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If you had a rifle battery in the classic african rifle cartridges as listed below,what would be your ideal all up weight and barrel length for each rig?

6.5x54 MS
7x57 Mauser
9.3x62
.375H&H
.416 Rigby or .404
.470 double
 
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If you had a rifle battery in the classic african rifle cartridges as listed below,what would be your ideal all up weight and barrel length for each rig?

6.5x54 MS
7x57 Mauser
9.3x62
.375H&H
.416 Rigby



7#, 7#, 8#, 9#, and 10.5#.

The first two are sweethearts to play around with and the 9.3 is light enough on recoil depending on the stock design. The last two, gotta have some weight to soak up recoil.


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If you had a rifle battery in the classic african rifle cartridges as listed below,what would be your ideal all up weight and barrel length for each rig?

6.5x54 MS
7x57 Mauser
9.3x62
.375H&H
.416 Rigby


6.5x54 MS 7 lbs in carbine form.

7x57 (275 Rigby HV) 7.5 pounds with Bolt Peep

9.3x62 8.5 pounds

.375 H&H in a Mauser only at 9 pounds

.416 Rigby. Never was a classic African Rifle Cartridge. The .404 Jeffery was the Classic 40 caliber and should weigh in at 9 pounds with open sights.
 
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Personally, I think that a lot of stuff that is deemed to be "classic" --which is a much over-used term -- really isn't all that "classic", or is at best obsolecent.

I'd leave the 6.5 and the 9.3 at home, or better yet, I wouldn't own them to begin with.

But for the others:

7X57, 22" bbl, total weight w/scope, 7.5 lbs.

375 H&H, 24" bbl, total weight w/scope 9.5 lbs.

416 Rigby, 24" bbl, total weight w/scope 10 lbs.

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Well...

I would leave the 375hh at home...better yet I wouldn't own it cause the 9,3 can do anything it can with less recoil...and if i am uncomfortable shottin sumptin with a 9,3 then i better have a 416

I would go 7x57 at 7 lbs total, 9,3 at 8 lbs total, and 416 at 10.5 total


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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If you had a rifle battery in the classic african rifle cartridges as listed below,what would be your ideal all up weight and barrel length for each rig?

6.5x54 MS
7x57 Mauser
9.3x62
.375H&H
.416 Rigby


If I was building these rifles today the first three would be built on a Brno ZKK 600 action. The second two would be built on a Brno ZKK 602 action. They would all be the earlier Brno's with the flip up peep sight built into the rear receiver ring. IMO, these are the best Mauser actions ever made for the money. Granted, you can pay more today for magnum actions, but I am convinced they will be no better in quality. Another feature they have is the goved receivers for mounting scopes, thus eliminating the need for bases and one more thing to work loose. They would all have single stage triggers honed to perfection. The first three rifles would let off at 3 pounds, the last tow at 4 pounds. They would all sport Lothar Walther 24 inch barrels, rear express sights with one standing and two folding, barrel band swivels, and Holland & Holland barrel band front sight with flip over dusk ivory bead. The stocks would be selected for their tight straight grain and the finished would be hand rubbed oil. The rear sling swivel would be the type used on the Winchester Mod. 70 Super Grade. There would be two traditional recoil lugs in each rifle and the action would be glass bedded. All rifles would have a Limb Saver recoil pad. The first four would sport Tallay QD Rings and European Scopes (Swar., S&B. Zeiss or Kahles) and all metal would be rust blued.

6.5x54 MS with scope 7.5 to 8 poounds

7x57 with scope 7.5 to 8 pounds

9.3x62 with scope 8 to 8.5 pounds

375 H&H with scope 9.5 to 9.75 pounds

416 Rigby No scope, 10 pounds


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7x75 @ 7.5 with scope
375 H&H @ 8.5 with scope
470 Nitro SxS @ 10.5

How can it be a "classic" battery for Africa without a big double?


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Yes indeed Bill, I forgot Red Face addition made.
 
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