AR reputation

02 March 2014, 03:10

TerryR

AR reputation

On several of my hunts I have urged various PHs, both mine and those I have shared camps or hotels with, to get involved with the AR forum. Usually I get polite silence. When I do get a response it is along the lines of;" No way, there are too many loose cannons there waiting to start slinging mud over things they generally don't know. It isn't worth having my reputation hurt by people who have never hunted with me and don't even know me."
I think we may want to take a good look at how we comport ourselves here.

02 March 2014, 04:07

Larry Sellers

Terry - I think that is the opinion of "Most" professional outfitters/PH's out there. We have a lot of good ones on AR, but just let one "tiny,little" thing go wrong and they to will be thrown under the bus by lots of folks here. I applaud the ones who do post here, but don't blame the ones who don't for one minute.

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02 March 2014, 04:58

CharlesL

I have heard similar. I won't repeat exactly what was said.

This was from an outfitter that does participate on other forums.

02 March 2014, 05:05

georgeld

Thats too bad as this is the finest board I've ever found. Just about every subject or game plan is covered here by folks that participate and are willing to help others anyway they can.

George

02 March 2014, 05:19

Labman

[quote]Thats too bad as this is the finest board I've ever found. Just about every subject or game plan is covered here by folks that participate and are willing to help others anyway they can.[/quote

That's been my experience as well. I've booked two trips to Africa that I saw on the Outfitters hunt forum and both were great hunts.

02 March 2014, 05:40

Wendell Reich

AR is the ultimate double edged sword. One brave enough to wield it must be prepared to be cut by it as well.

02 March 2014, 05:51

Jason P

Great site, one of my favorite.

However, I don't blame the PH one bit!

02 March 2014, 06:10

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
AR is the ultimate double edged sword. One brave enough to wield it must be prepared to be cut by it as well.

Thank you Wendell.

Would our members rather we run the site in the same manner as most hunting and shooting sites on the Internet?

Where if you do not agree with certain individuals, or policies, your posts are deleted, and ultimately you are banned?

Or would you rather we continue to have an open forum?

What is that old saying?

"With freedom comes responsibility"!

We do have heated discussions - HEALTHY heated discussions. And I hold absolutely no grudge against those I disagree with.

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

As I have done, on many occasions in the past.

02 March 2014, 06:24

georgeld

Saeed:
Is that drink sharing limited to "your house? LOL.

Many a time I have a hard time understanding how you can put up with the bullshit that's slung your way. Though at times I see what I feel is baiting on your part too.

Please leave it open as it is now. You do have much more tolerance than I do with some of these guys.

Some yrs ago there was a talk show on our local tv stations: "The Joe Pine Show". He bad mouthed his sponsors terribly, and the station too. Sure thing, in just a very few months his show was eliminated.

Am going to send you a pm in a few, am having some questions on the vid stick.

Thank you and for one I very much appreciate this forum and your generosity.
George

02 March 2014, 06:34

dogcat

I think most who post here are normal and rational. There are the odd ducks and the hysterical types. Overall, this is far better than any of the other sites I have been on.

As Saeed said, with freedom comes responsibility. I prefer the lack of advertising and the direct type of communication that goes on here.

There are a bunch of operators and PH's that post here. The bad ones stay away for good reason.

Overall, I would not worry about reputation. You cannot control what others think and I believe the good far outweighs the bad goes on here.

An example is ARbay - try cheating someone there and see what happens! Ask a few that have been scorched by the self policing that goes on here. It works better than Ebay.

02 March 2014, 06:37

Frostbit

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

Beware of your words!! Bait Babe and I haven't booked our air route for 2015 yet.

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02 March 2014, 06:59

Use Enough Gun

Keep it as is, Saeed.

02 March 2014, 07:02

ZombieKiller

quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

Beware of your words!! Bait Babe and I haven't booked our air route for 2015 yet.

Bait Babe or whatever you call her is anyhting but attractive. In fact she looks like a man perhaps she is a lesbian but she is ugly to a hetero man. I guess you are a small man with small self esteem who puts his ugly wife on display looking for accceptance. Your "Bait Babe" is anything but a babe.

Your yearning for acceptance on an internet forum is pathetic.

02 March 2014, 07:08

Frostbit

Anybody hear a mosquito?

02 March 2014, 07:09

Sean Russell

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
AR is the ultimate double edged sword. One brave enough to wield it must be prepared to be cut by it as well.

Thank you Wendell.

Would our members rather we run the site in the same manner as most hunting and shooting sites on the Internet?

Where if you do not agree with certain individuals, or policies, your posts are deleted, and ultimately you are banned?

Or would you rather we continue to have an open forum?

What is that old saying?

"With freedom comes responsibility"!

We do have heated discussions - HEALTHY heated discussions. And I hold absolutely no grudge against those I disagree with.

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

As I have done, on many occasions in the past.

Saeed

as for me---Dont change a thing---this is like sitting around a campfire where everyone can give an opinion and and can get slapped down---

Your insistence on openness is very refreshing

Thanks again

SSR

02 March 2014, 07:09

larryshores

quote:
Originally posted by ZombieKiller:
quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

Beware of your words!! Bait Babe and I haven't booked our air route for 2015 yet.

Bait Babe or whatever you call her is anyhting but attractive. In fact she looks like a man perhaps she is a lesbian but she is ugly to a hetero man. I guess you are a small man with small self esteem who puts his ugly wife on display looking for accceptance. Your "Bait Babe" is anything but a babe.

Your yearning for acceptance on an internet forum is pathetic.

Lot of class there ZK, a lot of class.

02 March 2014, 07:10

ZombieKiller

quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
Anybody hear a mosquito?

Your wife is ugly.

Stop trying to pimp her. She looks like a dyke.

02 March 2014, 07:12

Gatogordo

quote:
Originally posted by ZombieKiller:
quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

Beware of your words!! Bait Babe and I haven't booked our air route for 2015 yet.

Bait Babe or whatever you call her is anyhting but attractive. In fact she looks like a man perhaps she is a lesbian but she is ugly to a hetero man. I guess you are a small man with small self esteem who puts his ugly wife on display looking for accceptance. Your "Bait Babe" is anything but a babe.

Your yearning for acceptance on an internet forum is pathetic.

WHOA! Unless this is some private joke that I don't understand, this is waaay over the line. Saying something like that about someone's wife or girl friend in Texas would not be taken kindly.

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02 March 2014, 07:15

little miss

quote:
Originally posted by ZombieKiller:
quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
Anybody hear a mosquito?

Your wife is ugly.

Stop trying to pimp her. She looks like a dyke.

Oh, my feelings are so hurt.

02 March 2014, 07:16

Dog Man

Saeed,
Ban Zombie Killer now!!

02 March 2014, 07:17

ZombieKiller

quote:
Originally posted by Gatogordo:
quote:
Originally posted by ZombieKiller:
quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

In fact, I will be happy to share a drink, or a meal, here at my house with anyone from AR.

Beware of your words!! Bait Babe and I haven't booked our air route for 2015 yet.

Bait Babe or whatever you call her is anyhting but attractive. In fact she looks like a man perhaps she is a lesbian but she is ugly to a hetero man. I guess you are a small man with small self esteem who puts his ugly wife on display looking for accceptance. Your "Bait Babe" is anything but a babe.

Your yearning for acceptance on an internet forum is pathetic.

WHOA! Unless this is some private joke that I don't understand, this is waaay over the line. Saying something like that about someone's wife or girl friend in Texas would not be taken kindly.

Ugly women are not taken lightly in Nebraska. This nasty Bait Babe couldn't gat laid at closing time in the worst bar in Lincoln. Yecchh!

02 March 2014, 07:26

MJines

Saeed, I think AR is a wonderful forum and well run. Kudos to you for encouraging and allowing open and honest debate. I enjoy and appreciate the banter as well as the information to be gained.

I would just change one thing, I would shit can ZombieKiller. Flushing that turd down the toilet would be just what he deserves. What a reprehensible excuse for a human being. Attacking a women, particularly one bravely facing a major challenge in life, is just about as despicable an act as I have ever heard of . . . uncalled for, unjustified and uncouth.

02 March 2014, 07:28

larryshores

02 March 2014, 07:39

ZombieKiller

Bait Babe is anything but good looking. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry you never got to date the good looking girls, I'm married to a trophy unlike you!!!!

02 March 2014, 07:40

larryshores

Looks like someone deleted a post. What kind of asshole attacks a woman suffering with a life threatening disease?

02 March 2014, 07:40

Sean Russell

If he's a Zombiekiller then he is obviously a suicide candidate--

02 March 2014, 07:48

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Saeed, I think AR is a wonderful forum and well run. Kudos to you for encouraging and allowing open and honest debate. I enjoy and appreciate the banter as well as the information to be gained.

I would just change one thing, I would shit can ZombieKiller. Flushing that turd down the toilet would be just what he deserves. What a reprehensible excuse for a human being. Attacking a women, particularly one bravely facing a major challenge in life, is just about as despicable an act as I have ever heard of . . . uncalled for, unjustified and uncouth.

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02 March 2014, 07:54

N E 450 No2

Well I can say that over the years I have personally met several AR members.

I have shot, hunted, and broke bread with several of them.

Many of them have become lifelong friends.

02 March 2014, 08:08

cal pappas

Zombiekiller:
You have to be the lowest piece of shit on the planet. There are only a few personalities on AR I disagree with and 1 or 2 I dislike completely. You take the cake. The following is for you and I understand why your website-forum failed. FOAD.
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02 March 2014, 08:15

Saeed

I must have missed that deleted post.

But, if it involves ZK, there is no surprise there at all.

Remember a while back, he came here to advertise their brand new web site, and asking our members to join them.

I wishes them the best of luck.

His answer was that AR is on its death bed - that is why they started their website, to give you all some place to recover on when AR is dead.

Funny thing is, apparently theirs has gone the way the dodo did.

Apparently all due to - if you don't agree with us, you are banned policy.

Nope.

AR has always been an open forum, and that is the way it is going to remain.

02 March 2014, 08:15

N E 450 No2

I will also say that in Texas, it is very bad form to critize a mans pickup truck, his dog, his gun and his wife...

I did a little search here on AR and saw some pictures of Bait Babe, and she looks pretty "shiny" to me.

Which in Texas is a compliment.

I can also say that my wife of 30+ years had been my best hunting buddy. She has been on many backpack hunts, many hunts in bad,rainy below zero hunts, living in a tent, for as many as 21 days at a time, where every day was below zero.

The only "bad hunt" WE ever had was our last trip to Zim, a 35 day hunt where we were in country for 49 days.
After this trip I swore I would never take her back to Africa again...

SHE shot more stuff than I did, and a bigger cape buff as well, with a Double Rifle of course...

02 March 2014, 08:35

pagosawingnut

Saeed,
Please don't change a thing. I constantly am looking, and learning on this forum. And I use the "Ignore" function. It is a feature I use rather sparingly but I don't have to see the BS that some of the ones that never learned manners, post.
It's a great site

02 March 2014, 08:58

cal pappas

Saeed:
You and I agree on lots of things, I'm sure. Except, of course, Mark Sullivan. And, when I do a bit of research and make further posts I'm sure you and I will go at it good. That said, you are to be commended for allowing an open forum even when folks disagree with you. While I would have no problem if you banned ZK due to his rude posts I would wonder where to draw the line. Is Shootaway next due to his posts? They are not to the level ZK has shrunk to but are inflammatory to many good members here. No, keep it the way it is and those who make the choice can press the ignore button. I never have as even the Richard Craniums of the world have a place: God put ZK and Shootaway on this earth to show good people the definition of "asshole."
AR is the best forum to be found.
And, as to your dinner invitation--I will let you know the date Mark, Shawn, and I will be in your neighborhood.
Cheers, mate.
Cal

02 March 2014, 09:00

Michael Robinson

So-called ZombieKiller, but truly-called anonymous internet coward - you are scum, and that constitutes an insult to scum.

Saeed, please do not change a single thing.

Rest of the world, post or not, entirely up to you. But best to have, or grow, a pair, if you decide to post.

02 March 2014, 09:08

Bwana338

Saeed

The forum is going fine...

If you were to some how shortchange the ZK he would resurface under another name. It is hard to restrain an unlearned person.

02 March 2014, 09:57

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Saeed:
You and I agree on lots of things, I'm sure. Except, of course, Mark Sullivan. And, when I do a bit of research and make further posts I'm sure you and I will go at it good. That said, you are to be commended for allowing an open forum even when folks disagree with you. While I would have no problem if you banned ZK due to his rude posts I would wonder where to draw the line. Is Shootaway next due to his posts? They are not to the level ZK has shrunk to but are inflammatory to many good members here. No, keep it the way it is and those who make the choice can press the ignore button. I never have as even the Richard Craniums of the world have a place: God put ZK and Shootaway on this earth to show good people the definition of "asshole."
AR is the best forum to be found.
And, as to your dinner invitation--I will let you know the date Mark, Shawn, and I will be in your neighborhood.
Cheers, mate.
Cal

I look forward to it Cal.

You are all welcome, and I will make sure there plenty of steak on the BBQ!

My favourite meal!

02 March 2014, 10:15

Todd Williams

Damn poor taste ZK. Damn poor!

02 March 2014, 10:47

crbutler

Overall, AR is a lot like a bar. There are a few unmitigated A-H's but you just ignore them, unless you want to go to their level, and then you annoy the rest of the normal folks just like they do...

I have mentioned this place to a few PH's and outfitters. Most actually say something along the lines of "I live this life all the time, why would I want to spend more of what little time I have at home doing that?" But they also seem to be aware of discussions around here, so I expect more than a few lurk.

I also can see why some outfitters and PH's don't want to deal with the trial by internet around here. This place does get a little clique-y at times.

That being said, I never have put anyone on ignore; given where I work, if utter nonsense drove me to distraction I would be certifiable by now. I can ignore stuff pretty well without the ignore function.

I think Saeed's policy is the best one.

02 March 2014, 11:04

Bockhunter

quote:
Saeed, I think AR is a wonderful forum and well run. Kudos to you for encouraging and allowing open and honest debate. I enjoy and appreciate the banter as well as the information to be gained.

Correct.
Thank you Saeed.

02 March 2014, 12:02

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by ZombieKiller:
Bait Babe is anything but good looking. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry you never got to date the good looking girls, I'm married to a trophy unlike you!!!!

Sniffing glue is really bad for you didn't you know?