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Karl, to be clear, I don’t presume to know what you would have been invited to do or would or would not have done had there been a shootable buff at that water hole. What other hunters do or don’t do in the field is fine with me as long as it’s legal and does not reflect poorly on hunting and hunters generally. Beyond that, we are responsible only to ourselves. Please accept my sincere apologies if I have offended you in any way. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Mike, no offense taken, nothing you’ve said is offensive to me. I wouldn’t shoot one at a waterhole either, but I’ll gladly track one that has been at a water hole! Karl Evans | |||
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My first Buffalo hunt was in Chete, with Lou Hallamore, in mid October. Went for a drive the day of arrival “just to see what we could see”, of course we drove into a big herd of Buffalo in which Lou spotted a very big bull. I figured this would be a piece of cake but we didn’t find that herd again. I did get my Buffalo on day 6, lots of hard, hot walking but Chete is still one of my favorite areas. There were others in camp that didn’t get their Buffalo for various reasons (missed several times, too hungover to hunt, would rather fish for tiger fish etc.). Karl Evans | |||
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One year I hu Ted both Matetsi, last year for Roy, and Chete. Ended up shooting, I think, 76 animals in total in 21 days. I think I shot more buffalo that year than impalas! | |||
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I would take a single dagga boy at a waterhole. But have not. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Based on our wildlife hunting regulations it is permitted provided said waterhole is not a permanent source of water and at least 200m away from any permanent source (lake, river, spring, etc.) That said, it would be legal ... the option to shoot or not is a personal choice. I would let him drink his fill and walk away then bang him. | |||
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Be careful of your fear of pricing, that can be a double edge sword, Your going half way around the world, don' let a couple of thousand make your decision, if it goes bad your out a bunch of money and nothing too show for it..I was in the booking business for 40 years, now retired and Ive seen it all. I would have to recommend Tanzania as its the last of the real safari, no longer perfect but still the best and the best buffalo left, comfortable tented camps and most companies know how to treat their hunters..but no matter where you go their are those companies I wouldn't feed to my dog.. Keep in mind it takes X dollars to perform a safari and if it sounds to good to be true, you can bet your bottom dollar it is that.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Great advice, Ray. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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You might get an offer of $1,000 trophy fee for buffalo, paid in advance, non refundable! | |||
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Did Colin choose his destination? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Recommend Corris Ferreira Track-A-Hunt Safaris Gache Gache Area on Lake Kariba. Read "There is Something About Buffalo: by Kevin Thomas and "Africa's Most Dangerous" by Robertson | |||
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If your not interested in bringing the trophy home a Own Use hunt in the Caprivi now Zambezi region of Namibia is a good place. I paid $9000 last year for one. In 2018 I did a Elephant and Hippo Own Use for under $19000 for both. Member NRA, NFA,CSSA,DSC,SCI,AFGA | |||
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I don't know why you think CMS areas are substandard? Of course, if one gives up on a hunt halfway and is not able to walk much then one might think so. I was happy with my buffalo last year. Though, I did walk 15K by 10:30AM in the jess and we had to turn back. Kept at it every day though. Caught up to a huge herd a couple of days later. Well, worth the effort. And the Kudu which at 59 5/8" largest ever hunted in the area. Bottom line, one gets what one puts into a hunt. Show up out of shape and with RSA hunt expectations then one will not be successful. | |||
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I did. Both times in Zim. Both with outfits that advertised here, neither do now....but they where golden boys then..... One in the famed Zambezi valley and one in Chirisa Safari area. Zimbabwe taught me to hunt in South Africa...... KNP areas can be fantastic for big Buff, I've killed five on KNP areas and another five on game ranches.....two weren't great hunts...they where shoots, five where very demanding and challenging hunts. Take my opinion for what you paid for it. I hear a whole lot of people that have never hunted ranch buffalo make disparaging remarks, I have done them, good and bad. On a budget and wanting a good kudu? I'd recommend south africa.
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I’ve heard enough horror stories to believe it is possible to go on 2 buffalo hunts and not shoot one. Bad areas, wrong times, unusual weather, con men running a hunting camp. Even on my unsuccessful attempts on game, I’ve been able to see evidence that the game was around at times. Granted, my unsuccessful attempts were related to cats and incidental species (Serval and Civet have bested me for years…) Using a reputable agent and avoiding the cheapest options should help put the odds in your favor. One big thing to avoid are short hunts. More than once I have shot little for days at the beginning, and things turn around dramatically after a week or so. I get time can be tight, as can money, but beware of false economy. | |||
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Nothing is guaranteed in proper hunting. And going on short, cheap hunts lessens the chance of you getting what you want. Go with a reputable outfit. NEVER PAY TROPHY FEES IN ADVANCE! Only crooked outfitters demand this. Some outfitters have several areas, and they do offer cheaper rates on the areas that are not as good as the others. Watch out for this too. | |||
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In good buff areas, you should be on buff every day and be able to choose the trophy of your desire ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Maybe one day I’ll see such place… Sounds like you are talking about Kruger National Park | |||
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I will add what may be obvious but is often not even mentioned. A safari must hold your interest, day after day, and be an enjoyable experience. My problem with substandard or marginal areas is that they are uninteresting at best, and at worst, boring and unsatisfying. I have been fortunate to hunt buffalo in some of Africa's finest hunting grounds. That is why I have recommended Tanzania, upland areas of Mozambique and Zambia for a first buffalo hunt. Good luck! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Tanks advice is spot on. And it holds true whether one is hunting whitetail in South Texas or buffalo in Africa. Always remember that you will generally get out of a hunt what you put into a hunt. Go into the hunt with a positive can-do attitude, be prepared to roll with the punches and take the hunt (including travel hassles, camp issues, weather and the like) as it presents itself, remain focused on the objective, take in the totality of the experience (e.g., the people, the area, the culture, the flora and fauna) not just the hunt and don't give up until the last hour of the last day, and you will have a wonderful experience. Good luck to you. Mike | |||
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Tanzania probably has more buffalo than any other African state. Rest assured that the Selous Game Reserve is one destination where you will experience multiple sightings of buffalo every day and one would have to try really hard not getting one in the salt. There are AR members on this thread who will confirm the above. | |||
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Absolutely. On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Without any doubt. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Just booked my second buffalo hunt. This time, I'll be with two close friends at Nyakasanga with CMS for ten days. We're not going until August '24, but I'm already so excited I can barely sleep! | |||
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I did the same hunt in 2021. Highly recommended. | |||
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Add a tuskless, that area has plenty. I got mine the second day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TZlqtxVI00 | |||
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I want to be you when I grow up! May add a tuskless on your suggestion, though I think I'd rather have your kudu! | |||
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You can be in the best area in the world and it can go cold for a few days. I've seen it happen and experienced it unfortunately. Back in 2013 I can remember not seeing hardly anything at all for three days (I was shot out on buffalo by that point so we weren't following tracks). I'd love to go on a 28 day hunt just to hedge against that possibility, but can't afford to be away for that long, so I try to do 14-16 days, which pushes my limit to be away with travel time. | |||
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Luangwa Valley has healthy populations of Buffalo ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Not true. We ALMOST see buffalo every day when we hunted Zimbabwe and Tanzania. There is the odd day when we do see any, but on some of these days we’re looking for other animals! | |||
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Very interesting, you were present during my first buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe, at Sengwe 1. However I neither didn’t see you nor a single buffalo during our 7-day hunt. Not true - BS! | |||
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I am very sorry my friend. I have never hunted Sengwe. I have hunted Matetsi, Westwood and Chete in Zimbabwe. I normally shoot around a dozen buffalo on each safari, and I have always shot my quota. I think you might have mistaken me for someone else. | |||
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Hi Colin, Sorry just read through this thread (loosely) we (Mokore Safaris) will be in Dallas for the DSC convention #3647 and SCI #3245 if you are able to come see us, we can have a chat and discuss a few options -- and at the very least have a beer and possibly point you in the right direction, Cheers Doug If you are not thinking of attending these shows send me an email dougduckworth@mokore.com or WhatsAPP +263773947369 Doug Duckworth Professional Hunter Mokore Safaris @dougduckworthsafaris dougduckworth@mokore.com www.mokoresafarisafrica.com @dougduckworthsafaris.com | |||
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Colin, Really do your due diligence with ALL African Outfitters. You can not ask enough questions for a first time high dollar $1400 a day Buffalo hunt, even with outfitters who have a big name in Zimbabwe or else where who take large numbers of hunters in their concessions. Ask how much experience the guide has with first time Buffalo hunters. Feel him out, is he somebody you want to spend 10 days with? Is he upfront and honest or does he hide things from you and only sees you as a job and dollar signs? Will your guide just want to get the Buffalo hunt over and want you to shoot a Buffalo on the first night towards sunset on the first day of a 10 day hunt or will he want you to experience Africa and what Buffalo hunting really is? Is the guide competent enough to be able to communicate to make sure you are on the same page. Does he understand what your goals of the hunt are or does he see it as his hunt? Will you be allowed to hunt a Kudu in the same area your Buffalo is to be hunted or will the outfitter wait and tell you after you have traveled half way across the world that when you arrive they have no Kudu quota in your Buffalo hunting area and you can not shoot a trophy Kudu when it is spotted in your Buffalo hunting area. Do you want to travel on primitive dirt roads a total of 4 hours each day to hunt in a totally different hunting area to hunt Kudu from where you were originally booked and were told you would be hunting? Do you want a remote hunting experience or hunt in a area that has a lot of roads and vehicle traffic to where you have to watch for vehicles when crossing roads where the Buffalo you are tracking just crossed a road with this type of vehicle traffic? These are just some of the problems I encountered on my first $1400 a day Buffalo/African hunt. Not sure how you can find out everything by due diligence if the outfitter does not disclose all of the facts and the truth. I have been on 45 guided big game hunts including 5 mountain sheep hunts,I have enjoyed a lot of great hunts , spent a lot of money, had only three bad outfitted hunts, my first African trip is my worst outfitted experience considering how much money I was charged. My first African experience has somewhat soured me on future African hunts. Once you are in some remote African hunt area there is not much one can do but to play by the cards you are dealt . Once in their camp you are totally at the outfitters mercy. Not sure what would happen if you express your displeasure while in their remote concession. Sure wouldn’t want to spend time in a Harare jail...lol...My biggest mistake was not traveling with a satellite phone. Will never go to Africa again without a Sat phone. 4WD | |||
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Well, I'll second Humani in the Save. Plenty of buffalo. Kudu as well. I was never interested in buff and the first one I shot was for lion bait in the Save on Sango, next door to Humani. Shot one as an add on after I shot an ele the first morning on Humani (more to please my PH than anything else) and finally I shot one with my bow a couple of weeks ago, also on Humani. We made several stalks before I was able to put an arrow in mine. We saw 43 dugga boys in 36 hours, crawling on hands and knees amongst 8-10, a couple of groups of 10-12. If I was rifle hunting, could have been done in a couple-three days. Butch Coaton was my PH for all 4 hunts. There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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You are right in all your suggestions. But, how sad is this? My very first African safari. Had a break before my flight training, and decided on the spur of the moment, after reading Capstick's DEATH IN THE LONG GRASS. Walked into Klinebergers in Seattle, washing, and booked whatever was available on short notice. Never discussed anything apart from going to hunt. Bert sent me to Zimbabwe, a country I have not heard of before! The people I hunted with then turned out the best one could wish for. Found a lot in common with my PH. He was a pilot, a gunsmith, makes his own ammo, and an absolutely honest person to a fault. I have been hunting with them ever since. Crazy really, I have done everything wrong, and look what I got. But te above suggestions are facts of life today. Even ten, one cannot really be sure. But don't let us put you off. Let your own judgement decide. Go and have fun. | |||
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Read the most recent hunting reports where Outfitters will be mentioned and randomly select a number of them then ask on the forum for refernces. Don't put the cart before the horse by booking first then asking for opinions. | |||
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Africa is expensive, but your spending a bunch anyway you cut it..Your getting both goo and bad advise.. My experience and it worked for me an my clients is Tanzania for what your looking for, and you can get a 10 day buffalo hunt and option for Kudu or anything else. With your PH, all these things can be arranged thru negotiations..He and your booking agent can work that out for you, and they are the only ones that can answer your needs. Most clients booked a short PG hunt in RSA, then did a follow up hunt in a few years and most on the internet recommeded do PG before taking ona buffalo, why that is is beyond be, If I wanted a buffalo that would be my first priority, I don't see how shooting springbok can make you buffalo ready besides a buffalo is just some old cows calf raised on milk!! Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Colin, one other thing to keep in mind: Mozambique hunts in the "swampy" areas often turn out to be a spot-and-stalk on a floodplain. In my opinion, much more adventure is to be had in a tracking hunt. Not saying to avoid Mozambique at all, I would just make sure I'm hunting in a forest block. To this business about "failing" on a buffalo hunt, this is definitely a rarity & an embarrassment to the PH guiding the hunt. From talking with PHs, I believe the vast majority of failures on buffalo are from being in an area at the wrong time of year. Some I have heard about are definitely from being in a shit area. This is a good reason to consider booking through the PH who will be guiding the hunt. They put their reputation on the line when suggesting an area. And the PHs KNOW what areas to avoid. When I hunted Matetsi 3, PH Brent Hein told me that earlier in the year a hunter had failed there. In October, buff and ele were coming out of Hwange. I got 2 buff in 4 days (this was leftover quota on a tuskless hunt) and I could have taken MANY more if quota had been available. So when you're talking to a PH or operator, ask "what are the best time(s) to hunt your area(s) and why." And then confirm this when you call multiple recent references. | |||
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Try the Arda in the southern Save (Zim) . Loads of buffalo. Saw them daily (herds). Scrum bulls, +40" bulls. Took a 50" Kudu. More plains game in the northern Save. Buffalo in the Arda. I would go as far to say that if you cannot kill a nice buffalo in the Arda you might be plagued like Helen Keller. If I get back again I think i would kick back in the Sango. EZ | |||
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