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Zimbabwe: Govt Not Happy With Safari Operators - President

By Takunda Maodza



President Mugabe says the Government is unhappy with the state of affairs in private safaris and conservancies where owners who are largely of European origin make secret arrangements with visitors who kill wild animals without the knowledge and consent of the State.

What they pocket from the killings has also remained a mystery.

The country boasts of a number of conservancies from Matabeleland, Mashonaland West to the Lowveld in Masvingo Province.

Addressing delegates during a dinner to raise funds to capacitate the African Union Foundation during the just ended African Union Summit, the AU chairman dislodged the notion that all white farmers had been kicked out of farms to pave way for indigenous farmers, a lie constantly propagated by the Western media.

"This does not mean that every farmer lost his land, No. We still have quite a number of them. They still grow in the estates tea, coffee and plantations. They are there of course in the forests," said President Mugabe.


"They have what they call safaris and we do not know what is happening in the safaris because they make arrangements with visitors from outside to come and shoot this animal, that animal but the animal shot must be listed and approved by us. We do not know what payments that they are given. We therefore are unhappy about the safaris."

President Mugabe said the country has kept the forests where even Americans and Europeans are running safaris.

"We have kept the forests, quite a number of good forests with a lot of animals and it is in these forests that we have these safaris. The Americans are there although they have sanctions on us.

We have not said we do not want American people in our country. It does not pay for us to say we do not want them. What for? Individuals must not be made to suffer," he said.

President Mugabe said on the contrary, the Washington administration does not want any business with Zimbabwe.

"But with them (Americans), they say we would not have any business with you. We do not want you to visit our country. I have never said I want to be an American. So there it is," he said to applause from the delegates evidently enchanted by the veteran African statesman.



The AU chair said Africans by nature do not have such evil tendencies.

"We, the African people have not got the evil tendencies to dislike others, No." He implored the European community living in Africa to be human enough as exemplified by the indigenous people across the continent.

"Those who had taken land from our chiefs are saying pay for it yet they never paid for it. Those who were in such positions (commercial white farmers) must be generous and say come this is a business we can take some of you as partners but they want to keep to themselves all the time," said President Mugabe.

He added: "But still you see them clinging to themselves. If a school has white children in the majority, if African children go there, they leave that school and start another. Open up! Live like everybody else. Be human and humanitarian.


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I don't want that piece of fecal soiling to be an American either.


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Zimbabwe: Govt Not Happy With Safari Operators - President

By Takunda Maodza



President Mugabe says the Government is unhappy with the state of affairs in private safaris and conservancies where owners who are largely of European origin make secret arrangements with visitors who kill wild animals without the knowledge and consent of the State.

What they pocket from the killings has also remained a mystery.

The country boasts of a number of conservancies from Matabeleland, Mashonaland West to the Lowveld in Masvingo Province.

Addressing delegates during a dinner to raise funds to capacitate the African Union Foundation during the just ended African Union Summit, the AU chairman dislodged the notion that all white farmers had been kicked out of farms to pave way for indigenous farmers, a lie constantly propagated by the Western media.

"This does not mean that every farmer lost his land, No. We still have quite a number of them. They still grow in the estates tea, coffee and plantations. They are there of course in the forests," said President Mugabe.


"They have what they call safaris and we do not know what is happening in the safaris because they make arrangements with visitors from outside to come and shoot this animal, that animal but the animal shot must be listed and approved by us. We do not know what payments that they are given. We therefore are unhappy about the safaris."

President Mugabe said the country has kept the forests where even Americans and Europeans are running safaris.

"We have kept the forests, quite a number of good forests with a lot of animals and it is in these forests that we have these safaris. The Americans are there although they have sanctions on us.

We have not said we do not want American people in our country. It does not pay for us to say we do not want them. What for? Individuals must not be made to suffer," he said.

President Mugabe said on the contrary, the Washington administration does not want any business with Zimbabwe.

"But with them (Americans), they say we would not have any business with you. We do not want you to visit our country. I have never said I want to be an American. So there it is," he said to applause from the delegates evidently enchanted by the veteran African statesman.



The AU chair said Africans by nature do not have such evil tendencies.

"We, the African people have not got the evil tendencies to dislike others, No." He implored the European community living in Africa to be human enough as exemplified by the indigenous people across the continent.

"Those who had taken land from our chiefs are saying pay for it yet they never paid for it. Those who were in such positions (commercial white farmers) must be generous and say come this is a business we can take some of you as partners but they want to keep to themselves all the time," said President Mugabe.

He added: "But still you see them clinging to themselves. If a school has white children in the majority, if African children go there, they leave that school and start another. Open up! Live like everybody else. Be human and humanitarian.



What a bloody load of bullshit!

He was instrumental in ruining the safari industry in Zimbabwe.

I get reports from many of the government run areas, and so many of them lack even a small percentage of the animals they had originally.

Chete, one of my favorite areas, on which we have hunted for 5 consecutive years, seems to be just a run down place now.

So now he is blaming all those who have given the Zimbabwe safari industry an enviable name, after he had introduced his stupid "indigenization" into the industry??


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Simply amazing that this man continues to walk the planet.

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"They have what they call safaris and we do not know what is happening in the safaris because they make arrangements with visitors from outside to come and shoot this animal, that animal but the animal shot must be listed and approved by us. We do not know what payments that they are given. We therefore are unhappy about the safaris."

Wow, no trophies are eligible for export unless all government fees have been paid by the operator, correct? So, that is the "catch net" to make sure the "government" has been paid for any and all Zimbabwean resources purchased by foreign hunters? So, the "payments" he his fretting over is the difference in what the government charges the operator and the operator charges the client? Most places call that "gross profit" and it is what businesses use to pay their expenses. Take a good look folks, we (U.S.), will be there shortly. thumbdown
 
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Simply amazing that this man continues to walk the planet.

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President Mugabe said on the contrary, the Washington administration does not want any business with Zimbabwe.



Cant really argue with this statement, in light of the sport hunted ivory ban right now.


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What a retarted statement, sad thing is, all of AU and Africa in general think that way one way or the other.


" Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins.
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When is that despicable piece of garbage going to die!!!?


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Yeah and worse one comes along


" Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins.
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It is all just money, and politics . and more money for him.


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Addressing delegates during a dinner to raise funds to capacitate the African Union Foundation during the just ended African Union Summit, the AU chairman dislodged the notion that all white farmers had been kicked out of farms to pave way for indigenous farmers, a lie constantly propagated by the Western media.

"This does not mean that every farmer lost his land, No. We still have quite a number of them. They still grow in the estates tea, coffee and plantations. They are there of course in the forests," said President Mugabe.
 
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His life long in any circumstances anytime he chose the worse option. Voila his lack of basic intelligence.
Just reading his disconnected and unfocused stance, easy to point out that he has lost the few marbles he pretended to have.


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There is a way to end all this nonsense. Stop booking hunts in Zimbabwe. I was there twice and have no plans to return. Any hunt company operator who doesn't have his money off shore is a fool. They should all pack it in and let him try to impose his fees on the crumbs that are left.
 
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There is a way to end all this nonsense. Stop booking hunts in Zimbabwe. I was there twice and have no plans to return. Any hunt company operator who doesn't have his money off shore is a fool. They should all pack it in and let him try to impose his fees on the crumbs that are left.


I do not agree with you for one minute!

There are a lot of very hard working, honest people, whose only livelihood is hunting.

Supporting them is more important than boycotting Mugabe.


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Thank you Saeed.


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There is a way to end all this nonsense. Stop booking hunts in Zimbabwe. I was there twice and have no plans to return. Any hunt company operator who doesn't have his money off shore is a fool. They should all pack it in and let him try to impose his fees on the crumbs that are left.




I do not agree with you for one minute!

There are a lot of very hard working, honest people, whose only livelihood is hunting.

Supporting them is more important than boycotting Mugabe.


Amen. The only thing preventing the complete decimation of Zimbabwe's wildlife populations are the remaining handful of dedicated, hard working operators that continue to make a plan every day and survive under conditions that would cause most of us to simply give up.


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There is a way to end all this nonsense. Stop booking hunts in Zimbabwe. I was there twice and have no plans to return. Any hunt company operator who doesn't have his money off shore is a fool. They should all pack it in and let him try to impose his fees on the crumbs that are left.




I do not agree with you for one minute!

There are a lot of very hard working, honest people, whose only livelihood is hunting.

Supporting them is more important than boycotting Mugabe.


Amen. The only thing preventing the complete decimation of Zimbabwe's wildlife populations are the remaining handful of dedicated, hard working operators that continue to make a plan every day and survive under conditions that would cause most of us to simply give up.


+1

Only think saving what remains of Zim wildlife is the hunting industry.

Do we pay uncle bob a tax to hunt there - yes. But we also pay the house of saud a tax when we fill up.

I rather have Uncle Bob greedy hands in my pockets on a hunting trip than nothing remaining in Zim but rocks.

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+ another. Boycotting Zimbabwe only produces even worse results.
 
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given a choice; do you want a country ruled by obama or mugabe...

They are both so full of evil. Mugabe knows better, ask him the last time a Safari was conducted without at least one game scout there.
 
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Sorry Saeed, I can't agree with you. Yes, if we stop going, a lot of innocent people will get hurt. Problem is, a lot of innocent people are already being hurt. Zimbabwe is like an alcoholic. It has to hit bottom before any real change will occur. As for me, I will not spend another dollar there until they stop persecuting whites.
 
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There is a way to end all this nonsense. Stop booking hunts in Zimbabwe. I was there twice and have no plans to return. Any hunt company operator who doesn't have his money off shore is a fool. They should all pack it in and let him try to impose his fees on the crumbs that are left.




I do not agree with you for one minute!

There are a lot of very hard working, honest people, whose only livelihood is hunting.

Supporting them is more important than boycotting Mugabe.


Amen. The only thing preventing the complete decimation of Zimbabwe's wildlife populations are the remaining handful of dedicated, hard working operators that continue to make a plan every day and survive under conditions that would cause most of us to simply give up.


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Quitting Zimbabwe and allowing it to be poached to scorched earth is not very bright. You eliminate a premium hunting country while we have lost Kenya and Botswana and Zambia is moodier that my ex-wife.

You punish people that have dedicated their lives the the Zim wildlife and hunting industry.

You throw the anti-hunting community an easy victory when they are kicking our ass every day.

Doesn't make much since when put up against your vague moral reasoning.

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There is a way to end all this nonsense. Stop booking hunts in Zimbabwe. I was there twice and have no plans to return. Any hunt company operator who doesn't have his money off shore is a fool. They should all pack it in and let him try to impose his fees on the crumbs that are left.




I do not agree with you for one minute!

There are a lot of very hard working, honest people, whose only livelihood is hunting.

Supporting them is more important than boycotting Mugabe.


Amen. The only thing preventing the complete decimation of Zimbabwe's wildlife populations are the remaining handful of dedicated, hard working operators that continue to make a plan every day and survive under conditions that would cause most of us to simply give up.


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Quitting Zimbabwe and allowing it to be poached to scorched earth is not very bright. You eliminate a premium hunting country while we have lost Kenya and Botswana and Zambia is moodier that my ex-wife.

You punish people that have dedicated their lives the the Zim wildlife and hunting industry.

You throw the anti-hunting community an easy victory when they are kicking our ass every day.

Doesn't make much since when put up against your vague moral reasoning.

Jeff


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Ceasing to book hunts into Zim will not only hurt those outfitters who are making a stand, but will quickly result in the complete annihilation of all wildlife through poaching.

Sorry but that's a short sighted view point IMO.
 
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Just returned from a great leopard hunt in Zimbabwe at Rifa Camp. Other than the normal being arrested for a loose registration ($20.00) sticker on the windscreen at one of the 30 plus road blocks to and from Harare life was good.

Elephant was poached on the second day but they had a chopper up trying to track the culprits down with boots on the ground. All to no avail.

We as everyone had a Game Scout with us who was very efficient and helpful.

It certainly in our opinion will serve absolutely no purpose to avoid Zimbabwe as a hunting destination. Even the "Police" who shook us down for the $20.00 were pleasant.

Interestingly the only problem we had was at a dinner when our Ph was asked what it was she did for a living by a born and raised resident of Zimbabwe responded that she was a licensed Zimbabwe PH. The extremely homely woman pondered that for a few seconds stroked her mustache took a few puffs on her electric cigarette and advised Tanya "that she hoped she died a very lingering death with severe arthritis". That lady was WHITE. We made no reply, just got up and left. Never in all the hunts we have done in Zimbabwe have we been spoken to in such a manner by one black.

We choose to thank and support the good people of Zimbabwe and without our support there will be no wildlife left there. We shall return for that reason. One day the government will change for the better hopefully. Plus in the event one is not deaf and blind you may have noticed the Government is not too spiffy here either.

Only our experience and opinion.


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That would have been a great question to ask.

I just did not want a confrontation at the table but just kept quiet.


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As for me, I will not spend another dollar there until they stop persecuting whites.


You are doing the same thing boycotting all the good people that are struggling to survive there.


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