Hunters vs World! Is it really coming to this??

24 July 2014, 02:07

Macs B

There have been a lot of good comments in this thread, and more than a few naive comments. A businessman like Aaron is faced with a simple question concerning social media. Join or fail.
In this day and age you can not do business without capitalizing on social media. This doesn't necessarily apply to all facets of business, yet. Given time it will. These organized witch hunts on FB are going to have to be addressed. The mob rule mentality is dangerous when it can prevent you from reaching literaly billions of potential clients.

24 July 2014, 03:11

AnotherAZWriter

quote:
Originally posted by Macs B:
There have been a lot of good comments in this thread, and more than a few naive comments. A businessman like Aaron is faced with a simple question concerning social media. Join or fail.
In this day and age you can not do business without capitalizing on social media. This doesn't necessarily apply to all facets of business, yet. Given time it will. These organized witch hunts on FB are going to have to be addressed. The mob rule mentality is dangerous when it can prevent you from reaching literaly billions of potential clients.

Really? How many here have booked any hunts because of a booking agents FB page? Anyone out there??

Any serious business person has their own web page.

But hey, my FB stock sure jumped after hours today...

24 July 2014, 04:37

Macs B

According to Facebooks MAR 14 Earning report:

Facebook says it now has 1.11 billion people using the site each month..665 million active users at any time of any given day of the month...297 million active (paid service) business client pages...

So your contention is that since no one on AR is a fan, the other 1.11 Billion with a "B" users who visit Facebook daily aren't worth a business' consideration to reach out and develope new customers. I think 297+ million businesses currently paying facebook for the space might disagree.

space

Ever think that maybe its just people from Arizona that don't use facebook?

24 July 2014, 19:25

Matt Graham

quote:
Originally posted by Macs B:
There have been a lot of good comments in this thread, and more than a few naive comments. A businessman like Aaron is faced with a simple question concerning social media. Join or fail.
In this day and age you can not do business without capitalizing on social media. This doesn't necessarily apply to all facets of business, yet. Given time it will. These organized witch hunts on FB are going to have to be addressed. The mob rule mentality is dangerous when it can prevent you from reaching literaly billions of potential clients.

Potentially thousands of dud Facebook enquiries to deal with?? No thanks....

25 July 2014, 07:01

JBrown

quote:
Originally posted by Macs B:
According to Facebooks MAR 14 Earning report:

Facebook says it now has 1.11 billion people using the site each month..665 million active users at any time of any given day of the month...297 million active (paid service) business client pages...

So your contention is that since no one on AR is a fan, the other 1.11 Billion with a "B" users who visit Facebook daily aren't worth a business' consideration to reach out and develope new customers. I think 297+ million businesses currently paying facebook for the space might disagree.

Ever think that maybe its just people from Arizona that don't use facebook?

Outfitter/Booking agent is FAR more specialized than the average business that is selling an inexpensive product.

No one in their right mind believes that FB is selling many hunts or bringing in many viewers to TV shows. It is simply a tool to reach out to fans.

FB may be a tool but it is not the #1 tool of anyone in the hunting industry. If FB were as powerful as you say SCI would sure be feeling the bite as there would not be many people spending $5,000+ for a table at their show

Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
_______________________

Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown

25 July 2014, 07:24

JTEX

I have never been on facebook and I book quite a few hunts!

Screw 'em.

.

25 July 2014, 07:31

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by JBrown:
quote:
Originally posted by Macs B:
According to Facebooks MAR 14 Earning report:

Facebook says it now has 1.11 billion people using the site each month..665 million active users at any time of any given day of the month...297 million active (paid service) business client pages...

So your contention is that since no one on AR is a fan, the other 1.11 Billion with a "B" users who visit Facebook daily aren't worth a business' consideration to reach out and develope new customers. I think 297+ million businesses currently paying facebook for the space might disagree.

Ever think that maybe its just people from Arizona that don't use facebook?

Outfitter/Booking agent is FAR more specialized than the average business that is selling an inexpensive product.

No one in their right mind believes that FB is selling many hunts or bringing in many viewers to TV shows. It is simply a tool to reach out to fans.

FB may be a tool but it is not the #1 tool of anyone in the hunting industry. If FB were as powerful as you say SCI would sure be feeling the bite as there would not be many people spending $5,000+ for a table at their show

Dang Jason, I agree with you AGAIN… what is this world coming to.

Steve

25 July 2014, 18:19

HCC

Aaron Neilson is a convicted POACHER why do you listen to him? http://www.scribd.com/doc/231847281/Poacher

25 July 2014, 19:14

MJines

HCC,

Let me commend you for your courage and forthrightness. Nothing says I am an upfront person that acts with integrity like calling someone out using initials, a nom de plume, an acroynm, other, and withholding your contact details. I guess that is why in our judicial system the accused has the right to confront his accusers. If you are comfortable with your position and your views, why not just man (or woman) up and stand behind those views by disclosing your name and affiliation?

25 July 2014, 20:53

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
Aaron Neilson is a convicted POACHER why do you listen to him? http://www.scribd.com/doc/231847281/Poacher

Shit and there I was thinking he is was Methamphetamine drug lord. You learn something everyday.

26 July 2014, 03:26

larryshores

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
Aaron Neilson is a convicted POACHER why do you listen to him? http://www.scribd.com/doc/231847281/Poacher

The conclusion that Aaron is a convicted poacher from the documents posted is a massive overstatement. The ruling was a denial of an appeal for reinstatement of a license.

26 July 2014, 03:52

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
Aaron Neilson is a convicted POACHER why do you listen to him? http://www.scribd.com/doc/231847281/Poacher

The conclusion that Aaron is a convicted poacher from the documents posted is a massive overstatement. The ruling was a denial of an appeal for reinstatement of a license.

Larry - I have fought this battle for 19 yrs, for an honest mistake made by myself/client when I was 23 yrs old. Those who know me, and have hunted with me, know my commitment to abiding by the law, and my commitment to conservation. Those who don't, feel free to bring it up with me in person, I am always available!!

26 July 2014, 04:44

pagosawingnut

Great response Aaron.
At the very least, the other poster, HCC who is a new member, should at least have the guts to post his real name.

26 July 2014, 05:10

HCC

You pleaded guilty to it. If you are innocent you don't plead guilty.

26 July 2014, 05:14

HCC

Why should I put my name here? It doesn't matter who I am, there are plenty of others using initials or aliases
fairgame
pagosawingnut
JTEX
AnotherAZWriter
All real names?

26 July 2014, 05:24

pagosawingnut

HCC
You're right, you shouldn't post your name. Judging from your first SIX posts, you're another one to add to ignore.

26 July 2014, 05:28

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
Aaron Neilson is a convicted POACHER why do you listen to him? http://www.scribd.com/doc/231847281/Poacher

The conclusion that Aaron is a convicted poacher from the documents posted is a massive overstatement. The ruling was a denial of an appeal for reinstatement of a license.

Larry - I have fought this battle for 19 yrs, for an honest mistake made by myself/client when I was 23 yrs old. Those who know me, and have hunted with me, know my commitment to abiding by the law, and my commitment to conservation. Those who don't, feel free to bring it up with me in person, I am always available!!

HCC,
And anyone who cares to listen to your BS.

I have personally known Aaron Neilson for several years. I have dealt with him in many aspects of the hunting world and in other professional activities.

He has always been one of the most forthright, straight-forward, up-front, and honest persons that I have ever known.

I count him as a personal friend and will happily stand beside him in defense of this BS.

You are a coward!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J. Lane Easter, DVM

A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House

No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991.

26 July 2014, 05:43

HCC

You are saying this is BS then?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/231847281/Poacher

23, Pled guilty to 2 counts of obtaining a signature by deception.
24, Pled guilty to forgery.
25, Pled guilty to unlawful hunting.

On the plus side $1,500 was given to Operation Game Thief
Weather you know someone or not a poacher is a poacher.

26 July 2014, 05:48

ledvm

I am saying that I know him as a man, have looked him in the eye, have broken bread with him, am proud to call him a friend.

26 July 2014, 05:50

HCC

Whilst sharing bread did he tell you about his conviction?

26 July 2014, 05:57

MJines

Anonymous posters and anonymous cowards are two very different things. You are obviously either ashamed, embarrassed or afraid to share your name. That is fine, just do not try to portray yourself as anything other than what you are. Aaron does not run from who he is and what he stands for, neither should you.

26 July 2014, 06:19

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
Whilst sharing bread did he tell you about his conviction?

No...but I am sure he would enjoy discussing the matter with you personally.

26 July 2014, 06:31

Crazyhorseconsulting

quote:
Why should I put my name here? It doesn't matter who I am, there are plenty of others using initials or aliasesfairgamepagosawingnutJTEXAnotherAZWriterAll real names?

My name is Randall W. Weems, my screen name is Crazyhorse, and even though Aaron and I have had our differences on this site, I believe he is more of a man than you are.

26 July 2014, 06:36

larryshores

Totally off the subject of bashing Aaron but potentially entertaining .

A hunter started receiving threatening calls from some whack job woman who was very anti-hunting. Wished the hunter and his family all slow painful deaths. She called often not bothering to hide her phone number. This hunter has posted the woman's name and phone number on Facebook. Hunters have been asked to give her a call.

26 July 2014, 06:52

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
You pleaded guilty to it. If you are innocent you don't plead guilty.

You must be kidding me!

The whole legal system is slanted towards people pleading guilty - even if they were not - so as to avoid a lengthy trial and put a feather in some idiot beaurocrat's hat!

And from the link you have posted, that is precisely what I would deduce!

26 July 2014, 07:50

Navaluk

I read the attached documents. It looks like HCC isn't lying. Whether he has some ax to grind I don't know. I don't care either.

Saeed, the system does promote pleading guilty to small crimes or infractions like speeding, but the document indicates he plead guilty to charges unlike speeding. These were charges likely to damage his business interests so I don't see pleading because it's a hassle to fight it. I think you would find few if any people would plead to those charges just because it's expensive or a hassle to fight them. Then of course I wonder if he plead down to these from worse charges, which is very common in the US.

26 July 2014, 07:57

MJines

The document speaks for itself. Let each person draw their own conclusions, particularly those that have never made a mistake themselves. But the manner in which this was raised, with someone feeling the need to throw a turd on the table while hiding behind the anonymity afforded them by the internet, was quite simply chicken shit . . . in my view.

26 July 2014, 07:59

Crazyhorseconsulting

And people honestly believe 100K or 200K, "Hunters" can set aside personal differences and form a United Front against the anti's.

26 July 2014, 19:20

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
And people honestly believe 100K or 200K, "Hunters" can set aside personal differences and form a United Front against the anti's.

Sadly, I think Randall's point is on the mark. To the point of using screen names of something other than you real name. I personally don't believe there is really anything wrong with using one, but for those using your real name, I believe you tend to be a bit more polite and less apt to engage in nitpicking.

I chose to change my screen name to my "real" name about a year ago. I must honestly say, I have been more polite, which has allowed for more civil and deeper conversing with other members.

Perhaps if other did the same, that might be but a small step in the right direction.

Regards,

Steve Ahrenberg

27 July 2014, 01:38

HCC

If I have or haven't a personal gripe with Aaron is not the issue here, he broke the law.
The defense is he was only young it was minor offense.
He only plead guilty to make things easy. The US legal service is corrupt
Yet you will sit behind your keyboard saying how bad the African is for setting a snare so he can take a buck to feed his family. I am not talking Elephant or Rhino poaching here that's a different story.

As for not using my real name, I have my reasons, but as I said I'm not the only 1 and if that makes me a coward then I'm not the only 1 on here am I? What's wrong someone hiding behind an alias or someone who breaks the law?

27 July 2014, 03:14

Lhook7

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
If I have or haven't a personal gripe with Aaron is not the issue here, he broke the law.
The defense is he was only young it was minor offense.
He only plead guilty to make things easy. The US legal service is corrupt
Yet you will sit behind your keyboard saying how bad the African is for setting a snare so he can take a buck to feed his family. I am not talking Elephant or Rhino poaching here that's a different story.

As for not using my real name, I have my reasons, but as I said I'm not the only 1 and if that makes me a coward then I'm not the only 1 on here am I? What's wrong someone hiding behind an alias or someone who breaks the law?

Here is a quote from Aaron. Is this you Stuart?

3. Stuart Mauney - The guy making these accusations here hunted with us in roughly 2004 as I recall. He was booked by Garth Carter, who warned me before-hand about Stu, I should have taken his advice! I have honestly never experienced a person who is so rude, unruly, obnoxious, and un-realistic, ever. He was rude to the guides, to the poor/unfortunate client from NY who was paired with him on the 2x1 muzzleloader hunt, the people in the restaurant, the hotel, etc. He left his hunt early, filed a complaint with the Colorado Licensing board - making numerous false claims. All of us sent in rebuttal letters, INCLUDING THE HUNTER FROM NEW YORK WHO WAS PAIRED WITH HIM, DISPUTING ALL OF HIS SLANDEROUS CLAIMS. After getting all of the letters, the licensing board sent me notice that the complaint was dropped for lack of collaborating evidence. In other words - Stuart was not truthful in his account of his hunt. Folks, some hunters simply don't understand that when hunting wild/free-ranging game, you are only buying an opportunity - not an animal. Regardless, I'm not sure anyone could keep Stuart Mauney happy. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE MEMBERS OF "THE HUNTING REPORT", SIMPLY DO A SEARCH OF REPORTS SUBMITTED BY STUART MAUNEY. You will see that complaining about hunts is his normal game. I seriously do not think he can be made happy on a hunt.

27 July 2014, 03:32

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
If I have or haven't a personal gripe with Aaron is not the issue here, he broke the law.
The defense is he was only young it was minor offense.
He only plead guilty to make things easy. The US legal service is corrupt
Yet you will sit behind your keyboard saying how bad the African is for setting a snare so he can take a buck to feed his family. I am not talking Elephant or Rhino poaching here that's a different story.

As for not using my real name, I have my reasons, but as I said I'm not the only 1 and if that makes me a coward then I'm not the only 1 on here am I? What's wrong someone hiding behind an alias or someone who breaks the law?

I know you. You are that Sillymot Herfucker.

27 July 2014, 04:14

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
If I have or haven't a personal gripe with Aaron is not the issue here, he broke the law.
The defense is he was only young it was minor offense.
He only plead guilty to make things easy. The US legal service is corrupt
Yet you will sit behind your keyboard saying how bad the African is for setting a snare so he can take a buck to feed his family. I am not talking Elephant or Rhino poaching here that's a different story.

As for not using my real name, I have my reasons, but as I said I'm not the only 1 and if that makes me a coward then I'm not the only 1 on here am I? What's wrong someone hiding behind an alias or someone who breaks the law?

HCC...

I know Aaron. He is a good fellow.

I don't know you but just because how you have done things...I know you are not.

Let it lie sir move on (whatever you need to move on from???). I made equal mistakes in life (if not worse) when I was the age Aaron was when whatever happened went down.

If you do have issue with him...just talk with him...he is actually quite approachable. But don't go down this route any more.

27 July 2014, 04:44

pagosawingnut

Excellent advice!

27 July 2014, 07:06

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by HCC:
If I have or haven't a personal gripe with Aaron is not the issue here, he broke the law.
The defense is he was only young it was minor offense.
He only plead guilty to make things easy. The US legal service is corrupt
Yet you will sit behind your keyboard saying how bad the African is for setting a snare so he can take a buck to feed his family. I am not talking Elephant or Rhino poaching here that's a different story.

As for not using my real name, I have my reasons, but as I said I'm not the only 1 and if that makes me a coward then I'm not the only 1 on here am I? What's wrong someone hiding behind an alias or someone who breaks the law?

I bet that every single one of us has broken one law or another in almost any given week we live!!

Our society has been filled with an extraordinary amount of so many silly laws that we cannot carry on our normal lives without breaking one!

Especially in the US.

30 July 2014, 01:49

dfm

In regards to FB itself - I'm neither female or gay, consequently, it has no bearing whatsoever on or in my life.

30 July 2014, 02:14

Crazyhorseconsulting

quote:
I bet that every single one of us has broken one law or another in almost any given week we live!!

Our society has been filled with an extraordinary amount of so many silly laws that we cannot carry on our normal lives without breaking one!

Especially in the US.

That is about as accurate as it gets.

02 August 2014, 07:00

DLS

I've decided that I have had enough of the Anti's crap. So, today Russ Broom posts a picture of a fantastic lion that Keith Atcheson shot with him two days ago in Makuti. Some woman comes on and says it is a shame. So I engaged in a spirited dialogue with her in an effort to rebut her negative comment

Two can play the comment game. They don't seem to like it so much when it is thrown back in their faces.

02 August 2014, 07:06

DLS

quote:
Originally posted by MJines:
The document speaks for itself. Let each person draw their own conclusions, particularly those that have never made a mistake themselves. But the manner in which this was raised, with someone feeling the need to throw a turd on the table while hiding behind the anonymity afforded them by the internet, was quite simply chicken shit . . . in my view.

AMEN to that!