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Seems to me about the same. You could get it on a hunting trip. It could be fatal. Yet we all went hunting and hoped for the best. Why is COVID that different? Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | ||
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From a general perspective, Malaria kills 800,000 to a million a year.... every year. CV-19 is the new guy so there is much still to learn. From a tourist perspective, one can avoid Malaria areas or simply take an effective, and time proven prophylactic to help protect you. However, almost anyone can be a carrier of CV-19, so avoiding it is pretty difficult if you are out and about. Further, there is no current vaccine or prophylactic to help protect you. If you're in the CV-19 risk group, you stand a far better chance of having serious complications (including death) from CV-19 vs Malaria. So, yes, CV-19 can pose a far greater danger for tourists than Malaria. At the end of the day, everyone must assess their risk and conduct themselves accordingly. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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There are protections against Malaria. No protection that I know against the Chink Virus! | |||
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Plus 1 for Saeed, ONe can live with Malaria, even in the bush, not so with covid, no treatment as yet..flip a coin, you live or die, end of story... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Death rates from covid-19 here in the USA. https://www.statista.com/stati...h-rates-us-by-state/ Most of my money I spent on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted | |||
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It isn't. If you are under 65 it is no more deadly than influenza and you don't see people cowering at home every flu season. For my age with no underlying conditions the infection fatality rate is approximately 0.0092%. So it is more like you flip 10,000 coins before you get a bad case that causes death. | |||
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Completely correct Sir! | |||
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One quick glance at sci shows little difference between sci and aarp convention. The African hunting crowd is 55 plus. Covid impacts Africa hunting far more than says spear fishing or mountain climbing. Besides malaria never shut down air travel or international travel. Waiting for a vaccine and hoping for 2021 travel. Mike | |||
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Waiting for opening and I’m over 55 We probably have better chance to get killed hunting buffs and jumbos then die from Gook virus " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I am not sure about that: Do you have any underlying medical conditions. Many Covid patients are learning that they have some conditions that they did not know about. 1. Cancer or are being treated for cancer 2. Kidney disease 3. COPD 4. Obesity being over weight, very few on here hit the new weight chart used 5. Heart condition - like coronary artery disease 6. Diabetes 7. Asthma 8. Liver Disease 9. Smoking 10. Older Adults over 55 11. Mental Disorder... Gee most could be there, fretting on not getting to Africa, like right now. 8 of 10 deaths in the USA have been adults 65 years old and older. You miss the big group, however not by much and you are still in the elevated age bracket. I am sure that I have missed some identifiers. However, the more boxes you check the greater your chances of having complications. Just read a few of the 20's somethings who are not doing well and thought they were bullet proof from the virus. And you how old and think your bullet proof from the virus. I would rather be in the USA for treatment if I become a covid patient than in some African country. Hunting can take place another year, or do you only have a few months to live and going to Africa is on your bucket list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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+1 The USMC is 25 years old and great shape. Run covid thru USMC is like running the flu thru it. Running covid thru sci membership list or ar members would be akin to a death march. Mike | |||
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I am 70 and as soon as I can, I will be heading to Tanzania. One only lives once, and dies once. If I got scared of a few things in the past, my life would not have been as much fun as it has! | |||
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Ain't gonna happen. | |||
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These are the 2 main ones responsible for a quick departure. | |||
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If travel were to straighten out and quarantines go away with no potential for return...I would go this fall. My biggest fear is being trapped in some sort of quarantine or travel ban. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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And getting stuck is a real possibility as areas are opening and closing based on the whims of the governments. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Exactly the reason I likely won’t go for a while...until the hysteria is quelled a bit and sanity (as best it occurs in the 21st century) returns. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am 66 and pretty healthy. Treated hypertension is all. My risk is a little increased, sure, but with my age and the clock ticking what is the risk of waiting? Failing health and not being able to do a physical hunt. The risk of waiting is not getting back to a place that had become an important part of my life. Next year is pretty full with all the cancelled hunts, and 22 is not far behind. Add to that the unknowables, like how many operators will not survive this thing. | |||
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I always took the advice of others to "Go while you can-physically and financially" over the years. Glad that I did the 15 Safaris prior to COVID. It seems that with each Safari there was some reason that could have kept me from going-work, family, milestones, etc. But, I choose to go and now at least I have all of those memories. Life is too short to make it full of regrets rather than good positive experiences and memories. | |||
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2011 in Mozambique, my PH came down with Malaria while guiding my safari. Absolutely kicked his ass: gut-wrenching vomiting, and he was flat on his back for 3 days. 85-95+% of Covid cases range between "no medical attention needed" and "I didn't even know I had anything." So I'll take the Covid and a side of antibodies. I'm not in the 'high risk' group. And knowing what I know about the media, my guess is I might as well cancel safari travel because 'there might be lightning in October.' | |||
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I had a number of PHs over the years that told me that they would occasionally come down with what they described as "the flu" for a number of days. My guess was that it was a Malaria spell. Anything that is called the flu in Africa is likely a Malaria attack. | |||
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I don't think I'm obese, but I might be too short for my weight. kh | |||
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I have had Malaria, Lyme and COVID. For me Lyme was by far the worst and most debilitating. Pest borne disease can be easily avoided - don’t go into malarial areas, or the woods. Covid - you have to avoid others of the human species. We will learn to live with and manage Covid, but until we do ir will hugely impact human kind either economically or by a very high death rate. | |||
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Ummm has anyone ever said you're unlucky?  ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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The thing about COVID-19 that is so different and worrisome is its randomness. Some people get it and die, and others test positive and don’t even know they have it. And none of us can know how it will affect him or those he loves. All thanks to the bat-eating Chinese and their communist government. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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You may not be but there are 16 mil. Cancer survivors 34 mil. Diabetics 30 mil. Heart diseases patients 48 mil. Americans older than 65 I have not added all the other high risk groups and there is for sure over lap in the above group. Still god awful lot of people in the at risk category. Nothing travel wise will open up with at risk group this big. Getting to and form African may be very difficult endeavor till there is a vaccine. Mike | |||
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I haven't subscribed to any of the "rescue" insurance programs, other than when my father went with me to Africa in 2008. I bought a trip term policy for him. I gambled on myself being 31, but he was 66 and in relatively bad health. He has been in healthcare facilities since January 25, but home now, yet confined to a hospital bed. I am glad we went then. We did go to Argentina a few times since. My question, though, is whether Global Rescue, RipCord, etc. are even offering policies or honoring pre-existing policies now. I am sure they all have certain clauses against pandemics, but maybe not. Has anyone asked? Any international travel ban would trump the contract, but have members/policy holders been notified of such? I doubt they are writing policies now. In the same vein, what about when things went to hell in western Africa? I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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This is what bothers, concerns and baffles me the most. One of my sons tested positive. He felt bad (chills and achy) for one day, went for a test and stayed home. Test was positive, but by the time he found that out he was already feeling fine. He's working from home with, apparently, no other symptoms. However, if I went over to his house and caught the Wuhan Flu I could just flat out die because I'm over 65 and maybe maybe a touch overweight. I know the odds are very low. I get that. But the uncertainty is still there. All things considered, I choose malaria. kh | |||
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I have a friend that contracted malaria when in Nam. Periodically he gets a recurring bout but it doesn't last long. I have a customer who got covide about 2 months ago but got over it. He said it's the worst he's ever felt. There were no periods of relief over the 2 week period. I know everyone handles sickness differently but that should tell you something right there. Never mistake motion for action. | |||
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