the safari I am terrified off.

Planes and airports are scary places to be in a pandemic.

Mike

12 March 2020, 05:27

BaxterB

quote:
Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
quote:

The problem with this Covid is growth is exponential. It’s decline will be too.

Mike

The key is the middle. Trying our best to keep it from spiking, which will overwhelm the medical community as happened in Wuhan and is happening in Lombardy.

Smoothing out the curve will require society as a whole to self segregate as much as possible over the next few months. It will be interesting to see how that works.

Hopefully summer will be our friend and burn the virus down some and allow us a respite prior to fall in the northern hemisphere. The fall/winter of 2020 has the potential to be very bad if the medical community can't find some solutions soon.

People are already self-segregating, big time. My workmates are working from home (I already do), Seattle is quiet and traffic is light, so say my friends there on the ground. The run on hand goop and cleaners should be a positive ( if a bit neurotic) indicator that people ARE taking it seriously.

See here:

12 March 2020, 05:38

AilsaWheels

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
quote:
Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
quote:

The problem with this Covid is growth is exponential. It’s decline will be too.

Mike

The key is the middle. Trying our best to keep it from spiking, which will overwhelm the medical community as happened in Wuhan and is happening in Lombardy.

Smoothing out the curve will require society as a whole to self segregate as much as possible over the next few months. It will be interesting to see how that works.

Hopefully summer will be our friend and burn the virus down some and allow us a respite prior to fall in the northern hemisphere. The fall/winter of 2020 has the potential to be very bad if the medical community can't find some solutions soon.

This is what scares me

https://www.google.com/amp/s/a...emergency/index.html

It’s getting to the safari I am terrified off.

Planes and airports are scary places to be in a pandemic.

Mike

Understand completely. I am supposed to do Houston/Istanbul/Maputo next month. I have a feeling the decision will be made for me before I have to make a decision.

Watching OKC Thunder vs Utah Jazz right now. Evidently Rudy Gobert is sick. Both teams warmed up and were sent back to the locker rooms. Refs left the court. Waiting on league to determine if game will go on or not.

Wonder if NBA will play games without fans in the next couple of weeks. Wonder if Thunder will refund the balance of the season tickets. All kinds of financial ramifications will keep bouncing through the economy until everybody gets the vaccine shot. The next year and a half will be interesting.

12 March 2020, 05:44

AilsaWheels

quote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
quote:
Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
quote:

The problem with this Covid is growth is exponential. It’s decline will be too.

Mike

The key is the middle. Trying our best to keep it from spiking, which will overwhelm the medical community as happened in Wuhan and is happening in Lombardy.

Smoothing out the curve will require society as a whole to self segregate as much as possible over the next few months. It will be interesting to see how that works.

Hopefully summer will be our friend and burn the virus down some and allow us a respite prior to fall in the northern hemisphere. The fall/winter of 2020 has the potential to be very bad if the medical community can't find some solutions soon.

People are already self-segregating, big time. My workmates are working from home (I already do), Seattle is quiet and traffic is light, so say my friends there on the ground. The run on hand goop and cleaners should be a positive ( if a bit neurotic) indicator that people ARE taking it seriously.

See here:

Thats great for many of us that have the ability to work without being around others. The problem is for those that work in industries where you have to be around people. Unfortunately most people in the world can't go a couple weeks or a month without working and receiving a pay check.

Regarding my last post, the PA announcer just said the Thunder/Jazz game was postponed and sent everybody home.

12 March 2020, 06:15

Beretta682E

Can’t fly out of and into Europe.

Hunting and safaris now seem a distant luxury.

Mike

12 March 2020, 06:35

AilsaWheels

Evidently Rudy Gobert has tested positive for Covid 19.

The NBA has suspended the season until further notice after tonight's games.

12 March 2020, 07:36

BaxterB

Tom hanks and his wife too. In Australia.

Said they had cold symptoms and chills. Can’t imagine any other time than now they would have been tested for anything, just self-treated.

12 March 2020, 10:25

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Can’t fly out of and into Europe.

Hunting and safaris now seem a distant luxury.

Mike

Those booked on Emirates through DUBAI should be fine.

12 March 2020, 11:43

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Can’t fly out of and into Europe.

Hunting and safaris now seem a distant luxury.

Mike

Those booked on Emirates through DUBAI should be fine.

The problem is when the CDC/us government and even uae govt says practice social distancing - basically staying away from people and crowds and less physical contact - long haul flights are then antithesis of social distancing.

I would only get on a long haul flight today if I have to go see family in a emergency.

Mike

12 March 2020, 11:48

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Can’t fly out of and into Europe.

Hunting and safaris now seem a distant luxury.

Mike

Those booked on Emirates through DUBAI should be fine.

The problem is when the CDC/us government and even uae govt says practice social distancing - basically staying away from people and crowds and less physical contact - long haul flights are then antithesis of social distancing.

I would only get on a long haul flight today if I have to go see family in a emergency.

Mike

Travel First Class.

Have your own room

12 March 2020, 12:20

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Can’t fly out of and into Europe.

Hunting and safaris now seem a distant luxury.

Mike

Those booked on Emirates through DUBAI should be fine.

The problem is when the CDC/us government and even uae govt says practice social distancing - basically staying away from people and crowds and less physical contact - long haul flights are then antithesis of social distancing.

I would only get on a long haul flight today if I have to go see family in a emergency.

Mike

Travel First Class.

Have your own room

I tired getting in the Saeed family frequent flyer plan but Emirates turned me down

Mike

12 March 2020, 22:48

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Can’t fly out of and into Europe.

Hunting and safaris now seem a distant luxury .

Mike

A little dramatic don't you think Mike?

You can still fly through the UK and there are plenty of options to avoid the EU getting to most safari destinations. And let's be honest, this will pass rather quickly once the media finds it's next hyperbolic crisis to pursue.

A distant luxury. Laughable.

12 March 2020, 23:00

Opus1

The latest Ebola outbreak is still ongoing in the the DRC (Congo).

12 March 2020, 23:41

Big Wonderful Wyoming

White Sands Missile Range cancelled their annual Bataan Death March off-road marathon yesterday.

I have a feeling we are going to be strangled a bit on activities until this thing passes.

Glad the kids and wife are healthy. I need to talk to my father today about staying home. He is pretty active with his church.

He is 80.

13 March 2020, 01:41

MARK H. YOUNG

Guys,

I have to agree with Todd. My personal arrangements are made and Sadie and I are going on safari in October. I'd bet this situation will be quite different by then when people see that their neighbors are not dropping like flies. Mike your glass isn't half empty or half full. It's just EMPTY! I booked two hunts today. Not everyone is buying the hysteria.

Mark